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Glenn Beck pledges $50,000 to Immigrant family facing deportation.

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posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 05:02 PM
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Wait....asylum? From Germany?



I'm confused.




posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by links234
Wait....asylum? From Germany?



I'm confused.


See it's illegal in Germany to treat your kids like potted plants so they want to move to the US.



posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 07:10 PM
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so if these people can turn "home schooling' into a reason for asylum.. don't people from south of the border have better reasons than that?? I mean their country is overrun by drug cartels that don't mind laying waste to them.

that sounds like a more serious reason than "I CAN"T HOME SCHOOL MY KIDS"

Apparently glenn beck can only relate to first world problems.. which is why he would dish out cash for them and not cash for people who have real problems.



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian

So this excuse doesn't stand.


First, you guys are coining it as special treatment, and that is wrong since you really don't know and just assume. Are you suggesting that not a single Hispanic family has been treated the same way?
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posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian


Oh really, then where's your outrage? It's certainly not included in your outrage against hispanic immigrants in this country. The truth is, you do support special treatment for this family, and you don't want to be caught out having to explain yourself away for supporting them over non-white, non german and evangical groups seeking asylum in this country, so you pretend this isn't really your position, like all the other members are going to pretend here. Then we'll play another game of hide and seek on this board, because some people are too cowardly to fess up to their true positions.


The truth is you don't have a clue, Why should I care about one family when we can't control tens of millions. I have no outrage for either, but I do see a huge drain on our system because of all illegals.

My point is the outrage I see from many of you...

As I said I have none for either, but where are your posts in outrage on the 10 millions of Hispanics being harbored throughout the US?

Don't throw this on me I'm not the hypocrite here.



posted on Apr, 22 2013 @ 03:07 AM
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Not only is the premise of this thread race-baiting, it's also anti-Christian, and anti home-schooling. Where is the love of Europeans I thought the Left had? Where is the demand for the ACLU to defend the right of immigrants to stay regardless of their circumstances. Once again, the liberal left shows it's hypocrisy and double standard.



posted on Apr, 22 2013 @ 03:19 AM
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Gawd the right can be so dense sometimes.

The Op is about Glen Beck's double standard...white immigrants he is behind...brown ones he is not. I thought the OP was pretty damn simple myself.

The left are not for or against the family...it is not about what the left think..it is about Glen Beck's hypocrisy.

Said it twice...hopefully it gets through...doubt it.



posted on Apr, 22 2013 @ 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by kerazeesicko
Gawd the right can be so dense sometimes.

The Op is about Glen Beck's double standard...white immigrants he is behind...brown ones he is not. I thought the OP was pretty damn simple myself.

The left are not for or against the family...it is not about what the left think..it is about Glen Beck's hypocrisy.

Said it twice...hopefully it gets through...doubt it.



You all just down play anything that suits you....

So it is MANDATORY in Germany to put your kids in a private or state run school...I'll say it twice (like you) MANDATORY. So this means that if you can't afford a private school and it is against the law to home school, you are forced by Government to put your kids in a state run school every day against your will, they will physically force you to do their will.

Holly crap! If anyone put that same scenario on their kids here in America there would be an outrage not just across ATS but America itself, but then they are a German white family so it is joked about.

Oppression is oppression anyway you look at it, and Beck put 50k in a LEGAL FUND, I'll say it again.. LEGAL FUND... Not harboring illegals, not paying for them to live here, but something within our laws, and so he is a hypocrite if he doesn't do that 20 million times over for all...give me a break.

There are a lot of people who come to America trying to avoid oppression and it seems in all your eyes that a person is a hypocrite if they legally try to help one family that is oppressed, but also disagrees with how open our borders are that 20 million people are totally undocumented and here illegally because of that.

We can go on for days as to the burden on society of 10s of millions of people living here undocumented. Being mostly Hispanics means nothing as to the problem. The problem is human trafficking, drugs, extremely poor living conditions, use of our limited social systems that takes away from Americans in need, filling our schools with children that should not be there, sucking that resource and creating extremely poor student to teacher ratios.

If we don't fix this in a legal way, such as securing our borders and creating a robust work visa program then the problem will continue. Immigration is great, America prospers with it, and I have a sister in law that has been waiting 7 years now, but the 10s of millions of undocumented illegals in our country today is unacceptable no matter how anyone feels about it.

