Who else has the nagging feeling that this election was a fraud ?

Hmm... The REAL Scandal = What kind of a Moronic Idiotic Mush for
Brain (Washed) Retard lives in a "Red State"? Bush has done nothing but LIE for Four Years! The Economy of Rural America has been Depressed since like Forever & it is not getting better any time soon folks!!! So now they want 4 more Years of the same - yeah they love it! I read some of these peoples various postings on ATS - pure Intellectual Genius (HA, HA, HA, HA, HA - Funny)!

I Guarantee Bush is going to End up Invading another "Evil" Country now - so Plenty of more People on Both sides will Die - Hence increasing the Suffering, Misery & Despair! How many people Realize that U.S. Forces have Killed at lease 3000 Iraqi CHILDREN since the beginning of the War = as many as were killed on 9/11 - Yeah I am SURE that we are there to win their "Hearts & Minds".

They voted for Bush because he is a "Christian" like them (Wink, Wink ;-)
They have simply been Brainwashed!!! That�s the only way that I could wrap my Mind around it!


[edit on 4-11-2004 by Seraphim_Serpente]

Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente
Hmm... The REAL Scandal = What kind of a Moronic Idiotic Mush for
Brain (Washed) Retard lives in a "Red State"? Bush has done nothing but LIE for Four Years! The Economy of Rural America has been Depressed since like Forever & it is not getting better any time soon folks!!! So now they want 4 more Years of the same - yeah they love it! I read some of these peoples various postings on ATS - pure Intellectual Genius (HA, HA, HA, HA, HA - Funny)!

I Guarantee Bush is going to End up Invading another "Evil" Country now - so Plenty of more People on Both sides will Die - Hence increasing the Suffering, Misery & Despair! How many people Realize that U.S. Forces have Killed at lease 3000 Iraqi CHILDREN since the beginning of the War = as many as were killed on 9/11 - Yeah I am SURE that we are there to win their "Hearts & Minds".

They voted for Bush because he is a "Christian" like them (Wink, Wink ;-)
They have simply been Brainwashed!!! That�s the only way that I could wrap my Mind around it!

[edit on 4-11-2004 by Seraphim_Serpente]

luvs it, i agree

i just can not believe that some ppl are still justifing this with 9/11

i bet countries around the world are mocking us now

Originally posted by Tiffer168
Why is it there arent any true republicans anymore? Many are just church driven facists? true republicanism is dead.

True Republicans haven't changed a bit. They're just called "Church-Driven Fascists" now, apparently.

Originally posted by KrazyJethro

Originally posted by IBM
The burden of proof does not lie on edsinger but the person who accuses, the Proscution has to prove, not the defense. The author of this thread must prove it.

Perhaps, but this is not an accusation of a person, or you. There are two sides in an emotionless topic.

He can not prove it's true, and you can't prove it's not. See no one in America can prove it either way unless they work for the Electronic Voting Machine Companies (and only a select ones at that).

So why fight him on it?

You'll lose as badly as him?


By the way, nice shift.

[edit on 4-11-2004 by KrazyJethro]

He does not even have "probable cause" to warrant such an issue, if he had some suspicions that were aroused legitimatly not by imagination then it would be ok. ATS requires legitimate topics, and this is not one that need be further pursued.

Let's think about how many times we have heard / read the term mind control or brain wahed in conjunction with the election.....

This has been fairly active over the past few weeks.

Electromagnetic weapons have been used in tectonic warfare, intentionally causing earthquakes. Electromagnetic pulse energy accompanies most earthquakes. Research shows that ultra low frequencies emitted by the HAARP installation may affect the human limbic system, and be used for mood management and mind control.

From this link.

Researcher Kent Steadman of the CyberSpace ORBIT website noted the following, concerning weather radar systems that have beeen picking up phenomena which appear to be electromagnetic/radio frequency in nature: which have preceded the development of unusually severe weather; which also definitely correlate with eathquakes, and possibly correlate to highly troubling events indicative of mind control operations

From this link

And there has been alot of seismic activity and strange weather, both of which can be side effects of using this mind control weapon.

