Chinese Troops Intrude into Indian Territory in Ladakh

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posted on May, 2 2013 @ 10:52 AM
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Thanks for the updates. Fascinating situation. India needs to say to China "Look, we're 100% confident you're in our territory. Please leave by this date."

China doesn't want a war with India - they're just probing. India needs to be strong here. China won't go to war over this.




posted on May, 2 2013 @ 11:31 AM
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I wonder what would happen if the Mexican military set up encampments 19km inside the US territory..?

Or if an elite unit of French paratroopers decided to pitch tents on the British Isle of Wight?

I really don't think India should tolerate this, especially if Chinese officials won't even acknowledge the intrusion.

India should gather evidence of the exact positions of the incursion, of the repeated flag meetings ignored by the Chinese troops, and then present the evidence to the international community, along with a declaration of limited tactical military intent, before commencing a 48 hour countdown. Give the intruders 48 hours to cross back over the LAC, or they put themselves at risk of a precision lethal strike by the Indians, who would have legitimate justification for so doing in the eyes of the international community...



posted on May, 2 2013 @ 11:39 AM
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Trouble is, the above actions would likely escalate into full-blown war.

I can't see what the Chinese expect to achieve by this. A probe regarding response times would not need to last this long. Are they willing to allow their troops to die without retribution, just to save the humiliation of being forced to retreat? They know that India won't tolerate a protracted adjustment to the de facto LAC, and so eventually India will strike. If that happens, it would eventually lead to awful large scale conflict if the Chinese were to launch retaliatory strikes.

So either China is sacrificing these troops to determine Indian resolve, or they are crafting a means to intensify their military presence at their borders, or they are actually angling for a full-blown conflict with India.

With the build-up of troops at the NoKo border, I suppose they might be crafting a means to secure borders they think are at risk if some sort of global conflict were to erupt.



posted on May, 3 2013 @ 06:48 AM
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Indian officials fear that if they react with force, the face-off could escalate into a battle with the powerful People's Liberation Army. But doing nothing would leave a Chinese outpost deep in territory India has ruled since independence.


We will try all the option before going WAR .this is the same what pakistan does in 1999 that resulted a major War

In our Situation all of the Diplomatic options are failed..So soon India start the retaliation aganist the intruders ..and this will make Full flege of war between Two countries and some Studies claim the worst war can happen if Chinese can't pull back




"If they have come 19 kilometers into India, it is not a minor LAC violation. It is a deliberate military operation. And even as India protests, more tents have come up," said Sujit Dutta, a China specialist at the Jamia Milia Islamia university in New Delhi.


within two years India can match China in every Field ..before achiveing this goal China had a Last option to Stopping India's Growth




From what I have read India has a weak government already with deep mistrust and divisions between the military hawks and their elected officials.


True ..This is what India lacked with other Countries ..The govt failed in many ways the Pm and Cabinet members are accused of 2G scam Coal scam beheading soldiers ..and Rapes in Delhi killed of a Indian Prisoner in Pakistan and too many issues

even this matter our PM said it's local issue can solved easily

simply Indians have no hope in our Govt




.This may get the Indian government off it's butt for modernization of their military; if they can find the money or get the loans.


India advancing in Military field after the attacks of 26/11 ..



posted on May, 3 2013 @ 06:52 AM
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India needs to say to China "Look, we're 100% confident you're in our territory. Please leave by this date." China doesn't want a war with India - they're just probing. India needs to be strong here. China won't go to war over this.


China needs India to stop constructing Fortification along the Border that's the Main reason said by the last Flag meeting ..And India declined China's option



posted on May, 3 2013 @ 07:00 AM
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I wonder what would happen if the Mexican military set up encampments 19km inside the US territory..?

Or if an elite unit of French paratroopers decided to pitch tents on the British Isle of Wight?

I really don't think India should tolerate this, especially if Chinese officials won't even acknowledge the intrusion.


India looking for Diplomatic option to solve this issue..If failed we can see the Action ..till now all the diplomatic options are failed ..soon we will see the end




India should gather evidence of the exact positions of the incursion, of the repeated flag meetings ignored by the Chinese troops, and then present the evidence to the international community, along with a declaration of limited tactical military intent, before commencing a 48 hour countdown. Give the intruders 48 hours to cross back over the LAC, or they put themselves at risk of a precision lethal strike by the Indians, who would have legitimate justification for so doing in the eyes of the international community...


they are within our Territory even they will also accepts this ..some times they say we will pull back if India stop constructing fortification along border some times This is normal patrol held by PLA and they are within our Territory

During the three flag meet china need India stop constructing fortification along border and India declined that's why the Flag meetings are failed

48 hours oh god they are here last 17 days ..and Please refer my last posts why India can't step up till now



posted on May, 3 2013 @ 07:06 AM
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Beijing as foreign ministry of communist regime refused to confirm the scheduled visit of Union External Affairs minister Salman Khurshid second time in a week.



