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Evidence of Ancient Advanced Civilizations...Would We Find It?

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posted on Apr, 29 2013 @ 07:17 AM
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Just love it when a somebody out to discredit makes a mistake by uploading the same evidence.
Concerning your lower image.

Your image is much lower resolution than the partial.

****" You have to zoom in to see the astronaut or suit on your frame, it is just to the upper left of the second down uppermost visible lens etched cross marking at the right of the frame but is clearly still visible."****

Cleverly yours is so low resolution when downloaded and zoomed in the artefact is so pixelated as to be near indistinguishable, You are doing a good job here, give your boss a pat on the back from me, it is easier and more effective to discredit by saying "Oh yeah I see face's in the cloud's all the time" or "Hmm look's like rocks to me", the more you go to extremes the more transparent the attempt becomes, the same as if somebody is wrong and they try to stand there ground they eventually fall in to the hole they dig.

as for the upper image it's called airbrushing or colloquially touching up the image for public release, yours is the catalogue image whilst the other is the expedition frame and they are both from NASA.

Some comments from the original page, I knew that someone would silence them so downloaded the entire site and have it archived.

Excerpts from the original page that no longer exists.

Trouble at Geology Station 6

We have concluded that the object in the photograph (roughly four times the size of an Asian Elephant) is not a boulder or a rock, and for that matter its formation had nothing to do with any natural process. It is, in fact, a piece of machinery which has experienced prolonged exposure to the elements and now exists in a state of advancing deterioration. It sits where it stopped moving long ago and is slowly turning to dust. As with many Apollo photographs the evidence indicates this image has been altered.

The view of the artifact is roughly from the north. This side would experience to a lesser degree the deteriorating effects of essentially unfiltered solar radiation. A perspective view of the south side of "Tracy’s Rock" is never accurately shown. We will speculate that photographs of the south and down slope images of Tracy’s Rock would, among other things, likely show the two right side legs fallen away and laying on the ground along with other revealing mechanical features including, possibly a view of the ‘guts’ of the rear section. Based on photographic procedures executed by U.S. astronauts we are confident that accurate perspective images of the south side of "Tracy’s Rock" do exist and have been withheld.

A panorama of lunar history is captured in this view looking south over the Valley of Taurus Littrow. A huge fragmented boulder had rolled almost a mile down the side of the North Massif to here, Station 6 on our traverse (see here). Our LM and its light area of surface alteration can be seen on the photo about an inch to the right of the top point of the boulder. That's me at the left. Note the marks of my sampling scoop on the debris resting on a slanting surface of the boulder at left. Gene Cernan took the photos from which this mosaic was assembled." The preceding caption was written by Harrison Schmitt. (Labeling of the background Taurus Littrow Valley features has been added. The South Massif seen in the right background is about 5 miles away. (Image courtesy of NASA– labeling added)

Although the above digitized mosaic from "Apollo Expeditions to the Moon" consisting of the two frames is of low resolution (62.7 KB) major differences between it and all other available revisions can be discerned. Those frames were AS17-140-21497 – described in the Lunar Surface Journals as- "Station 6 pan (north). Jack, Tracy's Rock, talus sample site, East Massif, Bear Mountain. (Left) & AS17-140-21494 Station 6 pan (north). LRV, South Massif, TGE, Henry, Bear Mountain or similar (right).


1- Coloration- (Magazine 140 was color) the pale green appearance of the above frame differs significantly from the labeled frame-21496HR & other revisions. This may be the most accurate color rendition of the Taurus Littrow Valley the public has been allowed to see. The color issue will be later discussed.

Shell Game

According to comments in the Apollo 17 Lunar Surface Journal mission planners had allowed up to 45 minutes for Geology Station 6 activities. Officially there was only one Station 6 Boulder which was purportedly comprised of five ‘Fragments.’ To conceal the absence of down slope and rear photos of Tracy’s Rock at least two other (different) ‘boulder groups’ were misleadingly substituted.

Above) Catalog frame AS17-146-22293 - Not listed on Planimetric Map- showing another view purportedly of the Geology Station 6 ‘Boulder.’ Harrison Schmitt is in the center of the frame. The general shape and size of this apparently rear view of ‘Fragment 2’ of Tracy’s Rock does not seem to conform with either the front / upslope view (North Panoramic) or the South Pan frames. (For a higher resolution version of the above scene which has the Rover somewhat obstructing the view click here) The shadow being cast from the rear/ left side of ‘Fragment 2’ is inconsistent with the shadow being cast as seen in consecutive frames in the upslope views as shown in the partial of AS17-140-21493HR below. The shadow cast by ‘Fragment 4’ is inconsistent with the direction of the shadow being cast by ‘Fragment 4’ as seen in the South Pan and the Labeled Detail above. Also the shape of ‘Fragment 3’ is inconsistent with that which is seen in the above frames as well as being highly suspect as a natural formation. (Images courtesy of NASA – labeling added)



I am not going to upload there other image's if you are truly interested look into it yourself,

One caveat, I called the image the catalogue image (I was Wrong) it is the EXPEDITION FRAME.