*Disclaimer...Not that I really think this. This information came up in conjunction with another project I am working on and I thought it an amusing side note. Personally, I do believe our govt is doing something covert which is causing these anomolies. I wouldn't be surprised if we lose power or communications but I doubt they used HAARP to win the election.

Originally posted by bluemooone

No way was this election fixed. Bush was going to win it, period that's all. I can't believe that people would actually accept that an election could be fixed, it's ridiculous to even think about it, so forget it don't even go there. Bush was the better man, accept it people.

Originally posted by HarmoniusOne
Personally, I do believe our govt is doing something covert which is causing these anomolies. I wouldn't be surprised if we lose power or communications but I doubt they used HAARP to win the election.

I don't care how crazy it sounds, this gets my vote as the absolute coolest theory explaining why Bush won the election.

Blows the doors off of "Bush is an alien" and "Bush is the Anti-Christ".

Well done!

Originally posted by Rosym38

No way was this election fixed. Bush was going to win it, period that's all. I can't believe that people would actually accept that an election could be fixed, it's ridiculous to even think about it, so forget it don't even go there. Bush was the better man, accept it people.

this is what's known as 'blind faith' in objectivist circles. even if the machines weren't rigged(HAHA!), they WERE performing horribly, and are NOT RELIABLE, NOT ACCOUNTABLE, and NOT SAFE. so, 'no way was this election fixed' is an unfounded blast of personal opinion with no basis in reality.
bush is an idiot. should i post nine hundred(and eleven) of the completely imbicilic things he's said? 'the past is over', 'americans need to put food on the family', etc? if that's the 'best man' the huge population of america can offer, .....well, fill in the blank.

there was no election. it was a play. government as theatre. money rules. deal with it. and now, one of these to further my argument......

Originally posted by billybob
bush is an idiot.

This means that the Democrats just had their derrieres handed to them by an idiot. A dubious distinction.

A party that can be politically outmaneuvered by an idiot has no business running my country.

Edit: Redacti Decorae


[edit on 11/4/2004 by Majic]

Originally posted by Majic

Originally posted by billybob
bush is an idiot.

A party that can be politically outmaneuvered by an idiot has no business running my country.
Just curious.

i wonder who really won? maybe it was badnarik. that would be cool, uh heh heh heh, ya, cool.
it wouldn't matter if kerry won. they are no dems and repubs, there are only globalist puppets doing smoke and mirror majic, majic. diebold voted for bush. that is all. if they wanted kerry, they would have him. it would only be to appease the masses.

and if you check the 'bragging rights' thread, you will see that i predicted that a dumbed down america would vote bush back in because they identify with him. kerry is disliked because he is too intellectual. anyway, he conceded way too early. it was close, even in the puppet show. bush and kerry are cousins, related to the house of windsor, and they are both bonesmen.

so, in short, damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Originally posted by billybob
....
this is what's known as 'blind faith' in objectivist circles. even if the machines weren't rigged(HAHA!), they WERE performing horribly, and are NOT RELIABLE, NOT ACCOUNTABLE, and NOT SAFE. so, 'no way was this election fixed' is an unfounded blast of personal opinion with no basis in reality.
bush is an idiot. should i post nine hundred(and eleven) of the completely imbicilic things he's said? 'the past is over', 'americans need to put food on the family', etc? if that's the 'best man' the huge population of america can offer, .....well, fill in the blank.

there was no election. it was a play. government as theatre. money rules. deal with it. and now, one of these to further my argument......

......
i wonder who really won? maybe it was badnarik. that would be cool, uh heh heh heh, ya, cool.
it wouldn't matter if kerry won. they are no dems and repubs, there are only globalist puppets doing smoke and mirror majic, majic. diebold voted for bush. that is all. if they wanted kerry, they would have him. it would only be to appease the masses.

silly bob, u needed to make that post 40 mins earlier. (j/k)
yeah lol i voted badnarik and got my cousin to do it too. that was cool, (does butthead laugh).

Quote: "money rules. deal with it.".