Three flag meetings, or army-to-army contact between the nuclear-armed neighbours have failed to resolve the stand-off.


China refuses to confirm Khurshid's visit

India had a final diplomatic is MEA visit to China on may 7 ..I think it's going like caos


So any time India can Kick Chinese a$$



posted on May, 3 2013 @ 07:06 AM
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Beijing as foreign ministry of communist regime refused to confirm the scheduled visit of Union External Affairs minister Salman Khurshid second time in a week.



Three flag meetings, or army-to-army contact between the nuclear-armed neighbours have failed to resolve the stand-off.


China refuses to confirm Khurshid's visit

India had a final diplomatic is MEA visit to China on may 7 ..I think it's going like caos


So any time India can Kick Chinese a$$



posted on May, 3 2013 @ 10:13 PM
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Army offers options to force China hand


the Army on Wednesday suggested tough measures after UAV images captured in the past one week showed that the Chinese have started to convert a kutcha track into a pucca road, near the site of the intrusion in Northern Ladakh.

Army has asked the Government to take counter-measures like choking the supply lines of the Chinese troops, resuming aggressive patrolling and setting up temporary posts in some other disputed territory along the Line of Actual Control (LAC).

At present, the 40-odd Chinese troops and an equal number of Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) and Ladakh Scouts are in a stand-off 100 metres from each other. India has rejected the Chinese proposal to increase the gap between the face-off site to ease tension.


Now India beef up it's Border with possible war with Chinese

Border alert in Arunachal - Call for vigil after Ladakh incursion


An alert has been sounded and vigil heightened along the Sino-Indian border, especially in Arunachal Pradesh, after China blocked Indian security forces’ access to three of the five patrol points in the Depsang plains in Ladakh.



Eye on China, India holds talks with US, Japan


The United States, India, and Japan held their fourth trilateral dialogue here on Wednesday, discussing among other issues, greater security cooperation at a time all three countries are facing what they perceive to be an increasingly belligerent China



I don't know why India Still waiting for ..!!!



posted on May, 3 2013 @ 10:46 PM
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India is facing the world's 3rd greatest military power (doesnt matter which is india because the gap is SO HUGE the tar-21s you ordered from israel will not make a difference), which btw is the world first (right now as new studies come to surface) in drone warfare itching to test their new toys (what you think they only have the stolen predators?), their air force alone can put india's air force to shame, same applies to the navy, plus... india always has pakistan at her throat and has no possibly of fighting in two fronts (let alone winning them)... and you wonder what is india waiting for?

India is in a really tough spot. China alone is WAY stronger than India. I hope you know that. And pakistan is not wasting that _.. ISI must have their ears burning by now.

This is a very good opportunity for China to make a name for herself in the global military scene and have a go at a place close to the US and Russia. Of course China will need more, but India is a very good start. Take a look at the US and Russia, they started great also! India is not such a GREAT start, but hey, times are different and India suits their purpose also.

And after this comes all the deals they've made last april with Putin... that includes arms trade going back to 1990s levels, and there are rumours of the su-35 coming to china... so great sino-russian alliance possibly to come after this Indian pebble-fight.

China is aiming really high and going all in this decade it seems. Maybe 2020 will be chinese.

If war breaks out between China and India... India will need a lot of luck. (luck here ofc means US lol since everyone goes running back to the US to see if they dont get their ass kicked... its getting ridiculous... one of these days the US says ENOUGH! and pulls out and you all chicken-sh**s just die of scare alone, you dont need enemies to kill you, the scare of not having the big brother and having to fend for yourselves will kill you of heart attack or something lol)

EDIT: "India holds talks with US" MOMMYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY... can I laugh now?

