Chinese Troops Intrude into Indian Territory in Ladakh

Originally posted by pacifier2012

Originally posted by SloAnPainful
China is acting like America. They're starting to go where they please.

-SAP-

edit on 19-4-2013 by SloAnPainful because: (no reason given)

Well the USA did displace every single native american from his historical homeland...so yes, America does what it pleases.

Not all.....but not taking away from your point.

Originally posted by Flavian


Part of me thinks India should do the same thing and put some Observation Tents up in Chinese Territory but you never know with China - it may end up with a totally over the top response.

Not that i am pro violence but if they are in Indian territory, what is to stop India killing (or arresting) them? Surely they are an invading force under any International Laws? Couple of airstrikes, problem solved.

Another round of Flag meeting is scheduled on Friday ..that's makes decision whether peace or clash ..because they are already passed 10 days in our Territory

and India Strongly says there is no withdrawal of Border developments

maybe we will wait for till Friday

Originally posted by Freeborn
I've always thought that the India / China / Pakistan border issues are one of the most volatile ongoing disputes and a potential flashpoint that could have far reaching global implications.

I genuinely feel that one of these regular border tiffs could escalate into something far worse - I hope I'm wrong and common sense prevails.

I do not think it will for one very addictive reason - development.

Both India and China are in far better places in terms of economics, standards of living, global power, etc, etc than ever before in their respective histories. And all projections only show this continuing to get better and better for them as the years go by.

I am not explaining this well so lets look at China, as an example. The Party Leadership all like shiny new cars, they like Ipads, Iphones, foreign holidays, foreign shopping trips, basically everything that is available in Modern life. Why would they risk all of that when it has only just become available? When you haven't had things available for decades and then they suddenly become freely available, populations are generally loathe to give them up again.

For this reason, India - China will never escalate into major open conflict. As nuclear powers, they both cancel each other out and they each now this.

These current tensions are all to do with gunboat diplomacy which the Chinese currently appear to have reverted to. It is basically playing International hard ball so future negotiations. It is for this reason i think India should do exactly the same thing - cross the border and set up manned Observation Posts. If that makes sense?

The Third fag meeting is today officials thinks this should fails ..and Indian MEA minister scheduled to go china for peace talks and Border disputes may 2nd week and the first time Chinese President come to India in May last week this is all scheduled before the incident ..

if this peace talks fails Indian Army should take Military action against it's aggressors ..


And Indian Army gives it's plans of attack intruders to the National Security Advisor ..if peace talks fails we should consider Military action NSA says

Border battalions in 'alert and ready to move' mode - The New Indian Express

tensions arising Indian Side ...

as per the govt report Submitted on Indian Parliament Yesterday

Chinese troops have pitched tents 19 kms deep inside the Indian territory in Ladakh region of Jammu and Kashmir.and they also get supply from Chinese choppers two days ago after established the tent

Still China aggressive, India watchful


Yesterday there is a Flag meeting was scheduled But I have no news About it...If I get credible news I will Post em

The third flag meeting was called off by Indian Army .the govt says there is no talks till the Indian External affairs ministers trip into china scheduled May 7 ..

India deploy's it's medium size fighters Mig 21 and Jaguar and fixed wing helo Mi 17 into the Advanced landing ground in Ladakh and IAF prepared and Re activated this airfield to take off and land AN 32 and C 130 ..while the AN 32 performs Take off and Landing in the ALG ladakh near to Beng oldi where chinese tent ..

India also deploy's it's gurellia team into the place ...

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Do the Indians have someone named Ferdinand? Man I so hope not.

Links

Indian analysts say a Chinese intrusion could be a response to New Delhi’s drive to step up road-building near their de facto border to ferry Indian troops and counter China’s build-up of military infrastructure.

Also, this might be payback from China in regards to India's supports to Vietnam a few months back in the South China Sea.

If only these two giants to work together for the betterment of their own people instead of falling into some Anglo's traps.

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If only these two giants to work together for the betterment of their own people instead of falling into some Anglo's traps.

How on earth do you come to the opinion that this involves 'Anglo's' in any way?

'Anglo's' are NOT repsonsible for all the disputes that occur in the world.

Aome people.

Originally posted by SloAnPainful
China is acting like America. They're starting to go where they please.

-SAP-

edit on 19-4-2013 by SloAnPainful because: (no reason given)

This, and someone should tell them they cant, only America can do that.

Union Home Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde on Saturday said that the incursion by the Chinese troops in the Ladakh region in Jammu and Kashmir would be decided during the Flag Officers meeting of both the armies

Sushilkumar Shinde expects Flag Officers meet to resolve Chinese incursion issue

But India canceled the last flag meeting ..and our Union Minister says Flag meeting can resolve ..but Army offcials are not Interested in Flag meetings

In an unprecedented and uncharacteristic move, India's air-defence swung into action by activating an air-strip near the Actual Line of Control at the Indo-China Border. A fighter aircraft landed at the strip with three top officials of the Indian Air Force. The historic flight by Group Captain, SC Chafekar; AN-32 of 48 Squadron, popularly known as the ’Camels’, landed at Daulat Beg Oldie the highest landing airstrip in the world at 16,200 feet (4,960) metres after 43 years,

India prepares for offensive against China - CNN iReport


India done it ..but not looking into strike ..pls refer my last post

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thanks for the constant updates! It's hardly being reported here in Europe

Chinese troops erect fifth tent in Ladakh, deploy dogs

they also established road links in the DBO region where they intrude ...they picted two more tents in that plce ...and Still our govt watching and waiting for May 7 ( MEA visit to China )..not only the current Govt getting more pressure of Scam than the China issue

China's submarines in Indian Ocean worry Indian Navy was reported 7, April 2013

China has set up a network of ports/facilities in Bangladesh (Chittagong), Myanmar (Sittwe and Coco Island), Sri Lanka (Hambantota), Pakistan (Gwadar) and has also secured docking rights in Seychelles, in what some describe as the culmination of the ‘String-of-Pearls’ strategy.

www.hindustantimes.com... which has a pretty good article about the subs.