Ah the Real Truth - thanks for spitting it out! This election certainly WAS a Great Show!!! Maybe because the stakes are so high & because we are talking about REAL People here - the "United" States does not seem to be all that "United"!!!

Perhaps we should break up into 3 different Countries - The West Coast - the North East & the "Bible Belt"!!!

Due to the simple expediency of 200 lines of code re-programming ANY Diebold machine on demand.

Due to the constant practice of Democrats being culled off the voter rolls.

Due to the absolute silencing of all third parties, their platforms, their candidates and all debate they might have created--

However, with a choice of ONE Satanist Skull and Bones FRAT man or ANOTHER Satanist Skull and Bones FRAT man, the choices weren't really profound in the first place, now were they???

S&B Candidate One or S&B Candidate Two, the puppeteers are the same. It really didn't matter at all, did it?

So--there is absolutely no doubt that this election was fixed, so that the puppeteers would remain the same.

I feel really sorry for Bush. He is clearly in over his head; and I don't know how much longer he is going to be able to stand the strain, the parody and the ridicule. That's real tough on an ego rubbed raw by the media.

They can accuse, rant and take to the streets, make a movie how Americans were had with rigged elections, march in the streets, and you know what??? NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. We will spend another 4 more years protesting this, dwelling on what could have been, betchin and moaning here and NOTHING WILL BE DONE.

We're screwed.

Evil prevails. Im shocked to see the evil in this nation.
I wonder if Republicans hands were trembling tuesday as they cast their ballot.
Talk about creating a monster. Pure evil in the US

Originally posted by LadyV

Originally posted by smokenmirrors
Integrity, truth and morality won this election for the Republicans.

BULL! Religion has NO business in our government! BUT even if you want to look at it this way....you bible thumpers are in for such a surprise! Actions speak louder than words....he may say he is a Christian but his actions are not the actions of man that follows any teaching of Jesus, at least not as I understand it....of course a lot of Christians say one thing and do another...why is it that you think that America will always be sitting at the top of the heap....it won't...it is heading down hill quickly, and I don't think we will be able to survive another four years of Bushes type of morality! Why is it that you Bushers, seem to think it's ok to kill steal and lie? Why are you more concerned about what two people do privately, than breaking all of the Christians 10 commandments? How truly odd this is to me......

Lady V, I see that there are some things that we agree with . Here's something that my brother-in-law sent me, that was written by a lady and what she had to say, when she compares George w Bush's so-called Christain beleives, to the Holy Father's Words.

No Longer a Christian
by Karen Horst Cobb

I was told in Sunday school the word "Christian" means to be Christ-like, but the message I hear daily on the airwaves from the �christian � media are words of war, violence, and aggression. Throughout this article I will spell christian with a small c rather than a capital, since the term (as I usually hear it thrown about) does not refer to the teachings of the one I know as the Christ. I hear church goers call in to radio programs and explain that it was a mistake not to kill every living thing in Fallujah. They quote chapter and verse from the old testament about smiting the enemies of Israel. The fear of fighting the terrorists on our soil rather than across the globe causes the voices to be raised as they justify the latest prison scandal or other accounts of the horrors of war . The words they speak are words of destruction, aggression, dominance, revenge, fear and arrogance. The host and the callers echo the belief in the righteousness of our nation's killing. There are reminders to pray for our �christian� president who is doing the work of the Lord: Right to Life, Second Amendmendment, sanctity of marriage, welfare reform, war, kill, evil liberals. . . so much to fight, so much to destroy.
Let me tell you about the Christ I know. He was conceived by an unmarried woman. He was not born into a family of privilege. He was a radical. He said, �It was said an eye for and eye and a tooth of a tooth, but now I say love your enemies and bless those who curse you.� He said, �Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are those who mourn for they shall be comforted. Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God.� (Mattew 5: 3-9) He said, �All those who are called by my name will enter the kingdom of heaven." He said, "People will know true believers if they have the fruit of the spirit--love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, self control.�

He knew he would be led like a sheep to the slaughter. He responded with �Father forgive them.� He explained that in Christ there is neither Jew nor gentile, slave or free male nor female. He explained that even to be angry is akin to murder. He said the temple of God is not a building, but is in the hearts of those are called by his name. He was called "the Prince of Peace." His final days were spent in prayer, so that he could endure what was set before him, not on how he could overpower the evil government of that day. When they came for him he was led away and didn�t resist his death sentence.

