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Originally posted by Patriot36
it maybe a little closer than we think.....
"You can make an easy kind of a link that, if you have a protest group protesting a war where the cause that's being fought against is international terrorism, you might have terrorism at that (protest)," said Van Winkle, of the state Justice Department. "You can almost argue that a protest against that is a terrorist act."
10 million give or take immigrants
Originally posted by conspiracymaster
300 million americans
10 million give or take immigrants
i figure americans have the upper hand if there ever will be a civil war
Originally posted by the_oleneo
There won't be a civil war caused by the American people unless there is a sinister attempt by some elite powers-that-be and their sister private organizations to create and force conditions and circumstances very ripe for a major civil war in the United States. An environment full of serious political and social disagreements between the American people in their views of the future and direction of the country. Freedom of speech and expression certainly have its prices paid for in blood, money and dirty politics.
I have an understanding that a future American civil war would be both political and ethnical in nature, unlike the Civil War in 1861-1865 (which was fought for economic and state-vs-state issues). The current red states-vs-blue states are just an indication of how really serious the division of the American people is. You have many people professing different political beliefs all over the country about the future of the United States and its role as the most powerful nation-state in the eyes of the world, many of them are either of patriotic-national or progressive-international beliefs.
The red state folks are traditional patriotic-national, Republican/conservative, Christian faithful, suburban-rural kind believing that the United States of America must stay at being no. 1 in the world at the risk of anything at all costs.
They believe in capitalism, a strong free enterprise and free markets, that everyone should enrich themselves with hard work and keep the money.
They believe in national defense and a strong blunt foreign policy that the world must reckon the superpower role of the United States as absolute.
They do not believe that the world, particularly the United Nations, should decide everything for the sake of security and peace over other countries, including the US.
They have seen too much hypocrisy and bull#s from the UN and other nations over other affairs and are shocked to see nobody paid much attentions to such hypocritical bull#s from the UN and other countries while the United States is being constantly blamed for all the world's woes.
Those are the general views of the American red-state folks. They live in their absolute beliefs that the United States of America is the best country in the world, bar none, and should remain itself as the no. 1 superpower all the times. Surprisingly, a growing number of recently naturalized immigrants (newly sworn-in American citizens) from other non-Central/South American countries seem to share that sentiments.
The blue state folks are progressive-minded, liberal Democratic, international/UN-supporting, agnostic/atheist, urban/city kind who believe that the United States of America should end its superpower hegemony over the world and sidestep itself in favor of the United Nations and international organizations dedicated to world peace and security.
They do not believe in any national manifest destiny of the USA over the world's resources and countries, do not believe that its national defense and sovereignty are greater than any other country, but do believe in a progressive, international-oriented foreign policy that the US should share any obligation with other countries over anything.
They believe in sharing and distributing its national wealth and resources with other countries in order to better the planet.
They believe in elimination of nuclear weapons with the United States going first in hope that other nuclear states should follow suit.
They believe in sending peacekeeping troops in the troublesome spots, ease up sanctions, relieve harsh debts, end poverty and famine at any cost.
They wanted the US government to completely divorce itself from religion on the state-church issues, especially divorcing itself from the Christian roots and beliefs (like removing all Christian references from government buildings and properties).
Those are the general views of the blue state folks, however there are more diverse and various views from them than the red state folks (which are limited and to-the-point). They wanted the United States to pay for all the world's woes and pains.
An ethnical civil war in America may happen when there is an explosive potentiality of different ethnic groups in America competing to control communities and cities in the United States. There are few powerful Mexican-Latino groups in the southwest who are dedicated in taking back the entire American southwest to Mexico (California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, portions of Colorado and Nevada). There are growing numbers of ethnic gangs in major American cities, especially the El Salvadoran-originated Mara Salvatrucha gangs. An ethnic civil war could happen when if the United States government have fail to intervene and prevent gangs from causing problems in communities and cities. Keep an eye out for the MS-13 gangs as they may be more dangerous than any other gang in America.
[edit on 2/26/2005 by the_oleneo]
Originally posted by Swordbeast
I think, this might get ugly pretty quickly if the whole scandal gains on momentum.