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Boston is a Farce to Take your Rights Away

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posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 10:26 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by chrismarco
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They push it so hard because the more people who watch them the more money the station or channel gets from advertising...


Than why all the politically slanted articles trying to convince readers to take either the Repub or Dem side?

Obviously the media is very interested in Swaying Public Opinion as much as they are in profit.
Think about it.

the guv and the rich pay large to sway public opinion
product placement and idea placement

its in the fiction too




posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 10:29 PM
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To be fair, they didn't ask so much demand with fully automatic rifles and the threat of arrest.


Can you post one source that proves someone was arrested or even theatened with arrest for being out doors?


I think an interesting question to ask was, if this was a false flag, which I'm convinced the evidence shows it was, what's the purpose of staging a city wide lockdown?


Of course you think it was a false flag. You folks think everything is a false flag. There are no actual crazy people, crimes, arrests, or even natural disasters. Everything is a false flag to cover up.. hmm... I have no idea.. the point of a false flag is to divert attention / cover something up, but for all these false flags, can't seem to find that event they are trying to divert attention from. As far as a lockdown goes, they had a crazy dude with explosives and weapons running around. They just had a massive gunfight the night before with police. They were heavily armed. They felt it was somewhere in the neighborhood.. and they were right. As soon as they lifted the "lockdown," gunfire erupted. Guess it -was- a good idea after all.


I think the answer is, to condition us to think martial law is acceptable for a single enemy of the state


Except it was not really like martial law. No one was threatened, no one was told they were REQUIRED to stay indoors, no one was arrested for NOT being indoors. So it's just like martial law except for that it wasn't like it at all.



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 10:32 PM
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You actually have this all wrong.


Your perspective dictates that response. Where did critical thinking exit stage left?



If they can suspend freedom for one second, than we don't have freedom at all.


That's extreme. Honestly, in this situation, LE needed the control, and for citizens to comply. There was a killer on the loose. Citizens complied, and the problem is now solved. Freedom is restored, and in this instance, everyone knew it was a temporary situation, and let LE do their job. It wasn't a matter of LE taking away our rights, or hassling citizens into compliance, it was a cooperative effort on behalf of both parties, to conclude a horrible tragic event. You can't really apply a tragic event to the general activities of TPTB, can you?

If you insist, I must label you as a drama queen.



Our rights will not be restored until all of this anti-human rights legislation is overturned and thrown out, and all of these criminal types in the US, State, and local gov'ts will need to be charged with high crimes and face justice before the American people by law.


You are speaking of ideals, and unrealistic goals. It is as it is. Can't you simply comply with the system?

Of course not. You'd rather spout armchair rhetoric with doing nothing to change it.

The system is due to collapse soon, so why don't you just take a seat and watch it fall? Why complain about it when collapse is imminent?

Better yet, why not propose a better system. You bang everything, and label it, but what, in all honesty, is the IDEAL system of government you like to see in place? Do you have answers, or only vague responses?



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 10:33 PM
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Strangely though, the kid got captured without the slightest resistance.


Why is that strange? He probably hadn't slept in two days. He probably had not eaten. He was bloody and injured. He probably had bullets and shrapnel in his body. He went to the hospital in serious condition He wasn't Rambo - he is a brainwashed, exhausted, scared, injured kid. No surprise at all he didn't resist. He probably didn't have the strength to call out to surrender.



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 10:48 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash
I know very well that many of you readers know what's up.
You know that I am factually correct about the political situation developing here globally and here in the US.

You know we are in deep crap because everyone believes in these fear-based fantasies and is so willing to demand to have their rights stripped from them for a false safety that will NEVER EXIST.

And that right there is the most important issue on Earth!


Glad you posted this....was thinking the same thing as they announced they were sweeping the streets going from house to house. So can we now expect to have knocks on our doors and demanded entrance everytime some criminal is on the loose in Anywhere, USA?

Sad situation all the way around.



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 10:51 PM
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Originally posted by fleabit

Except it was not really like martial law. No one was threatened, no one was told they were REQUIRED to stay indoors, no one was arrested for NOT being indoors. So it's just like martial law except for that it wasn't like it at all.


So you know no one was arrested how?

Because you MADE IT UP?
Exactly.

No one could possibly know the arrest records from the last 12-18 hours, and have a list of why they were arrested.

Post the list ? Or admit you made it up to sound like you know something no one could possibly know.
Boston is a big city, and you just made some sweeping claims.



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by fleabit

Except it was not really like martial law. No one was threatened, no one was told they were REQUIRED to stay indoors, no one was arrested for NOT being indoors. So it's just like martial law except for that it wasn't like it at all.


So you know no one was arrested how?

Because you MADE IT UP?
Exactly.

No one could possibly know the arrest records from the last 12-18 hours, and have a list of why they were arrested.

Post the list ? Or admit you made it up to sound like you know something no one could possibly know.
Boston is a big city, and you just made some sweeping claims.


Agreed and that is no different then any of your interpretation of the events that happened today including if anyone was arrested.