This is a stark contrast to the call of the religious christian right, who vote for war and weapons, and suggest towns and villages be leveled to bring freedom and peace to the people. They proudly boast this country�s superiority, suggesting God has blessed our nation. Today, as I listened to a popular christian news network, I was reminded that in the last days, even God�s elect will be deceived, (II Timothy 3:13). When the religious media moguls preaching prosperity spout their rhetoric, I am reminded of the difficulty Jesus described of a rich man�s ability to enter the kingdom of God. (Matthew 19: 24) (www.4religious-right.info...) Some who believe they are fighting evil will cry to the Lord, and he will say �I never knew you.� (Matthew 22). They will have a form or godliness but will deny the power (II Timothy 3:5) to move mountains through prayer. (Matthew 17:20). Jesus explained that he has not given us a spirit of fear, but a spirit of power, love, and a sound mind. (II Timothy 1:17) I wonder if the innocent moms and dads, brothers and sisters, and aunts and uncles, and grandmas and grandpas who were the victims of US military weapons (the never reported collateral damages we are protected from in the �liberal� nightly news) felt the love of Jesus with the shock and awe. I wonder if the surviving family members now understand His radical love and that they no longer have any need for weapons or defense.

The solutions to the social issues used to manipulate good, decent people have no resemblance to how Jesus responded to the social concerns of his time. He never once mentioned the �right to life� the year he was born King Herod ordered the execution of all babies. (Matthew 2:16). He knew that passing laws does not change the heart. As a follower of his teaching I believe in the right to life, including the children in Iraq who stumble onto land mines, cross the street at the wrong time, or who are snuggly tucked within the warm bellies of their wounded or grieving mothers as US fighter jets fly overhead. These are living, breathing children. The killing of these little ones are never even reported, and our tax dollars pay for these bombs. I believe in the right to life for those in the United States who are unwanted and impoversihed. I believe in the right to life of the naive kid who was promised by the recruiter they could choose a desk job and still get their education paid or could see the world or could accelerate their life or could play a very realistic video game from a cockpit.

I've worked at a shelter, and I know first hand the reality of unwanted children. I know the reality of this right wing rhetoric when week after week I begged and pleaded with people to give up only one night every three months to sit with these unwanted living children for a few hours while the overworked house parents had a night off. Of the few I found, many changed their minds when they discovered that they would need to wear rubber gloves to change the babies diapers. These �believers� stand on the street corners holding right to life signs and then vote against medical assistance for the mothers and their unwanted children creating an impossible existence for them. The few of these abortion activists who might adopt some of these unwanted children generally want the white and the healthy. The ones with hydrocephalous, tracheotomies, emotional/ mental problems and communicable diseases along with their life long medical expenses can be someone else�s problems.

I cringe as many christians vote for policies that deny help to the poor in our own county, who vote to support the war and military strength, assuring the latest weapons are developed and that the heavens will be dominated by the military of the United States. We develop electromagnetic weapons to shatter skulls , split the earth (www.raven1.net...) and silently destroy a body as a thief in the night. Studies are even now searching for the frequencies to override the freewill. These unbelievable technologies are a reality and DNA specific weapons can or soon will target a specific nationality (www.arabicnews.com... ).I weep as the waters Jesus walked on become contaminated with uranium. (www.greendove.net...) I grieve as the missiles fly through the atmosphere on the continent where Jesus rose into the sky, defying death and the grave and where the Holy Sprit first descended. I cry out at the horrors of war and the indignity of the prisons so close to where He took captivity captive. So I am no longer a christian if Christianity has become what is presented to us by our christian president and christian media. Icannot support the right of the United States and Israel to develop and use the most heinous weapons ever imagined. I want no part of a temple built on the blood of the innocent. The sheep have been lead astray by the teachings of prosperity and misinterpretation of the final battle between good and evil. Many no longer can recognize the voice of the good Shepard.