If anyone of you felt connected for whatever reason to a family that was here illegally and you wanted to work within our laws to get them a green card all the power to you, and all the power to Beck if he feels connected through like Christian beliefs to a family and wants to do the same...



posted on Apr, 22 2013 @ 09:27 AM
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I find it interesting that you can home school in the UK, but not in Germany. I thought we were all part of a European Union, with a European court of human rights? I wonder why the Germans are so anti home schooling and families unable to use the European court of human rights for their grievance.

Interesting case.



posted on Apr, 22 2013 @ 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Well, I see your point then. I think it's obscene to abuse the asylum system so totally as to claim it for 'Educational Freedom'.


I personally think this is a very valid claim - if they are denied the right to educate their children as they see fit because where they live evidently the state doesn't respect a parent’s right to provide a religious based education in the home.

Germany is a Socialist State we all know - the parents feel persecuted based on their religious beliefs. Personally, if this were some LDS from Mexico under the same circumstances I'd still be on their side or even some Muslims from a nation who required a Christian based education.

As for the inconsequential nature of the persecution in ration to real persecution I'd say everything is relative.

Sure no one is going to kill them for their beliefs but they (German government) is threatening to take their parental rights away because they won't go along with the state's education and indoctrination program. I'd say that there are some things worse than death - taking my child from me would be one of those things. Especially, when it is clear they are not harming the children in any way.


Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Perhaps the children would learn far more with a tour of some of the darker corners of Africa, South America and Asia to see what life is like in nations the true asylum seekers originate from.


Perhaps, then again perhaps they'd just end up dead...


Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
As it is, the lesson seems to be ....when the going gets tough, don't try and change the causes ...just run somewhere that rules can be abused to accommodate an easier life.


To come to the US for the 90 days to escape the situation then file (albeit late) for asylum doesn't seem so heinous to me as all that. I mean to try and seize an opportunity to practice your religion as you see fit is a very prime motivator as far as the hierarchy of needs goes.

Personally, I don't have a problem with illegal immigrants in the US - it is a testament to the greatness of our nation that people strive to come here and are so desperate that they are willing to break the law to do so.

My problem is with the government for:

1) Not having a system that allows for reasonable immigration of otherwise law abiding citizens from other nations to fill necessary (even if unskilled) labor positions in America. We do have a program for skilled workers which seems to work.

2) For having laws on the books and failing to enforce them. i.e. Sanctuary cites, etc. Why are these Mayors not subjected to the same level of Federal scrutiny as those States who said they were going to enforce the laws? It is in effect an Elected Official declaring - I will not enforce the law...

3) For not punishing employers who hire illegal immigrants enough to make it a sound deterrent.

4) For having so porous of a border that we really have no idea who is coming in for what purpose...

5) For having a system that soaks the American taxpayer to finance the education and medical care for non-citizens and illegal immigrants. Legal residency and citizenship should be required for every governmental agency from driver’s licenses to school enrollment and every program in between.

I signed the White House petition for this family to get asylum - at least they will not be government dependant drones...



posted on Apr, 22 2013 @ 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
Yay! Another conservatives are racist thread.

Who didn't see this coming?



This crap is pathetic race bating garbage.

-Hispanic Conservative


Keep loving and supporting the people that hate you man. I'm sure they get a good chuckle out of it when you stand up in their defense.



posted on Apr, 22 2013 @ 11:50 AM
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Lol I'm glad to see that the Right Wing conservatives are coming out in droves to defend these illegal immigrants that have over stayed their visa and are here in the country illegally.

You all just prove the point of my O.P. Everyone has a problem with Illegals but only if they come from the Southern border. If they are White, Evangelical Christians from a European country then its perfectly fine. If they are indeed granted asylum then we can't deny asylum to people that are fleeing the cartel violence in Mexico or other Latin American country.

Thank you all for proving the point I was trying to make in my O.P.



posted on Apr, 24 2013 @ 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
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Well, I see your point then. I think it's obscene to abuse the asylum system so totally as to claim it for 'Educational Freedom'. Perhaps the children would learn far more with a tour of some of the darker corners of Africa, South America and Asia to see what life is like in nations the true asylum seekers originate from. As it is, the lesson seems to be ....when the going gets tough, don't try and change the causes ...just run somewhere that rules can be abused to accommodate an easier life.

Yes, when taken with the asylum basis? I had a feeling I'd end up agreeing with you on this one. Beck does need to be a WHOLE lot more careful about ethics or values that adapt to context and details of who is at the middle of a story. It makes it flat out impossible to debate the serious issues of illegal immigration and be taken seriously in even a passing way.