****" You have to zoom in to see the astronaut or suit on your frame, it is just to the upper left of the second down uppermost visible lens etched cross marking at the right of the frame but is clearly still visible."****

As for tracys rock that image was used in comparison to the expedition frame and they also noted the different colouration of the lunar landscape behind in the distance were the minerals on the surface created a greenish tinge.
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posted on Apr, 29 2013 @ 07:47 AM
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NASA had big plans of colonizing moon. However the turn of events would have been bad enough for NASA to abandon the plans.

There is no doubt that moon is very rich in minerals. It does not have plate tectonics, so it must have a lot of precious metals and heavy metals like uranium on its surface; a result of countless space-rocks crashing into it over time. Absence of plate tectonics means that the heavy metals do not settle deep in the crust, but stay in the upper minable layer only.

Moon also seems to have a lot of water. It is even possible that water is trapped below surface. The low density of moon needs to have a reason.

Underground mining colonies on the moon may be perfectly possible.

The question of course is whether somebody smarter than earth humans has already picked up the idea??

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posted on Apr, 29 2013 @ 08:02 AM
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Or taken it off the human's or a previous terrestrial race, the moon is too convenient for all manner of installations and is not being used as far as we know even for military purposes and it also may have H3 in large quantities on the surface that a surface mining operation could easily extract, one shuttle load of H3 dust would be clean and provide more power than the US entire annual power requirement and may spark a scramble at some point in the future for those assets, I wonder if it may have done so before a kind of thing that could spark a war as nations hungry for resources and power fight greedily with one another.

There were supposedly several amateur radio hams in the pacific whom heard Neil Armstrong saying "My GOD, these babies are huge, menacing, there are space craft lined up on the far side of the crater like they are watching us",. but this was an era of cold war between NATO and the WARSAW PACT so it may also have been to put them off as even then the us had the assets on the moon in mind for future use and did not really want possible competition, But I can not verify that transmission and I know of no one whom can whatever it's significance if any.



posted on Apr, 29 2013 @ 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by LABTECH767
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I Had never heard of this guy but something Glaring tells me you do not understand my point, He was lucky in that he was discovered and unlucky in his short life also something about the story suggests possible asperger's or autism, there are many such cases throughout history and true Renaissance man such as the namesake from whom we gain this title Leonardo DaVinci are by far much rarer specimens of humanity, that said it does ponder the question what other mathematical formulae he may have developed if his life was not cut short, If he was alive today there are a number of field's I can only speculate he may have been engrossed in.

Something else you may not be aware of. For mathematical geniuses, they're pretty much done before the hit 30.

Ramanujan could have had a fairly comfortable life had he lived. However, it is quite unlikely that he would have broken any new mathematical ground.

Something about the ageing brain causes this among those extremely highly gifted mathematicians.


Originally posted by LABTECH767
Might I add something to ponder, I know of your advanced year's but remember just because you do not agree with somebody else opinion belittling them merely show's weakness in your own argument, I am sorry to say though I valued your argument I have now lost some respect for it.

I couldn't care less. I'm not here for you. I'm here for your type People that don't know are the ones that need to know. I'm telling them (and you) what you need to know before post something else that makes you look unknowing (aka ignorant.)

Harte



posted on Apr, 29 2013 @ 01:07 PM
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Just for those baffled by the second image down taken from the Redirect to NASA in eriktheawful Post, here is a very poorly outlined edit and please do forgive my atrocious Image editing ability.


files.abovetopsecret.com...

Don't just look at this look at the redirect in his post and download the NASA DIGITAL high resolution, the LunarArcheology.org that no longer exists used digitised analogue images.
I have starred his comment though as he did put work into it and I got a bit rude in my reply so sorry there eriktheawful but I stand by the evidence and yes it is all down to interpretation.