Some �good christians� even work at weapons facilities. It is not a stretch to say that a woman who tightens a last rivet on a shiny new missile just off the assembly line might be the same woman who licks the gold star on the attendance chart in morning Sunday school. The missile could be launched by the kid in the youth group who reads the invocation and it will find it�s destiny at a �target of interest� which might or might not have been a result of good intelligence. The collection plate circulates children are taught to love their enemies and bless those who curse them.

The statements and lifestyle of Jesus are difficult for me to understand. What would he say to evil dictators? This God would not justify 15,000 or more deaths. Even the wrathful jealous God of the old testament spared whole cities for a few righteous souls. For christians, to support mass killings as a way to prevent future deaths is not at all like Christ. He would not say,"When I am talking about war I am really talking about peace," like the self professed christian President proudly states. Who but God has the right to determine what price a people should pay for their freedom? The religious leaders on the airwaves today respond to the voices of the few brave peacemakers who dare to speak out. They say that pacifism is insane, and that it doesn�t make sense, but what is forgotten is that logic and faith are separate entities. I believe in the example of Jesus and his admonition to love your enemies and bless those who curse you . Do I understand how this works on the global scale? Do I know what Jesus would say to all the world�s leaders? No, nor do I totally understand how the example of Christ�s life and his message of love works in the world today. That�s why I need faith. Am I always correct in my assessments and actions? No, that�s why I need grace. Am I brave and unafraid? No, that�s why I need the perfect love that casts out fear. Some put trust in Chariots and some in horses but I will remember the name of the lord our God--the Prince of Peace. Perhaps politics has no place for imitators of Christ.

Who will show the face of Christ to the world? Who will speak His radical message? I hear from these so called imitators of Christ that the pacifists are a collection of kids, hippies, socialists and communists who haven�t got a clue. Some of us, however, have come to our beliefs as a result of careful and prayerful study of the scriptures and admonishment from our elders. Many are Mennonite, Amish, Quaker and other Anabaptists, whose ancestors did not resist their torturers and were drowned, burnt at the stake and flogged for their pacifist stand. They truly followed the example of Christ, and their resistance against the catastrophic effects of the merging of church and state cost them a great price. Churches today have signed onto the government plan and have agreed to look the other way in exchange for tax free privileges. The true message of Christ still exists to some degree in the quiet of the land to peacemakers, but sadly these good people have been deceived by the angry words from a righteous sounding religious media majority broadcasting in cars and trucks and tractors all over our land ironically preaching the �good news of war for peace� and convincing 24-7 �liberal� bashing. I suspect there are many who share my sorrow at the loss of what it means to be Christ-like, but our voice is seldom heard. The blaring rhetoric drowns out the still small voice of the mighty God. Peace used be the opposite of war, Conservative used to mean the tendency to conserve resources. Liberal used to mean kind and generous, and Christian used to mean like Christ.

So I am no longer a christian but just a person who continues trying to follow the example of Christ. I�ll let him call me what he wants when I see him face to face. Until then, I will pray that someday people like me will be able to reclaim the meaning of Christ�s identity, and the world will see the effects of the radical message of Christ�s love--the perfect love that casts out fear.

Karen Cobb is a freelance writer and artist in Santa Fe, NM and can be contacted at [email protected].

The blaring rhetoric drowns out the still small voice of the mighty God. Peace used be the opposite of war, Conservative used to mean the tendency to conserve resources. Liberal used to mean kind and generous, and Christian used to mean like Christ.

that's newspeak for ya. quite the powerful spell it casts.
i'll put the new meanings in quotes. -now a conservative is a 'lefty tree hugger', robber barons are 'conservatives', liberals are 'socialists', robber barons are 'liberals', intolerant fascists are 'christians', and christians are 'cowards'.

yuck.

