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Boston is a Farce to Take your Rights Away

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posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by opethPA
two suspects into not killing innocent people?
Their I think I hit all the conspiracy acronyms.


suspects aren't quilty till poven so
or the op wins




posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 12:54 PM
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I just linked the Supremacy Clause for you above to read and learn about.


Again, inapplicable here. The clause deals with judicial decisions at the local level being superseded by any SCOTUS rulings. There's nothing that relates to this scenario. We're not in a court of law, trying to make a ruling.

We are dealing with the obviously condoned actions of the local police.



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 12:54 PM
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Lets look at this from another angle, you are incharge. Would you go for a over whelming response, or an under response. Thats the two options

If you under respond, how would you feel at the end of the day if he kills more police or more innocent people. What if it comes out that those deaths are directly related to not having enough units.

Its easy to arm chair quarterback



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by Danbones
the whole city of boston is on lockdown
shelter in place
for a kid with a pistole?
did they do that for Dorner out in LA?

guess thats what the OP is about right there



Thanks for clarifying that.
Glad their were no IED's\grenades used last night.
I mean after all it is just a kid with a pistole.



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 12:55 PM
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Boston is a Farce to Take your Rights Away


Isn't it ironic how at one time, when we were faced with a Great Depression and a World war spread across two theaters, our government was telling us that, 'The only thing we have to fear is, fear itself!'

Now today, facing a rag-tag clan of Islamic extremists and a few rogue nations that have taken to tweaking the nose of the world, our government asks us to trade our liberties for a little perceived (and fully questionable) safety? The only reason we would bow to such a thing is because we have been indoctrinated to believe that everything is to fear and it is fear itself that will save us all.

The moment the Patriot Act passed and became law, we lost the war on terror. In fact, we're still losing.

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posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by cavscout11cav

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by Druid42
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the Constitution prohibits the government from infringing on the rights of citizens, turning Boston into a police state is unconstitutional


Prohibits the Federal Government, right?


NO

It prohibits the federal state county and city governments from infringing on the rights listed as protected in that document (US Constitution)

I just linked the Supremacy Clause for you above to read and learn about.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people

Check out 10 sometime


I already checked it out wise guy.

It says the powers NOT delegated to the US, and NONE of those powers can infringe on the Bill of Rights, Hello? Are you following?

Or do you actually believe state govts can pass laws making everyone a slave and stripping all freedom ?
Because you would be wrong, they cannot pass laws undoing the Constitutional prohibitions.



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by Danbones

Originally posted by opethPA
two suspects into not killing innocent people?
Their I think I hit all the conspiracy acronyms.


suspects aren't quilty till poven so
or the op wins


Yup 100% agree and I don't think they have proved the bombing without doubt.

The events of last night are pretty clear though and the fact that both suspects fired weapons in the manner they did, stole a car , other events makes the response warranted.

Again I will ask you the same thing I did the OP. How would you have responded to this situation if you were in charge?



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by redoubt
reply to post by muzzleflash
 




Boston is a Farce to Take your Rights Away


Isn't it ironic how at one time, when we were faced with a Great Depression and a World war spread across two theaters, our government was telling us that, 'The only thing we have to fear is, fear itself!'

Now today, facing a rag-tag clan of Islamic extremists and a few rogue nations that have taken to tweaking the nose of the world, our government asks us to trade our liberties for a little perceived (and fully questionable) safety? The only reason we would bow to such a thing is because we have been indoctrinated to believe that everything is to fear and it is fear itself that will save us all.

The moment the Patriot Act passed and became law, we lost the war on terror. In fact, we're still losing.

...


Very nice post! Thank you!

You have injected some highly accurate comments in there, and hit a nail on a head very hard.
Rock on!



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by Danbones
the whole city of boston is on lockdown
shelter in place
for a kid with a pistole?
did they do that for Dorner out in LA?

guess thats what the OP is about right there


Lets deny ignorance and speak the truth

The city of Boston is not on lock down
people are asked to shelter in place, not you must shelter in place
a adult with explosives, weapons(s), and a kill count

As I said by brother is in Boston downtown, he has moved freely, taken a taxi to an restaurant. The restaurant was open and he has gone back to work.



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 01:00 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by cavscout11cav

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by Druid42
reply to post by muzzleflash
 





the Constitution prohibits the government from infringing on the rights of citizens, turning Boston into a police state is unconstitutional


Prohibits the Federal Government, right?


NO

It prohibits the federal state county and city governments from infringing on the rights listed as protected in that document (US Constitution)

I just linked the Supremacy Clause for you above to read and learn about.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people

Check out 10 sometime


I already checked it out wise guy.

It says the powers NOT delegated to the US, and NONE of those powers can infringe on the Bill of Rights, Hello? Are you following?

Or do you actually believe state govts can pass laws making everyone a slave and stripping all freedom ?
Because you would be wrong, they cannot pass laws undoing the Constitutional prohibitions.


Never said that. I am pointing out that the Federal Government hasnt declared martia law, and the state is responding within the scope of the Mass. Constitution. No noone is being infringed



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by opethPA

Again I will ask you the same thing I did the OP. How would you have responded to this situation if you were in charge?


That is irrelevant as I stated before.

The Constitution spells out plainly what the government cannot do.

If I were in charge I would follow the Constitutions prohibitions. Duh.



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by cavscout11cav


Never said that. I am pointing out that the Federal Government hasnt declared martia law, and the state is responding within the scope of the Mass. Constitution. No noone is being infringed


What would you know about the Mass. Constitution? You didn't even know the basics about the US Constitution...

