**Civil War Watch**, page 3
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reply posted on 4-11-2004 @ 09:23 AM by mrdependable
Nobody knows if we will see a civil war here or not. However the probability of a civil war in the near term just lifted somewhat. I don't kow the exact forumula to a civil war but it seems there are some volatile components that have just been thrown into the mix:

1) Bush now has the numbers to pass his agenda in the lower and upper house and the supreme court. At least half the population will be opposed to his agenda and we will almost certainly see protests in the streets the next 4 years. As we all know these start off peaceful and end up more and more violent.

2) From what I have been hearing Kerry supporters feel betrayed that Kerry gave up too quickly and are not prone to listen to his call for unity.

3) The divide between the haves and have nots is growing at a rapid pace.

This is what we have right now. I don't feel these alone would spark a civil war. However the igniting force may come from:

4) Massive civilian and US casulaties in Iraq.

5) Dow Jones dropping below 8000. From what I have been hearing this is no longer just an outside chance as money is pouring out of the country.

6) Oil at $70 per barrel.....thats around $2.70/80 for a gallon of gas for you and me.

These three elements are far from certain but if occur and are added to the first three existing elements may combine to form a ignitable combination.

Some highly unlikely but very combustable elements that may crop up are:

7) New evidence comes to light proving Bush and his team falsified reports to sway the US to come together to invade Iraq.

8) Evidence of electoral fraud is exposed.

These last 2 are remote at best but would do the most damage.

Lets keep an eye out if items 4-6 do in fact occur and we all need to be alarmed if 7-8 come to fruition.


reply posted on 4-11-2004 @ 11:20 AM by robertfenix
Whats funny is that I think most people are looking at the wrong precpective when they are thinking "civil war" in that the majority of the people will be attempting to overthrow/replace the current govermental system.

There is currently an active Anti-Bush/ Anti-War campaign going on in California. These people are going to start to piss off the average citizen whos children are fighting in Iraq currently BY Choice. They choose to be part of the armed services knowing they could go to war. In fact a HUGE enlistment roll occured after 9/11 by these very same men and women who wanted to do something, who wanted to fight for our Country, who wanted to fight for YOU. And now the people that they have put their lives on the line for are going to turn their backs and say Anti-War Anti-Bush WAR is WRONG and try and detere our Goverment from spending the needed funds to ensure our troops can win in Iraq. This is where the "civil war" will start. The common people whos kids are in the war and want to see it resolved as well as ensure that "WE" as Americans can remain safe from rouge terrorists threats. Vs these stupid morrons that are calling for our troops to be pulled out of Iraq before the situation is controlled over there, These same people want to impeach Bush, that voted for Kerry who would have sold us out to the world in exchange for vows of co-operation from weak, spinless coutnries like France.

Your civil war is going to happen (just like in the 1800's) between those people that support the current administration and the values that this Country was built on, and the spinless, weak and cowardly people that would rather be oppressed then to stand up for their freedoms. Whos only motives are to cause the Goverment pain and anguish. These people would be the ones to torch the goverment buildings, fight with police, march and riot in the town squares and deface goverment property, they will be meet by Pro-Goverment supports and fights will break out and then bigger and bigger counter attacks until the Country is divided and embroiled in a political civil war.


reply posted on 4-11-2004 @ 12:40 PM by robertfenix
I guess I am lucky that I am a German/Christian then. I abhore the genocide that was perputrated on defenseless people. And I would hope that the rest of the "peace loving" muslim and islamic world will soon realize that radical's that hope to see the "western" world dead and replaced with islam are only drawing the anger of a VERY powerful group of people that once pushed will not accept anything other then total victory even at the maximum expense of innocent life.

The United States was "pushed" into the war with Axis in WWII and in a dramatic and deadly choice obliterated thousands of innocent lives to end a global conflict. That ideology still remains even to this day with the Bush administration. Do not anger the American people to the point where there is no return. The safety of "arab/muslim" people would no longer be guaranteed in America once that line has been crossed. They will be viewed as "inflitrators and Infidels" just as I am sure US Forces are seen in their Countries. The only difference is that US Forces are clearly and openly identified as such and the perputrators of violence and deceit (terrorists) veil themselves like the cowards they really are, leaving us no choice but to drop all this PC correctness and to round up any and all suspected or otherwise affiliated "threats" to the American general public.

IS THIS WHAT THEY REALLY WANT? DO THEY REALLY WANT TO ENRAGE the American public which will only encourgage the radical "red neck" mentality to join the armed services so that they can go KICK SOME BUTT and avenge (what they think) is a massive slap in the face but a cowardly enemy? Are they truely prepared to accept the consequences that they will have brought upon their beloved religion. You can capture some defenseless civilians and cut of their heads but can you really withstand a systematic destruction and annihlation of your "cause" to the point that when your operators are "discovered" they will be hunted down and beaten to the point that you will no longer be able to convince poor uneducated and unwise children to join your radical movements.


reply posted on 4-11-2004 @ 02:10 PM by titian
I've supplied this before and I'll supply it again:

URL: dictionary.reference.com...

civil war
n.

1. A war between factions or regions of the same country.
2. A state of hostility or conflict between elements within an organization: “The broadcaster is in the midst of a civil war that has brought it to the brink of a complete management overhaul” (Bill Powell).
3. Civil War The war in the United States between the Union and the Confederacy from 1861 to 1865. Also called War Between the States.
4. Civil War The war in England between the Parliamentarians and the Royalists from 1642 to 1648.


URL: dictionary.reference.com...

Revolutionary War
n.
The American Revolution.

American Revolution
n.
The war between the American colonies and Great Britain (1775-1783), leading to the formation of the independent United States.


Is anybody really ready to accept the consequences of a revolutionary war? That is what you'd need if you think the current system of government needs to be replaced. Are you ready for the economic fallout that arises when your the strongholds of your opponent (factories, offices, government buildings) are destroyed? That's what you do in a war -- you attack your enemy's bastions of strength. If anyone thinks they can overthrow the government without doing so they are sadly mistaken.

There are those who say that the Pentagon hates Bush/Rumsfield because they micromanaged the Iraq war and didn't let the generals do their jobs. If those managers (that's what they are, the leaders are in the field inspiring their troops to do their jobs despite the risks) rise up and take control of the government, do you think it will be any better? So people are unhappy with our re-elected President, it's nice to have that choice, to have the freedom to say that without fear of persection or prosecution. Do they think a military coup to place a leader from another party will suddenly change everyone's way of life? McDonald's workers would now make $25.00 per hour? That's great until McDonald's shuts down due to extreme labor costs. Or do you want to pay $15.00 for a BigMac?

I think a lot of the arguments from people who talk about spreading the wealth and this and that don't understand capitalism. It's not a political system -- it's an economic system. It's a system that allowed us to become the greatest nation on earth. Along with that come the problems that you would expect -- greed, abnormal distributions of wealth, etc.. Well, another fact people forget is that in most cases the workers don't contribute their own capital to start a business. The profits are shared amongst the workers -- it's called a pay check. If there were no profits there'd be no paychecks. If all these workers want to strike it rich then do it the way most, not all, people do it -- hard work, determination, sound business strategies, etc.

Anyone who wants to live in a socialist country can move to France.
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