Originally posted by dh
Most interestting that Bush wins on the votes of the born-again Christians, when he is in fact a practising Satanist, as indeed are most of the God-channel type leaders, the Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses. Most of theses so-called Christian shmucks right at the top are only good for summoning demons on the death energy of single children and adults or through mass dearhs and genocides
Bush is a little darting-eyed semi-human at the center of this
Trash him and his regime
The time is immanent

i cannot speak on behalf of any of this or anyone in those organizations with the exception of Jehovah witness's they ARE NOT Satanists! i use to be one and grew up in the belief and i can assure u that they are not, they might be guilty of segregation and perhaps referring to God as Jehovah (the English translation of Yahweh a Hebrew name for GOD) is another way of segregation so they may be a little misguided and simply want to separate themselves from everyone else with some of their practices but if u look around everyone is doing that lately,, segregation is a really big problem lately

Originally posted by dh
Most interestting that Bush wins on the votes of the born-again Christians, when he is in fact a practising Satanist, as indeed are most of the God-channel type leaders, the Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses. Most of theses so-called Christian shmucks right at the top are only good for summoning demons on the death energy of single children and adults or through mass dearhs and genocides
Bush is a little darting-eyed semi-human at the center of this
Trash him and his regime
The time is immanent

uhh....right. Can you back this up with any proof?

---pineapple

Quote: ***"I was told in Sunday school the word "Christian" means to be Christ-like, but the message I hear daily on the airwaves from the �christian� media are words of WAR, Violence, and Aggression. Throughout this article I will spell christian with a small c rather than a capital, since the term (as I usually hear it thrown about) does not refer to the teachings of the one I know as the Christ. They quote chapter and verse from the Old Testament about smiting the enemies of Israel.

Let me tell you about the Christ I know. He was conceived by an unmarried woman. He was not born into a family of privilege. He was a radical. He said, �It was said an eye for and eye and a tooth of a tooth, but now I say love your enemies and bless those who curse you.� He said, "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God.� (Mattew 5: 3-9) He said, �All those who are called by my name will enter the kingdom of heaven."

He said, "People will know true believers if they have the fruit of the spirit--love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, self control.�

He knew he would be led like a sheep to the slaughter. He responded with �Father forgive them.� He explained that in Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile, slave or free, male nor female.

He said the temple of God is not a building, but is in the hearts of those are called by his name. He was called "the Prince of Peace."

This is a stark contrast to the call of the religious christian right, who vote for war and weapons.

As a follower of his teaching I believe in the right to life, including the children in Iraq who stumble onto land mines - These are living, breathing children. The killing of these little ones are never even reported, and our tax dollars pay for these bombs.

So I am no longer a christian if Christianity has become what is presented to us by our christian President and christian media. I cannot support the right of the United States and Israel to develop and use the most heinous weapons ever imagined. I want no part of a temple built on the blood of the innocent. The sheep have been lead astray by the teachings of prosperity and misinterpretation of the final battle between good and evil. Many no longer can recognize the voice of the good Shepard.

I hear from these so called imitators of Christ that the pacifists are a collection of kids, hippies, socialists and communists who haven�t got a clue. Some of us, however, have come to our beliefs as a result of careful and prayerful study of the scriptures and admonishment from our elders.

Churches today have signed onto the Government plan and have agreed to look the other way in exchange for tax free privileges. The true message of Christ still exists to some degree in the quiet of the land to peacemakers, but sadly these good people have been deceived by the angry words from a righteous sounding religious media majority broadcasting in cars and trucks and tractors all over our land ironically preaching the �good news of war for peace�.

*I suspect there are many who share my sorrow at the loss of what it means to be Christ-like, but our voice is seldom heard.*

*Conservative used to mean the tendency to conserve resources. Liberal used to mean kind and generous, and Christian used to mean like Christ.*

So I am no longer a christian but just a person who continues trying to follow the example of Christ. I�ll let him call me what he wants when I see him face to face. Until then, I will pray that someday people like me will be able to reclaim the meaning of Christ�s identity, and the world will see the effects of the radical message of Christ�s love--the perfect love that casts out fear."***

Amen Sister!