reply to post by Itisnowagain
Dewey, itsnoagain, and bb.
The three of you have quite a debate going on Grace. All three of you are right, you are simply not seeing why.
Grace is God's unconditional love, the free gift that was given to man and sealed by the promise of the resurrection. God unconditionally love's all
Let us look at the concept from a child's viewpoint since Christ believed that little children could understand him. God is the love inside your
heart. When you use your love to make a decision you receive love. When you do not use your love, you receive something else like anger. When you
receive anger you become emotionally separated from God. Not that you could ever be separate from love, simply love cannot be felt when you do not
use your love to make your choice.
Does that make since?
Dewey - you are so paranoid about a mark that it is causing you anxiety and you are judging others, by assuming you know who will and won't go to
heaven. You simply cannot make the claim that anyone deserves heaven, nor can you make the claim that Christ cannot save all. You are so convinced
of this Mark; your belief prevents you from realizing that God unconditionally loves everyone.
The RCC taught the message that condemns man; Jesus taught the message that frees a man. Anyone who was baptized into the RCC had to accept that
"Original sin" was a necessary part of life. Do you see the RCC taught us that we have to sin? Jesus taught us that we could become free from sin.
The anti-Christ has been revealed, the Mark already given.
The bible didn't get into the hands of believers until the end of the inquisition. You see no one could have been aware that the RCC was teaching a
false doctrine, simply because they killed all the elect, anyone who disagreed with their Religion.
Knowing what you know, would you have received the Mark or allowed yourself to be martyred. I believe that I would have no choice but to become a
Martyr. I simply cannot acknowledge anything less than God loves everyone unconditionally.
The bible says no one who sins can enter the Kingdome of heaven; it also says that anyone who receives the mark will not enter into the kingdom of
heaven. These concepts are the same; The Kingdome of heaven is the kingdom of love.
Can someone who is sinning and believed that they will die in their sin ever recognize the Kingdome of love? This is what is wrong with "free grace
cult" no one ever finds the kingdom of love if they believe they cannot become free from sin. They have condemned themselves to await the judgment of
Christ at the end times, along with all others who are in sin. Only the one who overcomes sin can realize the glory of the kingdom of love that we
are a part of and the promise of the better one to come. We are sons of God through Christ.
Anyone who is opposed to love is emotionally apart from the Kingdome of love. Repent and return to the Kingdom of love, by the Spirit of love.
You are marked by your choices, today's system, financial and religion is the beast. Because they teach us to sin, which keeps us apart from the
son/love of man. At least twice since Christ have people been required to take a "Mark" to continue to be a part of the system. The RCC required all
men to be baptized into the church or die. Hitler caused all the Jews to be marked and killed them anyway. Stop being paranoid of a mark. Rather
lose yourself in God's love so that you know you are safe.
Itsnoagain and bb. I realize that YOU both understand that it is impossible to be away from God. I know that you see that we are all eternal and
loved. This was a gift to you. Not all have received this gift. Many people have been raised to believe that they suffer from the disease called
"Original Sin". They believe that it is impossible for man to love one another fully, because to sin is to go against love. When they hear Jesus
they cannot hear him. Do you understand? They have believed something that has trapped them in a place apart from God.
Just because they are not apart from God, does not mean that emotionally they are not apart from God. Being emotionally disconnected from Love is
Hell. They are trapped in their sin awaiting their physical death at which time they believe they will be spiritually enlightened. This is true but
this falls far short of Jesus promise.
Jesus promise to change a man's character today. How can your character be changed when the foundation for changing your character goes against the
belief that you have staked your entire life on. Christians are wagering that God will forgive them but that they will only truly be spiritually
transformed after physical death. This is why Jesus says religion makes people children of hell, because religion separates what is in unity. This
religion is in contrast to love, therefore it is sin. Love is love; we need no religion to understand this.
You can't get any further away from the truth than this. You say there is no separation and for you this concept fits perfectly. We are all
different and we were all taught different things as children. There are brothers who are trapped in a world apart from God, not because they truly
are but because they believe it so.
This is why the doctrine of repentance is critical. They have to acknowledge that they have accepted a lie. They believed they would achieve heaven
by this lie, this is the ultimate brain wash. We need to help them see the truth. But for them Repentance is the only way.
For some can see through the dogma and realize that there was nothing to repent for, since you acted out of ignorance in believing in original sin.
But for some the only way their heart can change is to repent and turn back to love. They cannot simply feel the love of God and allow it to change
them. They have to hear the message, apply the teaching, and then they will know what you already know.
All three of you are right, because Grace is unconditional love that we can never truly be separated for.
Acknowledgement of sin and repentance is difficult for many people. This is why one should always start by teaching the child that God is love,
before he tries to explain anything more.
I hope all three of you understand what I am saying.
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