Thatchers Funeral - Evidence of the Great Class Divide.

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posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 06:54 AM
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I know, but at least Churchill was a war time leader and all of the nation had to pull together, which they did - the old 'wartime spirit'.
This woman was responsible for some of the most divisive politics the nation has ever seen and sowed the seeds for the profit motivated, greed infused politics - for - business that we endure today.




posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 07:02 AM
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Actually was this a funeral or a party at the pig trough?
I'm seen less smiley faces and fascinators at a wedding...



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 07:09 AM
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I think it's one huge tribal gloat - wouldn't see any one there going to a food bank.



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 07:12 AM
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Churchills funeral, typically sombre...


Thatchers funeral..


Answers on a postcard with this one...Looks like a quiet goodbloodyriddance to me.



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 07:13 AM
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"The protesters were in the minority"

Yes because half of the north isnt going to waste their money to come down to london to make their feelings known.



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 07:13 AM
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I was there... had to walk along the route to get to work... personally I didn't see any real protest, just a few randoms with signs, there was a lot more people than I thought there would be.

Turning up to a funeral to protest is a great way to show your better than Thatcher... oh the irony.

Also heard Nelson Mandela's daughter was invited as he's too frail to attend, that's a shame.

Carry on....
edit on 17-4-2013 by II HAL II because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 07:20 AM
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Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
"The protesters were in the minority"

Yes because half of the north isnt going to waste their money to come down to london to make their feelings known.


HA! £174 Return rail fare from where I am today!



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 07:24 AM
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Originally posted by Suspiria

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
"The protesters were in the minority"

Yes because half of the north isnt going to waste their money to come down to london to make their feelings known.


HA! £174 Return rail fare from where I am today!


I certainly dont have £174 to waste



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 07:38 AM
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maggie was the worst thing to happen to us since ww2! its cost us 10 million which we have to pay for just like we have to pay for being ripped off by the banking system while the elite and their political puppets laugh at us and continue to oppress us. it makes me sick to the very core of my being! the bbc and all the papers are trying to turn maggie into a saint! for destroying the social and industrial fabric of england and selling of national assets! christ it makes me sick!



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
- Backhanding of the Youth
The youth of this country have been slagged off for having an opinion on thacther and her time in power. "You weren't around when she was running the country, your hate is learned, you've got no morals" And yet, this is the generation who has been left BROKEN by thatcherism. No social housing, no well paid secure jobs, the cost of living has sky rocketed since the privatization of state assets: Gas, Electric, Water, Transport etc.


I don't want to try to turn this thread into yet another "Thatcher was great", "no she wasn't", "yes she was" thread full of bitching and endless rhetoric from all angles, however, I must say that I find blaming all of these soley on Thatcher, or "thatcherism", to be a bit ridiculous.

Since the end of Thatcher's term of office in 1990, we have had:

1990 - 1997, 7 years of Conservative from John Major
1997 - 2007, 10 years of Labour from Tony Blair
2007 - 2010, 3 years of Labour from Gordown Brown
2010 - present, (currently) 3 years of Conservative-Liberal Democrat Coalition from David Cameron (and Nick Clegg)

That will be 23 years this 28th of November since Thatcher, and what have we / they done to 'correct' these 'problems'?

Perhaps I am missing something here, but I think resting blame entirely on Thatcher some two decades after she was in power is somewhat egregious.



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 07:46 AM
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Like dealing with any disease, it's always proper to trace the spread to it's source.



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 07:48 AM
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i think I've made my opinions about Thatcher and the fact taxpayers have to pay for her funeral pretty well known - but I've got to say everybody deserves some dignity when being buried.

It's irrelevant that she showed very little dignity or compassion towards those who have suffered as a direct result of her policies - two wrongs and all that.

I just hope that discussions about her 'legacy' aren't forgotten now that her funeral has taken place - if we are to understand the motivations behind the current governments policies and it's objectives it is imperative we understand that which preceeded and inspired them.
edit on 17/4/13 by Freeborn because: spelling



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 07:53 AM
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Originally posted by NoMatterNeverMind

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
- Backhanding of the Youth
The youth of this country have been slagged off for having an opinion on thacther and her time in power. "You weren't around when she was running the country, your hate is learned, you've got no morals" And yet, this is the generation who has been left BROKEN by thatcherism. No social housing, no well paid secure jobs, the cost of living has sky rocketed since the privatization of state assets: Gas, Electric, Water, Transport etc.


I don't want to try to turn this thread into yet another "Thatcher was great", "no she wasn't", "yes she was" thread full of bitching and endless rhetoric from all angles, however, I must say that I find blaming all of these soley on Thatcher, or "thatcherism", to be a bit ridiculous.

Since the end of Thatcher's term of office in 1990, we have had:

1990 - 1997, 7 years of Conservative from John Major
1997 - 2007, 10 years of Labour from Tony Blair
2007 - 2010, 3 years of Labour from Gordown Brown
2010 - present, (currently) 3 years of Conservative-Liberal Democrat Coalition from David Cameron (and Nick Clegg)

That will be 23 years this 28th of November since Thatcher, and what have we / they done to 'correct' these 'problems'?

Perhaps I am missing something here, but I think resting blame entirely on Thatcher some two decades after she was in power is somewhat egregious.


