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reply posted on 6-11-2004 @ 06:59 AM by twitchy
Originally posted by Mainer
A second Civil War would have to be based somewhat on sociapolitical geography. Physlcal grouping would be important to any sort of mass movements. If you look at the electoral college mapping for the election there exists a segmentation to support the above:

2004 Division

I disagree. To confine the movement to geographical consideration is really to misunderstand the objectives, this isn't a geopolitical issue. This is about industrialism and its grip on our political institutions. The american civil war was clearly North vs South, however should such another event take place, it will not be so easily defined by any lines on a map. I would go so far as to speculate there would be more similarites to the Bolshevik movements in Czarist Russia than the American Civil War. Until Diebold and others involved in the election results are raked over the coals and exposed, I wouldn't trust any demographic representations of the sides to be taken in such an event.
As to a civil war being some kind of a purely liberal agenda, you may suprised at the various factions that would take an interest in such an event. What if it came out in the media that the elections were indeed rigged, can you imagine the outrage if the soverignty of a nation had been compromised by a select group of ultra rich? We are not the ruling class, yet we are the majority, and that alone deifes these grandoise principles that we have touted for so long. The Indutrial revolution was more of a revolution than you may be aware of. While most of tend to think of that as a broad and general term to describe the modernization of the western world, it was in fact, a true revolution. The soverignty of the american people was taken by the capitalists, and our system of government has failed to act in the interest of the people of this nation every since. The last I heard, the people hold a constitutional right to dissolve or abolish the governement when it fails to represent the interests of the people it governs. I am not advocating revolution, but I am saying that Uncle Sam is no longer a mandate of the people, and the people have a right, nay an obligation to change that. It doesn't matter if you are a conservative or a liberal, if you are rich, or if you are gay, what matters is the control of our political establishments are no longer answerable to the people, and have not been since the early 1900's.


reply posted on 6-11-2004 @ 05:34 PM by HarmoniusOne
Originally posted by twitchy Until Diebold and others involved in the election results are raked over the coals and exposed, I wouldn't trust any demographic representations of the sides to be taken in such an event........... We are not the ruling class, yet we are the majority, and that alone deifes these grandoise principles that we have touted for so long. ...................The soverignty of the american people was taken by the capitalists, and our system of government has failed to act in the interest of the people of this nation every since. The last I heard, the people hold a constitutional right to dissolve or abolish the governement when it fails to represent the interests of the people it governs. I am not advocating revolution, but I am saying that Uncle Sam is no longer a mandate of the people, and the people have a right, nay an obligation to change that. It doesn't matter if you are a conservative or a liberal, if you are rich, or if you are gay, what matters is the control of our political establishments are no longer answerable to the people, and have not been since the early 1900's.


Excellent!!! I agree with you on this. And so, again, the question needs to be answered....What do we do about this? Twitchy let's make this a hypothetical situation so the SS doesn't need to waste their time. Suppose you were to encourage a revolution. Where would you begin? And how would you go about organizing those who have similar feelings in our hypothetical situation? Since they are spread across the country, how does everyone get connected in order to make sure they are all working toward the same goal and within whatever guidelines are set?

Also...I think we should all just add the disclaimer "I am not advocating civil war" to our signatures so we don't have to keep saying it.

Edit: typos

[edit on 11/6/04 by HarmoniusOne]



reply posted on 7-11-2004 @ 06:17 AM by Psychoses
I get the picture that most of you imagine civil war as people running around with guns killing there fellow countrymen. In all honesty, I can't see that happening.

I also get the picture that a large percentage of Americans are not happy the the amount of corporate influence in your countries politics.

One scenario could be a civil war fought without suffering one casualty through violence. A civil war fought in the market place. It would simply be a matter examining the offending corporations and compiling a list of the products that they sell. Then all you would have to do is boycott their products. Corporations will realise that it is in fact the consumer that controls the marketplace, not them.

So if a company wants to sell/manufacture stuff, no worries. The moment that company tries to get any influence in the political arena, they go on the list which means they suffer. Lets face it, money makes the world go round and if you cut off their supply, they'd be stuffed. What are they going to do? They can't force you to buy their products. Now I'm not saying you should stop spending money altogether, just be more conscientious about who your hard earned dollars go to .

If 60 million Americans got together, they would be a financial force indeed. At the very least, you would knock these corporate giants down a peg or two. At the best you would remove corporate influence altogether so politicans could start thinking of ways to help the community rather than trying to figure out how they can make more profits for the shareholders.

Like I said, this is only a scenario.
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