This is evidence in my opinion of a previous culture that may even have surpassed us but the one nagging question if we do not find more concise corroborating evidence though this is essentially dust and therefore dna would not be found I believe it to be human specifically the upper torso in the remains of a hybrid hard shell space suit, it leave's us with the very chimpanzee unfriendly conclusion are we aliens or terrestrials.
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posted on Apr, 29 2013 @ 01:45 PM
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No offense taken.

I will however point out the multitude of threads on Mars Rocks from Curiosity, ranging from Lizards, to Guinea Pigs, To Boat Anchors, To Boats, To shoes, To Koala Bears, etc, etc, etc.

Just because one thinks they see something in an image, one must realize that the image they see is limited by the shape, lighting and shadows.

Our brains hate the random and will try to make something look like things that seem familiar. It's a quite well known as Pareidolia.

For every 5 people here on ATS that say something looks like (insert object here), another 50 will reply that it's just a rock.

As for a bolder that is actually machinery:

I find it rather ironic that something that was designed to be in space, exposed to the extreme temp variatoins, cosmic rays, solar radiation, etc, would be said to have decayed to such a state to look like a rock because it's in space, exposed to those extreme temps, radiation, particles, etc.

In order for something that was made to be there and to widthstand those things to deteriorate that badly, it would have to of been there for many billions of years.....well before any life on Earth had even started (while many may question human history, the geological record of fossils on the other hand speaks quite clearly on this).

I'm pretty sure that if we ever do find something on the moon that we (we as in modern humans) did not put there, it will be in very good condition if it's not been hit by a large meteorite or subjected to a blast from ejecta. Even if it's been there for millions of years. Because all the things you cited that would degrade things, would take much, much longer than even a few million years.



posted on Apr, 29 2013 @ 01:52 PM
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FOLKS THIS IS JUST A REPLY AND IN PART APOLOGY TO HARTE FOR MY SHORT REBUTTEL EARLIER.

Forgive me Harte if I could alter or moderate my earlier comment I would and I do know of the phenomena of synaptic degradation, I probably have half the functional synapsis as at the age of ten, you will keep your brain healthy as you maintain synaptic functioning, our ability to adapt to new thought processes slows with age but nevertheless the brain can still adapt pathways even at a much more extensive age than yourself or myself, Remember these are merely neuroscientific theory and are only supported through observation and that not being my observation however you might be interested in the field of memristors a type of new micro circuitry that it is believed can be used to create analogues of human synaptic structures and consider the possible positive and negative implication's these may have on the future of the human species, one thing remains certain either we find a better way of living or we have to evolve to survive and just maybe it is not the first time.

I do actually value your opinion's but we each have our own opinions on these matters and it is not a case of being proven right it is a case of understanding that is the only goal worthy of our time.

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posted on Apr, 29 2013 @ 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by LABTECH767
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FOLKS THIS IS JUST A REPLY AND IN PART APOLOGY TO HARTE FOR MY SHORT REBUTTEL EARLIER.

Don't worry. As I said, I remain unfazed.


Originally posted by LABTECH767
Forgive me Harte if I could alter or moderate my earlier comment I would and I do know of the phenomena of synaptic degradation, I probably have half the functional synapsis as at the age of ten, you will keep your brain healthy as you maintain synaptic functioning, our ability to adapt to new thought processes slows with age but nevertheless the brain can still adapt pathways even at a much more extensive age than yourself or myself, Remember these are merely neuroscientific theory and are only supported through observation and that not being my observation however you might be interested in the field of memristors a type of new micro circuitry that it is believed can be used to create analogues of human synaptic structures and consider the possible positive and negative implication's these may have on the future of the human species, one thing remains certain either we find a better way of living or we have to evolve to survive and just maybe it is not the first time.

Interesting, yes.


Originally posted by LABTECH767
I do actually value your opinion's but we each have our own opinions on these matters and it is not a case of being proven right it is a case of understanding that is the only goal worthy of our time.

Yes, but there are such things as facts. Facts which bear on one's opinions (or should, anyway.)

The post about no geniuses coming from any caste but the elite is an example of an opinion that runs counter to established fact.

I don't mean you or anyone else any harm by this, but my only reason for posting here at all is to rebut opinions like that with the facts that are available.

I know that not everyone can be aware of every fact. However, when one posts on a topic, it would seem to me to be the very least we can expect that such a poster has taken some amount of time - even if it's a short time - checking out the established facts that concern the subject on which he is posting.

That is, I realize, quite an high expectation for a forum like this, where there are people that hang on every word of David Icke (for example.) I usually don't even try to provide any facts to people such as that.

Primarily, I am motivated to post here to defend science and in particular archaeology, a grossly underpaid profession (like mine - I'm a teacher) upon which every iota of fact that we have about antiquity hangs.

