Originally posted by redtic
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by neo96
They were celebrating the fact that they were able to leave their homes and walk the streets.
They were celebrating the fact that the authorities deemed it safe enough for the people to have their rights back.
They were chanting and shouting and thanking the people who took away their rights.
They were thanking the 9000 who forced them to stay at home and not work or go out or to travel.
They were thanking the ones who traded their freedom for security.
(If you haven't figured it out by now, I'm very disappointed in Boston and Watertown right now)
Oh, christ, don't be so dramatic. Tell me, what should they have done so the good people of Boston didn't have to "trade their freedom for security"? How would your solution to all this have played out? What I see here was an extraordinary response to an extraordinary situation - if this was happening on a daily basis, which it's not, then I'd be concerned. In the scenario that played out, no other innocents lost their lives and the suspect was caught alive - best possible outcome.
I thought it was because of the North Hollywood shootout ?
So much money has gone into armoring and arming local law-enforcement since 9/11 that the federal government could have rebuilt post-Katrina New Orleans five times over and had enough money left in the kitty to provide job training and housing for every one of the record 41,000-plus homeless people in New York City. It could have added in the growing population of 15,000 homeless in Philadelphia, my hometown, and still have had money to spare. Add disintegrating Detroit, Newark and Camden to the list. Throw in some crumbling bridges and roads, too.
Are we safer now that before?
we still have our borders wide open, so that is a good indication that security is not what the government is after.
Originally posted by TheHonestMan
This thread is absolutely ridiculous. Does anyone that posted in here actually live in Boston and know first hand what happened? Or is everyone just jumping to conclusions based on the bits and pieces that they've heard?
First off, I live in Back Bay about a 5-10 minute walk from the site of the bombings. My office is literally across the street from the area that is still closed for investigation. Yes, the area may have looked like martial law for the past few days, but it was far from it. The police/soldiers were there to prevent another attack - not take away people's rights. They did not stop, question, or search anyone. I walked by dozens of officers everyday, and they never once interacted with me. That's no where near martial law, so stop the exaggerations and drama.
Secondly, the governor did request people to still indoors on Friday in all of Boston, as they did not know where the suspect was at that time. This was a request not a demand. Taxi service was still running for people who needed to travel. Let's stop pretending that people were forced to stay indoors. As for the searches of homes in Watertown, I would believe that everyone voluntarily complied to assist in the capture of the suspect. The individuals in that area knew how dangerous the suspect was from the incident that occurred earlier in the morning.
I've seen many posts talk about how it was 9,000 officers vs. just one 19 year old. They always tend to leave out the fact that this 19 year old was heavily armed. Over 200 rounds were fired in Watertown very early Friday morning. I was listening to the police scanner and the officers reported explosives/grenades being thrown at them during the chase. An MIT officer was killed, and an MBTA officer was severely injured and still in critical condition. This "19 year old" was extremely dangerous, and the large number of officers was a precaution to help prevent another innocent person from dying.
The cheers of "USA" was for the first responders putting their lives on the line and working tirelessly for nearly 24 hours.
Overall, I did not have to sacrifice 1 single right during this past week. The situation was nowhere near martial law. Yes, the number of police and soldiers was increased in the area in case of another attack. Not quite sure how that equates to forfeiting our rights. Again - if you weren't there to experience it, you really have no idea what you're talking about.edit on 20-4-2013 by TheHonestMan because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by neo96
Originally posted by Moshpet
reply to post by neo96
What you are missing,is a sense of ready closure. Unlike 9_11, there is someone to bring to trial .
And the sense of real justice being attainable.
Your mileage may vary.
Comparing the Boston bombing to 9-11 is premature as previously stated no one knows the motivation behind it.
Yep opinions do vary with mileage.
The brothers shot and killed a college security officer, carjacked an SUV and hurled explosives at police in Watertown, Mass., authorities said.
NBC News learned that counterterrorism officials were examining possible links between the brothers and the Islamic Jihad Union of central Asia, a terrorist group.
More than 1,000 FBI agents were last night working to track down the cell and arrested a man and two women 60 miles from Boston in the hours before Dzhokhar’s dramatic capture after a bloody shootout on Friday.
“They were too advanced. Someone gave the brothers the skills and it is now our job to find out just who they were. Agents think the sleeper cell has up to a dozen members and has been waiting several years for their day to come.”
A specialist team of CIA and FBI interrogators was yesterday flown to a Boston hospital to grill wounded Dzhokhar, 19, about the secret group. The University of Massachusetts student was caught on Friday after hiding out in a boat parked in a garden in locked down Watertown the day after a gun battle with police left his 26-year-old brother and a rookie cop dead.
Dzhokhar is said to have run his brother over as he escaped in a stolen car while Tamerlan lay handcuffed on the ground. They were carrying six bombs with them at the time, three of which exploded, as well as a handgun and rifle. The devices were thought to be pipe bombs.
Originally posted by Boston
"anyone that posted in here actually live in Boston" - yup im in Roslindale. and I could have Written exactly what you just did. I hate the drones, the street cameras, the patriot act, …. But what just happened in Boston was cops defending their city, just the way it should be.
I think we have “conspiratorial correctness” going on rather than “political correctness.” What people are implying just was not the case, it was the opposite.
When a guy is throwing hand grenades outside your house where your kids are, seeing 50 cop cars race down the street after him is not a government takeover, it’s what paying your taxes is for.
Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
The FBI investigated one of the brothers in 2011, and subsequently cleared they had their names,address's, and all the relevant info already in their database
Would not have taken too much to run it internally and go set up a search warrant and seize them both at home instead of panicking an entire city.edit on 20-4-2013 by neo96 because: (no reason given)
Then you are saying they should have arrested these two guys before the fact?
It seems like something from an old Russian spy movie but they are real.