SMR

posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 11:00 PM
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You know why people were told to stay inside. Because people are DUMB !
The whole time while listening to the scanners I kept hearing officers saying they had crowds around the area they were either scouting or when they had the Suspect cornered. These men have serious artillery, yet STUPID people are right there with their cell phones trying to take pictures and video.
They were told to stay inside because there are threats of explosives. Idiots didnt listen. They went outside.
If they have no regard for their safety, someone has to.
Going about like nothing is wrong during a situation is foolish and had they allowed that and civilians got in the crossfire, you would be here bitching about that. It's a lose/lose situation for them.
It's a safety issue, not a 'we control you now' situation.
Stupid people sometimes need a slap on the back of the head and that slap was Law Enforcement telling them to stay inside.



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 11:00 PM
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Originally posted by Druid42

If you insist, I must label you as a drama queen.



How am I a drama queen?

You have been here since 2011, and have made 155 threads begging for attention.

While I have been here since 2004, and only have 141 threads begging for attention.

Seriously, who is the real attention seeker?
I make 15 threads a year, you make around 100.

You attacked me for something you are 10x worse than me at?



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by opethPA

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by fleabit

Except it was not really like martial law. No one was threatened, no one was told they were REQUIRED to stay indoors, no one was arrested for NOT being indoors. So it's just like martial law except for that it wasn't like it at all.


So you know no one was arrested how?

Because you MADE IT UP?
Exactly.

No one could possibly know the arrest records from the last 12-18 hours, and have a list of why they were arrested.

Post the list ? Or admit you made it up to sound like you know something no one could possibly know.
Boston is a big city, and you just made some sweeping claims.


Agreed and that is no different then any of your interpretation of the events that happened today including if anyone was arrested.


No because I don't need anything other than my Constitution to know that martial law is illegal.
And I saw martial law in photo and video, AKA military style police in a "locked down" city.

I don't need any arrest records for that.
The Constitution spells it out just fine.

But to prove how many were arrested and make claims X number were , you need actual documentation of those arrest records.



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 11:08 PM
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No. No. No. No. No.
Wait a minute...NO!

There was a god damn bombing, and they had to control the area!

What the hell do you think should happen when someplace is bombed?

Yeah, let's form a civilian bomb investigation and counter-terrorism unit with absolutely ZERO experience
in controlling this disaster!

You know that not all of Boston was being quarantined because of this so NO you are incorrect sir.

Pure speculation based on false pretenses.
Good god you people love to jump to conclusions.

Every time something bad happens and police and military show up to handle the situation,
someone yells,"Police State. Grab your guns and defend your rights!"



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 11:13 PM
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Originally posted by RothchildRancor
No. No. No. No. No.
Wait a minute...NO!

There was a god damn bombing, and they had to control the area!

What the hell do you think should happen when someplace is bombed?

Yeah, let's form a civilian bomb investigation and counter-terrorism unit with absolutely ZERO experience
in controlling this disaster!

You know that not all of Boston was being quarantined because of this so NO you are incorrect sir.

Pure speculation based on false pretenses.
Good god you people love to jump to conclusions.

Every time something bad happens and police and military show up to handle the situation,
someone yells,"Police State. Grab your guns and defend your rights!"


Control control control ? Is that all anyone cares about? Controlling everything?

Look, the Constitution has dealt with terrorists plenty of times and it worked out excellent for safety and justice.
We don't need to burn the Constitution and give up our way of life.

The terrorists have beaten us already.
People are already willing to give up their fundamental human rights for the smallest token.



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 11:14 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by opethPA

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by fleabit

Except it was not really like martial law. No one was threatened, no one was told they were REQUIRED to stay indoors, no one was arrested for NOT being indoors. So it's just like martial law except for that it wasn't like it at all.


So you know no one was arrested how?

Because you MADE IT UP?
Exactly.

No one could possibly know the arrest records from the last 12-18 hours, and have a list of why they were arrested.

Post the list ? Or admit you made it up to sound like you know something no one could possibly know.
Boston is a big city, and you just made some sweeping claims.


Agreed and that is no different then any of your interpretation of the events that happened today including if anyone was arrested.


No because I don't need anything other than my Constitution to know that martial law is illegal.
And I saw martial law in photo and video, AKA military style police in a "locked down" city.

I don't need any arrest records for that.
The Constitution spells it out just fine.

But to prove how many were arrested and make claims X number were , you need actual documentation of those arrest records.


Sorry what I see in those photos is the local and federal LE trying to protect the public in a dangerous situation.
I have not heard anyone from Boston complain that the Shelter In Place (not Martial Law) was a violation of their rights.


martial law n. a system of complete control by a country's military over all activities, including civilian, in a theoretical or actual war zone, or during a period of emergency caused by a disaster such as an earthquake or flood, with the military commander having dictatorial powers. In the United States martial law must be ordered by the President as commander-in-chief and must be limited to the duration of the warfare or emergency. It cannot result in a long-term denial of constitutional rights, such as habeas corpus, the right to a trial, and to free press.



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 11:16 PM
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Originally posted by SMR
You know why people were told to stay inside. Because people are DUMB !


Our superior fascist overlords know best huh?

Because we are all so dumb, we need someone to think for us , RIGHT?