Harte



posted on Apr, 29 2013 @ 03:24 PM
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To be fair David Icke is regarded as Off his rocker or a bit of a joke, in England anyway, (the joke though is on us as he has made quite a bit of money out of it and unlike the saving grace of founder of scientology L Ron Hubbard whom said prior to it if you wish to be rich and famous start your own religion), And I Love archaeology but while I believe such as yourself are an honourable man given to defend his conviction's as you know it is only a relatively new science and is often at odds with geology (also new but regarded as more scientific and less historic in nature due to the use and inclusion of physics and chemistry - though archaeologist have sometimes trumped geologist I am sure you will agree) on age estimates, also it has many specialist field's usually relating to specific age's/cultures and area's.

What I meant was if somebody born into such a level of a socially segregated society is not exposed to the teaching that may reveal there specific skills to excel they may well be simple lost to the mass of the population as there potential will never have been expressed.

I used to live in a small Lancashire town called skelmersdale through the centre of the new town flows the heavily polluted Tawd river (just a broad stream really no more than two feet deep) and at several points along the banks there are possible roman road's eroding out, the hill called Dalton hill that was once home to an Elizabethan warning beacon has a clear view over to Liverpool and the both north wales with the island of Anglesey and the isle of man are visible, the beacon has been replaced by a squat tower monument that used to have a bronze sculpture of oak leaves and acorns mounted on top until somebody in the 1970's took it away possible to the local council to be sold off, as you can gain from the name though the new town dates from the 1960/70s there was also a small pre existing town that is referred to as old skelmersdale and traces it's origins back to the Vikings and Danes, the hill shows many indications of possible mot and bailey but I have never researched it but it also resembles the possible remnant of a hill fort that may well predate that, there are still mature oak's there near to the monument but in a limited area, a very sad fact as this was once the island of the oak forests.

Trying to make archaeology out here though would be a gargantuan task because of the habitation over habitation and the tradition of robbing out that has seen entire fortress and castles reused to wall farmers fields.

For a long time I have been wondering if time could be replayed through a method of echo detection but that is quantum technology that we do not and may never have, until such time as we do it is the expertise of such as yourself we do rely on but as you know the world is a big place and even in a test pit on a heavily pre-populated archaeological site you may still miss by a single trowel stroke or brush wave something vital to your understanding of the site.

I understand your professional concerns but the greatest discovery's were only made by accident or looking.

To be honest with you Harte I would have loved to have been an archaeologist myself as you have done what many dream of and searched still you are able only to accept the word and findings of your colleagues and arrive at your own conclusion's, god only knows how many library's you must have poured over and how many dig's but you are a seeker that is or was your calling.

As a small child in Eskbank a housing estate in skelmersdale that had only been built about 7 years prior to this I found a small black metal (Silver) buckle that was oblong with rounded corners and the centre was a right hand holding a sheaf of wheat , it was made with the centre hollow except for the hand and wheat, along the four sides at mid point were the four points of the cross, it was unfortunately stolen when the house was burgled.
There is archaeology every were in Britain, so much so that most people simply don't care so it is nice to find someone whom not only does but dedicated his life to it.
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posted on Apr, 29 2013 @ 03:32 PM
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I hope nobody has posted this one already..

Out of Place Objects

We find items out of place all over the world but just like everything else... it is a conspiracy...



posted on Apr, 29 2013 @ 05:14 PM
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I think part of the problem with finding prehistoric civilizations lies in the issue of where people choose to live. Currently around 44% of the worlds population lives near the coast. I would imagine that number hasn't significantly lowered over the ages. Since sea levels were 400 ft lower 21,000 years ago, I would guess that half if not more of where these people lived is now under hundreds of feet of water. Making archaeological digs almost impossible. Basically giving us the flood stories that several groups and religions have.



posted on Apr, 29 2013 @ 05:31 PM
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Yes and the further back in time the deeper because,

The moon is slowly moving away at about 1 meter per year and the gravitational tidal influence is waning as it grows further away, this would also have bulged the sub-crustal magma toward the equatorial regions when it was much closer as even though it is actually a solid it under the prevailing temperatures act's more like a highly viscous fluid.

The ice age depressed the northern continents under 2 to 4 miles of ice and as well as lowering sea level this would also have displaced Magma toward the equatorial regions actually under the sea plates more than than the continental plates due to less downward pressure as the continents are actually sliding over basaltic sea plates meaning they are much heavier.