Thank you for proving that race does indeed matter, and trumps everything else.



posted on Apr, 24 2013 @ 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by muse7
Lol I'm glad to see that the Right Wing conservatives are coming out in droves to defend these illegal immigrants that have over stayed their visa and are here in the country illegally.

You all just prove the point of my O.P. Everyone has a problem with Illegals but only if they come from the Southern border. If they are White, Evangelical Christians from a European country then its perfectly fine. If they are indeed granted asylum then we can't deny asylum to people that are fleeing the cartel violence in Mexico or other Latin American country.

Thank you all for proving the point I was trying to make in my O.P.


What? That Caucasian peoples have an inherent right to their own survival and that people like you are trying to and advocating for the genocide of Caucasian peoples?



posted on Apr, 24 2013 @ 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by votan
so if these people can turn "home schooling' into a reason for asylum.. don't people from south of the border have better reasons than that?? I mean their country is overrun by drug cartels that don't mind laying waste to them.


The Mexican drug cartels are not the government of Mexico.

Living in a nation with a high crime rate is not a pretext for asylum because it is not the government of the country that is oppressing the people. Therefore it is presumed that the people still have some recourse in that government and the system of normal laws within the nation.

Do you seriously not see the difference between the two?

Also, a nation generally having a lower standard of living, less employment opportunities and or different labor practices are not reasons for asylum. These are not government sponsored intrusions on human rights. The people, again have recourse through the government for the redress of their grievances.

However, in this case the family in question has nowhere else to turn - they cannot practice their religion as they see fit because it is the government who insists that they must send their children to public school. There no recognized body to whom they can apply for redress of this volition of their right.

I am personally for immigration (legal immigration) I don't care if one is of European decent, African or one of the nations South of the border... Asylum is for cases in which the person fleeing the nation feels that they have no other recourse within the scope of the laws of the nation from which they are fleeing. They feel that their lives or rights are in danger if they return...

Like I said before there are some things worse than death - having one's children taken by the state is pretty far up there on that list for most people.

I own a dairy. I hired a herd manager from Mexico and helped him with all the necessary paperwork for his work visa and since his naturalization as well. He brought his wife and 3 kids, he has become a very good friend to me and I love his children as I do my own. They are all now American citizens as well. America is the land of opportunity - to violate the law and come here illegally is not a good way to start one's quest for self improvement.



posted on Apr, 24 2013 @ 11:19 PM
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ATS sticking up and defending white Christian illegal immigrants.....how surprising.

Bunch of hypocrites.

Like I've said in multiple threads...none of you would be complaining if the immigrants were white Canadians.



posted on Apr, 24 2013 @ 11:29 PM
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You know white people, the most racist of the bunch.


Seeking asylum for educational purposes, ehhh, I'm not so sure about that. Fear of genocide from a government that turns the other way? Yup, The largest influx of asylum seekers into the U.S. should be South Africans. Period.



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 12:39 AM
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Originally posted by Golf66
I personally think this is a very valid claim - if they are denied the right to educate their children as they see fit because where they live evidently the state doesn't respect a parent’s right to provide a religious based education


Firstly, there are plenty of religious schools in Germany, so the law regarding home schooling in Germany is not targeted toward any one religion. This family is not fleeing religious persecution.

Secondly, compared to needy families out there with real issues who require asylum (many of whom are not white, sorry to burst the bubble for some) this family doesn't have a case. To start they are from Germany (part of the EU where borders are open etc), it is one of the most developed countries. Neighboring Germany is France, another developed country, where their home school laws may verywell be abit more liberal. You have the United Kingdom as well, where their laws would take to accepting the choices of this family. So leaving Germany to settle in another suitable country, without a need of seeking asylum, is very much an option for them. Many families are not as fortunate as them.

You know what, I'm not even sure why they could not simply legally immigrate? Considering the country they were from, they'd be top on the list. So, there's no legitimate reason they require asylum or protection of some sort.


Germany is a Socialist State we all know - the parents feel persecuted based on their religious beliefs.


What does socialism have to do with religious and social persecution?? Socialism is an economic system. What are you on about? What are you reading??


1) Not having a system that allows for reasonable immigration


No, your real problem is that you're not seeing enough brown people being huddled into trucks, this is your real problem, and this is the problem with the people listening to Glen Beck's nonsense. There are plenty of families who have gone through real problems, issues, real persecution, only to find themselves deported, and we don't hear a sound from those individuals whining about this family not being granted automatic asylum. Fortunately most people aren't so behind the times.



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 12:54 AM
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Awful lot of assumptions about what I believe...

To be honest you have no idea what I think.



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 12:54 AM
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Double


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