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So if the Anikythera mechanism was so trivial then why didn't anyone make anything like it for another 1000 years?
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Of course, ancient garbage heaps have not been found. People no doubt got rid of their own refuse in their own way.
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India had a federal structure during Vedic time. There were several kingdoms ruled by 'Raja'. The most dominant kingdom had authority over these kingdoms, and its king was called a 'Maha Raja'. 'Chakravarti Raja' is a title reserved for the king of entire Earth.
The Golden Age is the only age that falls within the rule of Cronus. Molded out of the earth through the hands of Prometheus, these humans were said to live among the gods, and freely mingled with them. Peace and harmony prevailed during this age. Humans did not have to work to feed themselves, for the earth provided food in abundance. They lived to a very old age but with a youthful appearance and eventually died peacefully. Their spirits live on as "guardians". Plato in Cratylus (397 e) recounts the golden race of men who came first. He clarifies that Hesiod did not mean men literally made of gold, but good and noble. He describes these men as daemons upon the earth. Since δαίμονες (daimones) is derived from δαήμονες (daēmones, meaning knowing or wise), they are beneficent, preventing ills, and guardians of mortals.
The Silver Age and every age that follows fall within the rule of Cronus' successor and son, Zeus. Zeus created these humans out of the ash tree. Men in the Silver age lived for one hundred years under the dominion of their mothers. They lived only a short time as grown adults, and spent that time in strife with one another. During this Age men refused to worship the gods and Zeus destroyed them for their impiety. After death, humans of this age became "blessed spirits" of the underworld.
Men of the Bronze Age were hardened and tough, as war was their purpose and passion. Not only were their arms and tools forged of bronze, but so were their very homes. The men of this Age were undone by their own violent ways and left no named spirits; instead, they dwell in the "dank house of Hades". This Age came to an end with the flood of Deucalion.
The Heroic Age is the one age that does not correspond with any metal. It is also the only age that improves upon the age it follows. These humans were created from the bones of the earth (stones) through the actions of Deucalion and Pyrrha. In this period men lived with noble demigods and heroes. It was the heroes of this Age who fought at Thebes and Troy. This race of humans died and went to Elysium.
Hesiod finds himself in the Iron Age. During this age humans live an existence of toil and misery. Children dishonor their parents, brother fights with brother and the social contract between guest and host (xenia) is forgotten. During this age might makes right, and bad men use lies to be thought good. At the height of this age, humans no longer feel shame or indignation at wrongdoing; babies will be born with gray hair and the gods will have completely forsaken humanity: "there will be no help against evil."
Satya Yuga:- Virtue reigns supreme. Human stature was 21 cubits. Average human lifespan was 100,000 years.
Treta Yuga: – There was 3 quarter virtue & 1 quarter sin. Normal human stature was 14 cubits. Average human lifespan was 10,000 years.
Dwapar Yuga: – There was 1 half virtue & 1 half sin. Normal human stature was 7 cubits. Average human lifespan was 1000 years.
Kali Yuga: – There was 1 quarter virtue & 3 quarter sin. Normal human stature was 3.5 cubits. Average human lifespan will be 100 years. Towards the end of the Yuga this will come down to 20 years.
Originally posted by babybunnies
If there were any evidence, the best place to look is probably at the bottom of the Mediterranean Sea.
There were large towns in the flood plain that were wiped out completely when the water came over the Straits of Gibralter at the end of the last Ice Age.
If you substantiate your claims, then we can take this discussion further.
Its history has been seriously distorted.
My only intention is to convey the idea that rise and fall of civilizations occurs rather frequently on Earth.
Originally posted by ABeing
reply to post by Harte
You can ask Samsung how your TV was constructed and they can actually tell you exactly how it was.
You can ask a myriad of different archaeologists how they think the site was built and you will receive a myriad of different answers, one of which will fit the current paradigm and be considered to be true.
I was not asking how, whoever did it, constructed Machu Piccu piece by piece, but how they managed to move such heavy stones on such a high altitude. If you are not certain; then what is your theory?