Wrong!
You may let them think for you, but I can think for myself.

I don't need you profiling 300million people's intellectual abilities in one statement, then turning around and justifying martial law with it.

Your cognitive dissonance is running it's course. You have no real arguments, you didn't when you came in, and you won't when you leave.
edit on 19-4-2013 by muzzleflash because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 11:16 PM
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Interesting thread. I been actually pondering on the theory that this can all be a setup or act to test the American publics reaction to a police state or martial law scenario implemented into everyday society. I have been reading through many threads here on ats on this idea of martial law taking over and stripping people rights and freedom away. Very interesting threads on reports of urban military exercises in populated cities, black op helicopters conducting fly by firing blanks, drone activity, closed circuit cameras, changing gun laws, etc. I do believe that big brother is up to something and maybe do have a sinister plan in place to take us all over and throw us into fema camps all in good time. But, at the same time, I don't think they will be able to implement such a thing so easily and efficiently as many would like to believe they could. With a population of almost 317,000,000 in the USA, I believe there would be a great resistance to this thus making this idea harder to believe which leads me to my next theory of what is really going on.

In my opinion, the Boston marathon bombings could very well be an act of international terrorism conducted by Muslim extremist groups rather then a scenario orchestrated by the us government for their own sinister purposes. These brothers were known to travel back and forth to Chechnya regions once a year for 6 months at time and then return. Chechnya is known to be a hot ground and harbour some of the most aggressive and brutal Islamist jihad fighters who are fully backed by al Qaeda. What's to say these brothers weren't going back for training? They were trained to obviously make home made explosives, they engaged the police when they were surrounded and probably did with military techniques. They were strapped with explosive vests just like suicide bombers and threw pipe bombs at police pursuing them in the police chase. These guys were fearless just like most Islamist radicals who operate like complete lunatics and suicidal maniacs.

I know people think that there is something very odd about locking down an entire city like Boston and trapping people in their homes because of one guy and I think it is too, but when you factor in all the above mentioned things about the suspect you start to see this was no average gang banging criminal on the loose. This was a trained sleeper terrorist with a mission to kill as much Americans he possibly could.the citizens of Boston were on lockdown for their safety. If people were out and about during these tense times, what's to say this guy wouldn't run into the biggest crowd he can find and detonate himself and causing more mass casualties like a suicide bombers mission is to. So you can somewhat understand the extreme measures of the police and military to protect citizens.

People need to see that the Boston marathon incident is just the tip of the iceberg. This will happen again and more frequently. There are sleeper cells and sleeper terrosit scattered all over the country waiting for their command to attack. Unfortunately, the USA has made far to many enemies in the open world and even in their own country. They go into countries as they please and steal and deplete all their resources to feed the great war machine that fights to keep the top dogs or elite super rich for generations to come. The average citizen suffers as they have no clue of the real agenda of the elite who don't care for them to begin with. You can't go into someone's home without permission and act as it is yours by taking everything and anything as you please without caring about the consequences. Bottom line, to many people hate the USA and want to hurt them bad. If Islamist radicals, Chinese, Koreans, etc., came here into our country and tried to deplete our resources, brainwash us to believe there ways, and kill us if we don't comply, the military and people would destroy them immediately. We go in the countries knowing they can't fight back the same way. From this, you get a lot of angry people and a lot of enemies. Brace yourselves as the next attack could be biological or a dirty nuclear suit case bomb. No turning back now as to many enemies were made.

Nationalisticcroat



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 11:20 PM
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Originally posted by opethPA

Sorry what I see in those photos is the local and federal LE trying to protect the public in a dangerous situation.
I have not heard anyone from Boston complain that the Shelter In Place (not Martial Law) was a violation of their rights.


Shelter in place?

Like a prison shelter you are kept in place at ?

What kind of twisted double think false terminology is this?

You are calling a city wide prison, a martial law zone, a "Shelter in Place".

Look at this people! It's utterly amazing!



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 11:23 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash

Shelter in place?

Like a prison shelter you are kept in place at ?

What kind of twisted double think false terminology is this?

You are calling a city wide prison, a martial law zone, a "Shelter in Place".

Look at this people! It's utterly amazing!


This is sort of like calling an active forest fire a "martial law zone" because the firemen have asked civilians to stay out of the fire.



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 11:23 PM
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Well there is more damning hard questions than there is concrete proof. More than 10 actually.



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 11:24 PM
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Historically, Boston and surrounds was a focal point where colonial resistance to the crown gelled.
Boston Tea Party, Boston Massacre, Lexington & Concord, Paul Revere's ride.....



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 11:26 PM
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Originally posted by buckrogerstime

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Shelter in place?

Like a prison shelter you are kept in place at ?

What kind of twisted double think false terminology is this?

You are calling a city wide prison, a martial law zone, a "Shelter in Place".

Look at this people! It's utterly amazing!


This is sort of like calling an active forest fire a "martial law zone" because the firemen have asked civilians to stay out of the fire.


No, you cannot even come up with good metaphors.

Allow me to show you how it works :

It would be like calling a forest fire a marshmallow roast.
Calling martial law a "shelter in place".
It's laughable and utterly tyrannical.
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