Where does it say they are allowed to have undeclared martial law ?

Everyone is being infringed, including you and everyone you know.


edit on 19-4-2013 by muzzleflash because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by cavscout11cav

Originally posted by Danbones
the whole city of boston is on lockdown
shelter in place
for a kid with a pistole?
did they do that for Dorner out in LA?

guess thats what the OP is about right there


Lets deny ignorance and speak the truth

The city of Boston is not on lock down
people are asked to shelter in place, not you must shelter in place
a adult with explosives, weapons(s), and a kill count

As I said by brother is in Boston downtown, he has moved freely, taken a taxi to an restaurant. The restaurant was open and he has gone back to work.


You vs MSM? Hmm.

The MSM said clearly, "Boston on Lock Down" on most of the top news agencies this morning for hours.
There is proof of this terminology being used everywhere.

So you agree than that the MSM is blowing it way overboard? Because they said LOCK DOWN.
That's the point of the thread actually and why I said in the OP, "IF we believe what the MSM wants us to believe" -paraphrased.

Why are they spreading false information and hysteria to hype this terrorist event up and make the terrorists insanely famous?
edit on 19-4-2013 by muzzleflash because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 01:08 PM
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Im hearing that its been reported a kid was arrested for leaving the house
a bostonian is on Jones now
the bostonian is saying it might as well be martial law



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by Druid42
reply to post by muzzleflash
 




I just linked the Supremacy Clause for you above to read and learn about.


Again, inapplicable here. The clause deals with judicial decisions at the local level being superseded by any SCOTUS rulings. There's nothing that relates to this scenario. We're not in a court of law, trying to make a ruling.

We are dealing with the obviously condoned actions of the local police.




I didn't condone those actions and I explained clearly why the Constitution is the foundation of my claim.

Yes the Supremacy Clause does prohibit any government from passing laws contradictory to itself.

Are the bill of rights for just judges? Or are they for everyone to know by heart so they can live and die free?

Everyone can read the Constitution themselves and see you are lying (to yourself) to promote fascist ideology.
edit on 19-4-2013 by muzzleflash because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 01:12 PM
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Originally posted by Danbones
Im hearing that its been reported a kid was arrested for leaving the house
a bostonian is on Jones now
the bostonian is saying it might as well be martial law


It IS martial law.

Soldiers on the streets = martial law.



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by redoubt
Isn't it ironic how at one time, when we were faced with a Great Depression and a World war spread across two theaters, our government was telling us that, 'The only thing we have to fear is, fear itself!'

Now today, facing a rag-tag clan of Islamic extremists and a few rogue nations that have taken to tweaking the nose of the world, our government asks us to trade our liberties for a little perceived (and fully questionable) safety? The only reason we would bow to such a thing is because we have been indoctrinated to believe that everything is to fear and it is fear itself that will save us all.

The moment the Patriot Act passed and became law, we lost the war on terror. In fact, we're still losing.

...


The only thing we have to fear is fear itself - is a truth.

BUT the bigger thing we have to fear is plain stupidity by the vocally loud minority to cower the few.

Because stupidity is born out of ignorances.

A child who do not listen to his elders will test his fingers upon an open flame, and ultimately, is enlightened to know what to avoid.

Today, the lockdown is NOT to repress ANY citizen's freedom, but to ensure the safety of all, for that terrorist, the humanslayer whom HAD engage in NOT only gun battles, but throwing of ready made EXPLOSIVES upon lightly armed security officers, is on the loose and will cause great harm to other precious innocent human lives.

Go ahead, scream Samuel Adams qoutes all you want, BUT at the end of the day - DARE YOU TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY for your stupid accusations that martial law even though necessary at times like these to protect others and as usual, marital law DO NOT last forever in a democratic republic such as USA?

Do you dare?

I doubt so, because you are the kind that will scream and scream, but when SHTF at your doorstep, you will sing a different tune, just like the unconscionable OP. Thus, why, why, why, such belligerances and stupidities from the likes of your kind?????!!!!!!



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

Today, the lockdown is NOT to repress ANY citizen's freedom, but to ensure the safety of all, for that terrorist, the humanslayer whom HAD engage in NOT only gun battles, but throwing of ready made EXPLOSIVES upon lightly armed security officers, is on the loose and will cause great harm to other precious innocent human lives.




See even the denier admits it's a lock down, while the other deniers argue it isn't a lock down.
They cannot even agree on what justifies their loss of freedoms today!

Anyways, the lock down is illegal under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, including the end of the world and zombie apocalypses.
ILLEGAL means you are not allowed to do it.
It's a CRIME. Treason!



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 01:17 PM
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Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

Go ahead, scream Samuel Adams qoutes all you want,



You need to learn basic American history.

I quoted Patrick Henry.

Yet you are telling me how things in America should work.
That is the real FARCE right there.



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash

Anyways, the lock down is illegal under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, including the end of the world and zombie apocalypses.
ILLEGAL means you are not allowed to do it.
It's a CRIME. Treason!


OP, are you ok? Have you lost your mind, or have a deathwish not only for yourself but for others as well?

This is no ordinary situation today, but a CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER, as proven by the the humanslayers actions over the past few days.

This lockdown is not forever.

But to you, saving precious human lives is ILLEGAL and no human is allowed to do it, or is a crime to save humans????!!!!

Thank heavens you are not a representative of the People, or hell only awaits, just as those living in Syria and other trouble lands in our world.



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