With respect, this thread is just about highlighting the clear class divide that has shown itself brutally in this country since her passing. What You've quoted regarding the backhanding of youth, was placed in this thread to show how the right has tried to silence the youth, to impose the idea that they know nothing of history or politics, by telling them they weren't around at the time and therefore their view points are mute. But contradictory to the point, if those same people were to have an opinion on Hitler or Saddam's politics, any "disrespectful" remark would be allowed, perhaps even welcomed.
Class divide - Tory's dont want one of their own (that they booted out of office) to go to the grave as nothing short of a martyr to right wing ideology.



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 07:54 AM
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I 100% agree....whilst it was natural and right that many have wanted to discuss how the Thatcher year's impacted much of British society in such a negative way....I feel it is important we carry forward with that on focussing on the impact that this government and those in-between continue to have on our society. For many of us it started with Thatcher....but it didn't stop there!



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 07:57 AM
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Of course not everything that is wrong today can be blamed on Thatcher.....but many of today's problems can be directly traced back to her policies - and it's impossible to underestimate the effect and 'inspiration' she was to the current rabble.

However, it is equally correct to point out that every Prime Minister that has followed has in various ways compounded the problems and contributed to the current situation.



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 08:00 AM
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‘In a way we are all Thatcherites now because one of the things about her legacy is that some of those big arguments that she had everyone now accepts."


Say what Dave?



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 08:01 AM
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Originally posted by SearchLightsInc

Originally posted by AmberLeaf
Most of the people on the streets were tourists according to the news.

The protests were happening but were avoided by the media to make out everyone loved the woman. Plenty of pictures on twitter of people holding signs against the woman, none made it onto the tv.

£18m for all this, maybe a bit more. Straight out of the taxpayers pocket, we wasnt asked, we were told we would be paying for it.

Democracy my arse


Hear Hear, Have you got a link to the twitter pics?


Nice fabrication in your OP. In the 24 hours after her death there were interviews and comments on the BBC from Peter Hatton (chief thief of Liverpool council, radical left wing hypocrite), George Galloway (self opinionated twat), Tony Benn (dinosaur but he does like the sound of his own voice) and Gerry Adams (mouthpiece of the IRA during Thatchers terms as PM). Strangely they didn't have a lot of praise to give. Also, many soundbites from union leaders who expressed in their own unique way how sad they were that the Thatcher government stopped the unions effectively ruining the country. Maybe you were watching a different channel?

I'm no member of the elite but I'm just about old enough to remember this country as the shambles it was in the '70's - I don't know if you are, but if you had been then you may just be able to understand (unless you were a disciple of chief scum Scargil - the real villain of the piece) why radical change was necessary.



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 08:02 AM
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Originally posted by Suspiria
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Like dealing with any disease, it's always proper to trace the spread to it's source.



So, okay. Now that Thatcher is dead, what happens to all the 'problems' that she left and 23 years of not rectifying them?



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 08:04 AM
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Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
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She "won" her battles? Did you miss the part about putting 3-5 million people out of work, effecting and destroying many families, the loss of secure well paid jobs where people could actually have a dispute with their employer? The loss of industrial skill sets, such as ship building, steel working?

You dont think there's a little more to it than people feeling defeated by this woman?


Sheesh, I hope you never go into politics or finance. As emotive as the subject is, do you know how many industries were working at a loss? Do you think that should have continued ad infinitum until the UK was completely bankrupt? You come out with socialist worker rhetoric which has no backing in fact - notice how no large private companies took on the opportunity to rebuild those industries in the UK? Why do you think that is?



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 08:07 AM
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Originally posted by something wicked

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc

Originally posted by AmberLeaf
Most of the people on the streets were tourists according to the news.

The protests were happening but were avoided by the media to make out everyone loved the woman. Plenty of pictures on twitter of people holding signs against the woman, none made it onto the tv.

£18m for all this, maybe a bit more. Straight out of the taxpayers pocket, we wasnt asked, we were told we would be paying for it.

Democracy my arse


Hear Hear, Have you got a link to the twitter pics?


Nice fabrication in your OP. In the 24 hours after her death there were interviews and comments on the BBC from Peter Hatton (chief thief of Liverpool council, radical left wing hypocrite), George Galloway (self opinionated twat), Tony Benn (dinosaur but he does like the sound of his own voice) and Gerry Adams (mouthpiece of the IRA during Thatchers terms as PM). Strangely they didn't have a lot of praise to give. Also, many soundbites from union leaders who expressed in their own unique way how sad they were that the Thatcher government stopped the unions effectively ruining the country. Maybe you were watching a different channel?


No im certain it was the BBC and i didnt see any of what you claimed to have been aired so either im lying or there was more ass kissing of thatcher than there were down to earth opinions on her passing? I suppose i can already tell where you stand on the political scale when you refer to Tony Benn as a dinosaur who likes the sound of his own voice - No respect for the living have you? At least that "dinosaur" has a heart and a greater understanding of the country he has lived in and served, The same cant be said for the majority of the conservative benches



I'm no member of the elite but I'm just about old enough to remember this country as the shambles it was in the '70's - I don't know if you are, but if you had been then you may just be able to understand (unless you were a disciple of chief scum Scargil - the real villain of the piece) why radical change was necessary.


Change was necessary, putting 3-5 million people on the breadline was not. All that was missing from her 11 years in power was gold star's sown onto coats and train cattle carriages to hide the destruction from public view once and for all.





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