Originally posted by ABeing
In reply to:
Originally posted by Harte
Please provide an example, showing not only that the tales exist at all, but also that they are "still told."
I can only provide evidence suggesting that the tales are still being told, but to have concrete, solid evidence I would either have to reach an Incan elder on the phone or online somehow, or travel to Peru and ask them face to face, which I do not believe is possible at the moment.
Originally posted by Harte
If, 1600 years from now, whatever Samsung has become was contacted and asked about my TV, would they be able to answer the question?
What if they were a manufacturer of only pencil sharpeners by then, and had been doing only that for a thousand years?
The Inca were still living in Machu Picchu when the Spaniards arrived. They never denied building the site.
Originally posted by ABeing
I can only provide evidence suggesting that the tales are still being told, but to have concrete, solid evidence I would either have to reach an Incan elder on the phone or online somehow, or travel to Peru and ask them face to face, which I do not believe is possible at the moment.
IOW, you either made it up or read it on some fringe website, and they made it up.
Originally posted by smyleegrl
I realize it may seem that I'm absent in this thread. Fact is, I'm enjoying reading the replies and doing my own digging. You guys are light-years ahead of me in this area, and it's wonderful to just watch you guys talk.
Thank you all, very much. I'm learning a lot!
Originally posted by ABeing
Originally posted by Harte
If, 1600 years from now, whatever Samsung has become was contacted and asked about my TV, would they be able to answer the question?
What if they were a manufacturer of only pencil sharpeners by then, and had been doing only that for a thousand years?
The Inca were still living in Machu Picchu when the Spaniards arrived. They never denied building the site.
Haha, can we stick around one point before jumping 1600 years forward in time and we begin to discuss the future?
Originally posted by ABeing
But, for politeness sake; who knows? I am obviously no oracle, but if Samsung is still around 1600 years from now and would have been sharpening pens "now", since a thousand years back; then I would be very curious to know what ever happened to them, the world and linear advancement -in my time we barely even used pens any longer.
Originally posted by ABeing
For all I know, there may be no remains of any television set, whatsoever, in the entire world by then and there would be no need to remember their existence.
Originally posted by ABeing
And this is exactly my point. If the Inca people cannot explain how Macchu Piccu and other sites were constructed; what happened? The sites are obviously important; how and why did the knowledge become forgotten?
Originally posted by ABeing
Going back to Machu Piccu and the Inca empire:
Just now, I watched a short documentary with John Pierre Protzen regarding the construction theories of their megalithic monuments and cities, and while he provided a valid theory, once they began to work with stone blocks around half a ton in weight; it became increasingly harder and more dangerous to continue.
Now that is with 0,5 tons. What about 25?
Originally posted by ABeing
The Inca certainly could have built Machu Piccu and other Inca sacred places using primitive tools and equipment, but, as of now, how they did it remains a mystery and it is becoming more and more evident that they had to have used some kind of sophisticated building technique at least, in order to do this.
Originally posted by ABeing
Originally posted by ABeing
I can only provide evidence suggesting that the tales are still being told, but to have concrete, solid evidence I would either have to reach an Incan elder on the phone or online somehow, or travel to Peru and ask them face to face, which I do not believe is possible at the moment.
IOW, you either made it up or read it on some fringe website, and they made it up.
My claim comes from a documentary, in which an Incan elder say what I wrote, but, yes, the people making the documentary could have made it all up.
The documentary explored the ancient astronaut theory (it was not Ancient Aliens), but I am more inclined to believe in the legends of lost ancient and advanced civilizations right now.
However, Machu Piccu is one thing, but why are we not including Puma Punku in the discussion? I mentioned it too. Why does it not deserve the same kind of attention as MP?edit on 24-4-2013 by ABeing because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ABeing
Yes, Puma Punku predates the Inca people, whose forefathers referred to the site as "a place of the gods", which was built by the gods and inhabited by the gods.