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3 good questions for christians/creationists

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posted on Apr, 18 2013 @ 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by Nightaudit
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Your argumentation is rather pathetic. Again, google evolution.

I can´t do anymore for you here.

If you believe that the existence of snakes is equal to proof for the physical of existence of angels.. Well, what can I even say about that?


I just proved to you with the original meaning of seraph, that seraphim were serpent beings. What's a serpent? A snake? Wait the serpent in the garden had legs before they were removed. What's a legged serpent? (i'm trying to get you to think outside of the box. you've been brainwashed to believe that the bible is either 100% accurate as it is translated, or false. this is not the case. it's not 100% accurate in its translation. there's translation bias in several places. Don't even get me started on the flood story!)




posted on Apr, 18 2013 @ 05:55 PM
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Well, Sir, I welcome you to go to a college and study physics for example.

There is not much else I can do you for you, I´m afraid.



posted on Apr, 18 2013 @ 05:56 PM
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You can laugh at that, fine, but if you really examine, from an evolutionary perspective, the evidence for intelligent design, well all I can say is prepare to be gobsmacked. Then from the new perspective and the new paradigm, you begin to realize that it doesn't matter precisely when and how it was done, with the only question becoming - how did he KNOW?!!!



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posted on Apr, 18 2013 @ 05:56 PM
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reply to post by Nightaudit
 

You didn't take the time to grasp it, you missed it.



posted on Apr, 18 2013 @ 05:57 PM
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Before we get into it, I have a question. Why do you feel I am on a high horse of wisdom? I always try to come across humbly in all my posts specifically because Christians are accused of this all the time. I think others on this site would disagree with your assessment of my attitude.



posted on Apr, 18 2013 @ 05:57 PM
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I´ve been trying to get you to think within reality.

You are not capable of that.

Let´s agree to disagree. it is too exhausting to debate people like you.

But here is one last chance, I will ask you the same questions i asked the other guy.

Well, in fact, let´s simplify it for you.

Here is a word and you just say what comes to mind.

Dinosaurs.

Go.



posted on Apr, 18 2013 @ 06:00 PM
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I feel that because of your very technical and specific questions about evolution that clearly cannot be answered by a "normally" educated human being.

You thereby indirectly infer that you HAVE this knowledge and can argue on that level.

When you afterwards try to defend genesis, as a viable theory of creation... Well that just does not fit together.
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posted on Apr, 18 2013 @ 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by Nightaudit
reply to post by undo
 


I´ve been trying to get you to think within reality.

You are not capable of that.

Let´s agree to disagree. it is too exhausting to debate people like you.

But here is one last chance, I will ask you the same questions i asked the other guy.

Well, in fact, let´s simplify it for you.

Here is a word and you just say what comes to mind.

Dinosaurs.

Go.


Here's a word for you.

Entrophy.

Go.
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posted on Apr, 18 2013 @ 06:01 PM
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Thanks for the good and direct questions to consider. I will try also to be direct.


Originally posted by Nightaudit
1: If you were born in a non christian country with a different main religion, would you still somehow end up a christian?
No. Like you, I left Christianity for similar reasons - and early in my life. However, it might have been different had I been brought up with a deeper understanding and practice of what Jesus was actually teaching, especially in terms of his esoteric teachings.


Originally posted by Nightaudit
2: How do you cope with the obviously wrong and horrible laws and statements in the bible?
Such statements are obviously the doings of man in his delusion, conflict, imbalance, and lack of fundamental understanding - not the words of the Divine.


Originally posted by Nightaudit
3: I personally would detest the god who pulled that stunt with Abraham and Isaac. Or the god who completely wipes out whole ecosystems including innocent animals, just because he doesn´t like the ways of men. I wouldn´t WANT that to be true.
Such a Creator God Idea is a man-made myth based on man's childish insecurities and a need to be taken care of by an ever-protective father. Not to mention the exploitation by various political and religious institutions to formalize and officialize this myth of a Creator-God who is separate from everyone and also elsewhere, to be sought and maybe saved by him some time in the future, if we behave like good children.