The highland area's that we now live on in Europe and North America would have been much less hospitable but there would still have been perfectly habitable zone's, the lower regions though that are now beneath sea level would have been extremely rich in minerals and deposits after all everything washes toward the sea under water erosion.
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posted on Apr, 29 2013 @ 08:15 PM
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The ancient civilizations are more likely along the rivers; specially major rivers rather than sea shore.

The ports on Saraswati and Indus rivers were hundreds of kilometers inland. Ships were much smaller and sea going ships (basically coastal ships) could also ply major rivers.

Ancient India had many river ports. The remains of some of these river ports have been found in modern times.

Rivers were the highways of ancient cultures. Waterways were the preferred means of moving goods. Atlantis culture built extensive canals on the island on which it flourished. Egypt used the Nile river for moving grains to heavy stone blocks.



posted on Apr, 29 2013 @ 08:35 PM
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Moon's gravitational pull is not enough to cause equatorial bulge on earth.



posted on Apr, 29 2013 @ 09:59 PM
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Slight correction: The moon is not moving away from us at 1 meter per year.

It's moving away from us at 3.82 cm per year



posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 02:55 AM
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Already posted and debunked. There are no out-of-place objects.



posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 04:00 AM
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I would like to post the following link:

www.karinya.com...

Every single word of this article is in agreement with Veda.

This is the wisdom expected of an advanced race.

The people who are still talking in terms of Christians, Muslim, Buddhist, Confucian, Hindus etc. are not the advanced ones.

An advanced race acknowledges there is only one God of all humans; this God is all love and wisdom; that a imperishable soul lives within each human being; and that each soul remembers its life experiences through each life form it passes; and each soul is subject to God's justice for its actions.

Vedic people did not build any temples and did not worship any deities except one formless God. The prayers are the Vedic hymns chanted with offerings to the holy fire.

The idea of temples and 'gods' has come from Egypt and Babylon to ancient India. This idea is an import that got adapted to the local tales by the corrupt kings and their greedy priests. Yes Hindu religion is a result of corruption of the powerful. The true and historic tradition of India is the Vedic tradition that does not contain any gods.



posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 09:05 AM
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And the Mesopotamians as well, unfortunately the Mongols destroyed most of those irrigation canals, The moon's gravitation now does not cause a NOTICABLE equatorial bulge (there is one though and the moon acts like the disc on a spinning top in that it helps to stabilises the earths rotation or it would be far more eccentric with a vast swing between the poles and the equator) but according to astrophysics (Based on the impact origin theory of the moon) when the moon was much closer it may have caused a slight bulge not like the tides of the ocean more like a slight flattening of the earth from pole to pole an effect also caused by the centrifugal spin of the earth on it's axis that is still noticed today as has been observed from space, the distance between the poles is shorter if you could measure it through the earth than the distance between two diametrically opposed point's on the equator.

I like your take on the Vedic religion, from the Christian perspective we only have one god and Christ is his son but god is in all of us as soul or spirit prior to the 3rd century of the Christian calendar there were sect's of Christianity that believed in reincarnation, the story goes that Emperor Constantine and his mother Helena decided that that interpretation should be removed as A sinner would believe he had more time to repent, that is one version I have heard anyway and they corrupted the Christian faith into a state religion to control the masses, Jesus said to his followers "only GOD is good", the Israelites never used temples until the time of David and the ark carried god's commandments, When Moses asked him whom he was the Lord replied "I AM THAT I AM" and never gave a name or description.

It may be semantics her but just maybe we are talking about the same being here.

Let's get this thread back on track now and call it a day for this stuff except were it concerns previous culture or civilisation.
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posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 09:05 AM
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So you are saying that every single out of place artifact listed (hundreds if not thousands) have all been debunked and that not one of them could be from a time period that does not match up?

I am sorry but I am going to have to respectfully disagree with you although I am aware of a few items listed that I have read allot on and I do know they are hoaxes.

The evidence is overwhelming that that bibles information is incorrect regarding timelines and should be taken with a grain of salt.



posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 09:28 AM
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Such as the engineered small metal cube found in a salt mine, embedded in the salt that nearly broke the drilling machine in the 1970's, or the Dropa stone's (Taking it that they are not fake - has anyone done an argon krypton dating) www.thelivingmoon.com...
nexusilluminati.blogspot.co.uk...
www.s8int.com...
spiritwindbelize.blogspot.co.uk...

While I will warrant that most OOPARTS are not really what they seem there is no fact in the statement that they have all been discredited or explained only opinion and we are all entitled to our own.



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