The US is now the proud owner of... a kindergarten! Everyone runs to them with their personal crap while the us has their personal crap to take care of inside their own border. Do they care? No. They care about their own personal feuds and the US has to take care of all these idiots like they're 5 year-olds. No. let them shoot themselves. Maybe darwin is right... we wont know until we try it aye?
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posted on May, 3 2013 @ 11:26 PM
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Makes me wonder if China is doing this intentionally,to force/manipulate a mutual defence pact between the USA and India
It is my belief China and the US are two heads of the same snake.



posted on May, 3 2013 @ 11:28 PM
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India should offer US an airbase 100 km from the northern borders. All the tension will ease right away. Commies will gladly go back to their mommies.........alive and well.



posted on May, 4 2013 @ 05:08 AM
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India is facing the world's 3rd greatest military power (doesnt matter which is india because the gap is SO HUGE the tar-21s you ordered from israel will not make a difference),


and Remember we are Fourth..more worthy is our Supersonic Brahmos cruise missile ill make a difference



which btw is the world first (right now as new studies come to surface) in drone warfare itching to test their new toys (what you think they only have the stolen predators?),

Really I know that our reconnaissance flights are quite advanced than chinese once ..and everyone one Knows here how's about Made in China Products


their air force alone can put india's air force to shame, same applies to the navy,


Nope we have plenty of highly advanced Su 30MKI combination of Indo Russian France Israeli components can easily chase down the chinese su 30mkk and Remember we have Briev A50 Phalcon AWACS which is the best one in class flying over Asian ..and Navy everyone of our Ships are comes from Russia and components from France and add the latest P8I posiden too



plus... india always has pakistan at her throat and has no possibly of fighting in two fronts (let alone winning them)... and you wonder what is india waiting for?


we have thermonuclear device and ICBM Agni Missiles can wipe out Pakistan from the map..rest China is luck or leads to end of the world




India is in a really tough spot. China alone is WAY stronger than India. I hope you know that. And pakistan is not wasting that _.. ISI must have their ears burning by now.

several rebel groups also there like Naxals and Moists all over India can doa job for ISI ...but we will counter them with our RAW and IB




This is a very good opportunity for China to make a name for herself in the global military scene and have a go at a place close to the US and Russia


Chian trying to become a major Superpower after US ..but someone already replied copycat cannot become true superpower




And after this comes all the deals they've made last april with Putin... that includes arms trade going back to 1990s levels, and there are rumours of the su-35 coming to china... so great sino-russian alliance possibly to come after this Indian pebble-fight.


India get FGFA the Indian Version of T 50 ..they go for Su 35 and we have T 50 ..let come and Face IAF




If war breaks out between China and India... India will need a lot of luck.

They did the same in 1987 war..IA kicked their A$$ ..1987 Sino-Indian skirmish - Wikipedia,



India holds talks with US" MOMMYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY... can I laugh now?


a military excessive with US near the Border make a sense thats all

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posted on May, 4 2013 @ 05:16 AM
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India should offer US an airbase 100 km from the northern borders. All the tension will ease right away. Commies will gladly go back to their mommies.........alive and well.


we are not going to war against Russia to call up US for assist ...China is just a copy master our forces alone can fight with China

and we 121 crore civilians are ready to assist our Troops



posted on May, 4 2013 @ 11:49 AM
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What 1987? Those guys didnt even see combat. What "ass kicking"? You cant even call it a "skirmish"... name-calling at best. Some mothers got offended - thats all.

If you're so fond of time travel then see what the chinese did, the exact same place but in 1962. By the way, the Chinese won that one by a landslide while the world was busy with the cuban missile crisis - nobody gave a crap about india and india took a beating... today the world is busy with syria and iran and with the korea peninsula, the us is scattered allover the world and has its own problems to attend to - if something does happen, wanna bet?

Regarding the pak-fa vs su-35. Well first they're not in the same class and second the su-35 is available right now while the pak-fa is only for 2016 *best scenario* - the early bird catches the worm.

As far as nuclear capabilities - Well both have it seriously? Is everyone obsessed with nukes now? But regarding that, well China's capabilities makes India seem like a child's play - its not even fair to compare them.



posted on May, 4 2013 @ 12:45 PM
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If anyone takes into account and Indo-China war and refuses to include a second Indian front with Pak, then that person does not deserve to even discuss geo-politics. One to one, India might give China a serious stalemate, but in two front scenario it would be tough.

India does have a defense pact with Russia, but that does not oblige the Russians to come to help, only to come to consultations. This was made clear in Syrian scenario, they will come to consultations and then decide. Ask Russia to move out 5 divisions out of barracks in 1 day and Russia would not be able to do that. Not asking to bring 5 divisions from Moscow to Siberia but only asking to move them out of the barracks to say 10 km distance. Russians are grossly ill prepared to provide any help other than political and some supply based.

China does have atleast two J-20s i.e. Stealth planes. They also have 400 quality planes vrs India's 300 quality types. Indians have taken too much time to buy and bring Rafaels and their arms industry is nearly useless in that their Light Plane on the lines of F-16s has not hit the production lines even after 25 years. I doubt that Indian Army has even 1 million AK-47s for its soldiers or appropriate number of winter gear to fight for long on higher altitudes.