There is no such Creator God, nor is such a Great Other causing all these horrible events. Life in this world is inherently difficult but when combined with the collective stupidity of mankind living only on the basis of the ego-principle, it can truly be horrific.

However, we do not have to believe in such a Creator God to love and to discover God. In fact, all beliefs, all idealism are unnecessary, and often are an obstruction to discovering what is actually true. I recognize there is God, the Divine Person, but such a One is not separate from, nor causally related to, conditions.

All conditions do arise in God, who is not separate or elsewhere. But this is obviously not just another something to believe in - but clearly what is Reality can be revealed to us.

Jesus taught that no one is truly separate from God, and this is born out with his commandments of love. They are not possible if one is separate from God or Love itself. If Christians would live Jesus' commandments of love (his exoteric moral teaching) as fully as possible, combining this with Jesus' esoteric teachings of being born to here from above by the Light of the Divine Person above these mortal body-minds - Christianity would not be declining, and things would be very very different.
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posted on Apr, 18 2013 @ 06:01 PM
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here's another interesting tidbit:

It appears many of the biblical patriarchs were pharaohs. Yes, pharaohs. Adam was from the egyptian god of creation, ATUM, wihch is also a plural word. it should've said, THE ATUM created identical copies of themselves (clones), some were male and some were female, and named them after themselves, THE ATUM RACE. Remember, Mose (moses) wrote the Pentateuch (first 5 books of the bible), and he was raised in the house of Pharaoh Ahmose. He learned the egyptian version of the story of creation from the egyptian scribes and then, also from his hebrew mother. The end result was an amalgam that you see in the old testament.



posted on Apr, 18 2013 @ 06:01 PM
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1: it´s entropy

2: what are you trying to say?



posted on Apr, 18 2013 @ 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by Nightaudit
reply to post by micmerci
 


I feel that because of you´re very technical and specific questions about evolution that clearly cannot be answered by a "normally" educated human being.

You thereby indirectly infer that you HAVE this knowledge and can argue on that level.

When you afterwards try to defend genesis, as a viable theory of creation... Well that just does not fit together.


Don't you feel that if you are going to argue a position on a topic that you should be well versed in it in order to defend it?



posted on Apr, 18 2013 @ 06:03 PM
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Thank you for this awesome contribution! Highly appreciated.



posted on Apr, 18 2013 @ 06:03 PM
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Don´t you?



posted on Apr, 18 2013 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by Nightaudit
reply to post by micmerci
 


1: it´s entropy

2: what are you trying to say?


I was just trying to follow your lead of condescension.



posted on Apr, 18 2013 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by Nightaudit
reply to post by undo
 


I´ve been trying to get you to think within reality.

You are not capable of that.

Let´s agree to disagree. it is too exhausting to debate people like you.

But here is one last chance, I will ask you the same questions i asked the other guy.

Well, in fact, let´s simplify it for you.

Here is a word and you just say what comes to mind.

Dinosaurs.

Go.


that's what i've been trying to get you to say this whole time, on the topic of seraphim. a seraph is a reptile. and legged seraph is a reptilian or a dinosaur.



posted on Apr, 18 2013 @ 06:05 PM
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Care to come back from the ad hominem to the topic?

Dinos? Carbon dating? Anything of substance really?

Choose one.



posted on Apr, 18 2013 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by Nightaudit
reply to post by micmerci
 


Don´t you?


I certainly do. That is why I study the technical aspects of my stance instead of just referring people to museums, universities, and Google. I try to take ownership of my ideas and beliefs.



posted on Apr, 18 2013 @ 06:07 PM
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So you are saying that some Dinos cross bread with humans?

Really?

Do you think that very different species like that could produce a living organism?



posted on Apr, 18 2013 @ 06:07 PM
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Originally posted by Nightaudit
reply to post by micmerci
 


Care to come back from the ad hominem to the topic?

Dinos? Carbon dating? Anything of substance really?

Choose one.


Once again, I will follow your lead.

On topic, carbon dating accuracy only holds up up to 10K years.



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