The tents and subs are a form of probing to intimidate and gather response times along with intent from the government of India. Also with radio intercepts from satellites and airborne receivers much of India's command structure locations can be determined and mapped for a surgical strike if the occasion should arise every time they transmit.. Just my humble opinion and I do hope it is all just posturing.

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by mypan

 

If only these two giants to work together for the betterment of their own people instead of falling into some Anglo's traps.

How on earth do you come to the opinion that this involves 'Anglo's' in any way?

'Anglo's' are NOT repsonsible for all the disputes that occur in the world.

Aome people.

Plueeze...Those border were drawn by whom? There was no India as a nation when those borders were drawn and there was no Pakistan under the British Raj. This is unfinished Great Game from century past and only India seems to be the only nation to feel happy for their ex colonists to walk all over them. Some of them even called themselves anglowallah.

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Plueeze...Those border were drawn by whom?

Indians in their independance negotiations.

There was no India as a nation when those borders were drawn

And if Indians had wanted to go back to those pre-Raj days they could quite easily have re-drawn their own internal borders or devolved into seperate naition states etc in the 60+ years they have been independant - that they haven't suggests that the majority of Indians are quite happy with the current situation - if they aren't it is up to them to do something about it.

and there was no Pakistan under the British Raj.

So what?

There was no Pakistan in post-independance India - that there is now is proof that changes to these borders and nationality are a sub-continent matter and NOT subject to 'Anglo' wishes etc.

This is unfinished Great Game from century past

This is a matter between China and India - that you choose to apportion blame for this dispute on 'Anglo's' suggests both paranoia and a certain level of bigotry together with possibly a refusal to accept any level of self-responsibility.

and only India seems to be the only nation to feel happy for their ex colonists to walk all over them

I fail to see how this border dispute has anything to do with the 'ex-colonists' [sic].

. Some of them even called themselves anglowallah.

I really can't be arsed to have the discussion here about the pro's and con's of The British Empire and Raj or Anglophiles in India, start a thread on it and I'd gladly contribute, but I really would like you to explain in a clear and reasoned manner how and why you think these border disputes are anything to do with 'Anglo's'.

Originally posted by SajeevJino

Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
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Ah,they will be after the alleged Ladakh UFO base...
Sightings of UFOS:
indiatoday.intoday.in...

Info on UFO base:
www.ufodigest.com...

Humanoids in area:
www.thetruthbehindthescenes.org...

Hey,it is ATS after all.

Our Forces hunt them down ..after all we Know that aliens are Chinese

Bit racist calling aliens Chinese don't you think?

yesterday Ministry of Defence conducted high level meeting in New delhi with top Military chiefs including Tri service chiefs the National Security advisor and the Defence Minister ..they also discussed various of Military and diplomatic option against china

Today the Army chief briefed in Indian Parliament what is the real situation and what we have done against the Intruders

Yesterday China asked india to de activate it's ALG in Ladakh and India denied their option

Delhi spies airstrip design in China tents - Beijing sees threat in advanced landing strips in forward areas, seeks their closure

the situation heating up day by day ..I think India Should Consider Military Option against China

Army gives it's option to the Ministry of Defense ..They are ready for Full fledge war if not a small skirmish with the Intruders and India para-dropping it's elite Paratroopers near the Dault Beg Oldi region

These links explain the current Situation in DBO

Paradrop training along LAC to check China - Times Of India


Army Chief Advocates Military options against Chinese Troops

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I started to make a new thread simply because it really does look like things are heating up....acording to the yahoo article...
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Indian officials fear that if they react with force, the face-off could escalate into a battle with the powerful People's Liberation Army. But doing nothing would leave a Chinese outpost deep in territory India has ruled since independence.
QUOTE:
"If they have come 19 kilometers into India, it is not a minor LAC violation. It is a deliberate military operation. And even as India protests, more tents have come up," said Sujit Dutta, a China specialist at the Jamia Milia Islamia university in New Delhi.

"Clearly, the Chinese are testing India to see how far they can go," he said.

That is not China's stated view.
Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said Thursday that Chinese troops had been carrying out normal patrols and had not crossed the boundary.

"China is firmly opposed to any acts that involve crossing the Line of Actual Control and sabotaging the status quo," she said at a daily briefing in Beijing as she was repeatedly questioned about the dispute.

Hua said talks to defuse the dispute were ongoing and that it should not affect relations. "As we pointed out many times, the China-India border issue is one which was left over from the past. The two sides reached important consensus that this issue should not affect the overall bilateral relations," Hua said. END QUOTE:

From what I have read India has a weak government already with deep mistrust and divisions between the military hawks and their elected officials...Hopefully the billions in trade between these two giants will make both think before a bigger trigger event is reached. Either way the border incursion and double speak certainly got India's attention....This may get the Indian government off it's butt for modernization of their military; if they can find the money or get the loans..

P.S. I can not get either the A.P. article or Yahoo link to display correctly?