Su-35s are not available even for Russian Air Force and 35s are only a minor upgrade over MKIs that Indians have.

Two front scenario will be overwhelming for India. If nothing else, Indians should make China specific defense pact with Japan and US. This means in the event China fights with either, all the three will come to each other's help. This will not offend Russians as they do not have any pact with China and are losing land to Chinese encroachment every year.

Time to squeeze China and radical Islam. Commies and fanatics have no place in the modern world.
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posted on May, 4 2013 @ 01:15 PM
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Time out call. Let's calm down, be rational and think issues through to find the correct path and solutions.

1. The China Maoist faction in power, which may include President Xi himself as a presumbly Maoist centre right, had only shown their actions and with much analyzing, they are predictable and can be read like a book.

They are only adopting Mao's techniques, to be BRAZEN and occupy as much terrrtory as possible and silently hope no fights break out, with the occupied in fear of war and China's might.

They had been doing it for decades after being embolden in Tibet, with the then new UN council 'looking the other way', and are now doing in Africa, South China Sea, and the lastest victim India.


2. The BORDER between China and India had LONG been in dispute, and NEVER rectified in UN, agreed by all parties.

And thus, the chinese Maoists brazeness right now, to grab as much land as possible, for China Maoist are forever land and resource hungry. It is their mindset and their only religion, as they had been warped by poverty and persecuation back in the 1920s, passed down to new generations.

The Maoists will continue to cross the border and into the heartlands of India, so long as Indian leaders and human rights decievers fool the masses that war is imminent if India does not back down.

May India not finally wake up, say enough is enough and make a stand - from Sri Lanka when China's Maoists leaders had walked right up to the southern tip of the Indian penninsula without a shot being fired, thanks to pacifism and stupid fears.

There is no need for war. Neither China nor India needs or want wars. This is nothing more than a chess game play, to see who blinks first and ACT STUPIDLY.

All India needs to do is to RAISE HUE & CRY at UN and world whom are now bogged down by Syria, Boston, Europe and NK to notice. Create awareness and gain support, to FORCE the Maoists to sit down at UN to finally agree to the border lines.

China will have to do so, as they are not fools and do not see the big picture.

They don't need wars, because of the costs and instability it brings, and stability is what it needs right now with an angry population affected by the atrocious income gap and vast corruption from the leaders. There is no telling who may seize such opportunities to overthrow the Maoist regime. Overthrowing Emperors is a fave past time of the chinese anyway.

Futhermore, they know ECONOMICS is the only way it can hope to alleviate the sufferings, pain and dissatisfaction of the angry masses. India is a better trade partner than a long lasting war enemy, fighting in a war both can't win, and neither can China fight the rest of the world alone if it thinks BULLYING its way through the use of FEAR will gain them terrorities.

When push comes to shove - it will not be China's 1.3 billion agains the world. IT will only be 80million CCP card waving party members against at least 3 billion of mankind prepared to fight.

The RULE of international law must prevail for all nations sharing our world, regardless of how poor or rich they are, for without rules of law, we mankind will only regress back to the jungles surviving on jungle laws, with each nation doing as they wish, and is only a matter of quick time when we this generation finally screws and destroy each other in one great bang.

China knows that as well, as is only pushing their luck. They can be FORCED to the table. They have obvious weaknesses and not as high and mighty as the fearful think.

Good luck to our fellow human brothers and sisters in India.



posted on May, 4 2013 @ 05:10 PM
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I will not insist in the pakistan theory anymore since our friend there doesnt even acknowledge them as a threat.

More important than the SUs is probably the new drone tech that china is itching to test - since latest studies have proven that china all of a sudden is probably the most advanced country in the world when it comes to drone warfare.

Regardless... I dont think the US should babysit for everyone. And India is not worth it considering what could come out of it and the other hot spots the US is currently involved in. I'm sorry but those microsoft call-centers arent worth that much of a hassle and besides could actually be moved back to the US to help create jobs for americans.
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posted on May, 4 2013 @ 07:17 PM
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You indians do not like think strategically it seems! Involvement of Pak will not only open a second front it will also invite lots of men and material from other Islamic nations. At the time when Indian Air Force is streched beyond limits, another one or two squadrons of F16s from Turkey or Saudi will be a game changer.

Guess your defense high commanders also think like that and that is why no solid preps for a two front war. Indians make pathetic military men and minds as seen from last 20 years of 'this and that' failures at the time of need.
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posted on May, 4 2013 @ 09:15 PM
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Please re-read my posts - I'm not defending India - quite the opposite really.





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