Who else has the nagging feeling that this election was a fraud ?

Originally posted by bluemooone
Are We REALLY gona believe THIS ?//? images.usatoday.com...

[edit on 3-11-2004 by bluemooone]

Its called FRAUD

There will always be overzealous partisans who attempt to take shortcuts to victory. I don't doubt that someone will turn up some instances of electoral fraud, but they will be limited and of no decisive consequence. Does anyone really imagine that if fraud was so pervasive, that the Democratic Party and its legions of lawyers would have stood idly by?

You may want to turn your efforts to more constructive pursuits, like reforming the mechanics of the electoral system. This would reduce significantly the opportunity for fraud. Here are some suggestions:

1. Standardized voting procedures, instead of the current hodgepodge from county to county.

2. Establish a national election commission, independent of the parties, and end the conflict of interests. I find it amazing that the Ohio election was being run by a Republican organizor!

3. Stop trying to elect for every conceivable national, state and local office, from dog catcher to president, on the same day. How confusing must that be?

4. Have the same election commission (2 above) responsible for voter registration. What happened in Ohio is inexcusable, but the inevitable result of having parties running the system.

Originally posted by bluemooone
Something is serioslly wrong here people. The computers were hacked. Any 14 year old scrypt kiddie could have done it. A war room somewhere may have easlly changed 50,000,000 votes . All is not well here . something is wrong. [edit on 3-11-2004 by bluemooone]

[edit on 3-11-2004 by bluemooone]

Sad thing is you probably believe this!

Originally posted by edsinger

Sad thing is you probably believe this!

Prove him wrong.

From www.Diebold.com
The AccuVote-TSX� stand alone touch screen system provides voters with an entirely new state-of-the-art, light weight design that represents a major leap forward in voting technology. Our reliable systems accurately and securely capture each vote.

Diebold Industries, who provided the voting machines for the 2004 election are also the proud makers of such products as:

-Currency processing systems for casinos
-Drive-thru Pneumatic Systems for pharmacies
-ATMs, cash dispensers & other self-service terminals
-Electronic security products and Security monitoring
-Verdi & Company distribution channel consulting
-retail cash management and security just to name a few.

But wait there's more

in 2001, Diebold was selected, as part of the $100 million-plus renovation of the National Archives in Washington D.C., to construct new vaults to secure original manuscripts of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The project, was completed in September 2003 and involved the creation of three room-sized vaults made of concrete five times stronger than ordinary road-grade material.

Why can't we trust a corporation who not only controls the security of the flow of currncy in our nation, but the outcome of our elections and the security of our constitution. after all

For more than 140 years, Diebold has been the company many industries have called on for the most reliable physical security solutions. From the strength and security of the safes and vaults we first manufactured in 1859, to the technology-based integrated systems, software, and service we provide today, Diebold's commitment has always been to develop practical solutions for customer needs.

Of course we can trust a company that has been building unbreakable holding devices since the time of slavery.

Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
Bush is glad to have people like JoeTex on his side!

Bev Harris and the non-partisan citizen group conducting the reviews over the next 10 days will have interesting findings.

www.blackboxvoting.org...

I think it's time to call democrats/liberals by a new name, "the whiney bunch"..... Not all democrats/liberals are like this, but some of you people whine too much...you think because some of you think this way the whole nation thinks like you....well, the elections have proven you wrong....no matter how you try to spin this around and try once more to say the elections were rigged.....it's just your liberal mind not accepting your defeat, and bringing back as defense all this crap of "the elections must have been rigged..." Give it up and accept your lost...

Why is it that every time Republicans win it is democrats/liberals who yell and bash away that the elections must be rigged, yet when Democrats have won in the past Republicans don't whine.....nor start yelling "the elections must have been rigged..."

Stop whining so much...

There, i said part of what needed to be said.

Why is it that every time Republicans win it is democrats/liberals who yell and bash away that the elections must be rigged,

Because a democrat can't even get a Bj without the republicans launching an official investigation.

[edit on 3-11-2004 by luvthy#ry]

www.blackboxvoting.org... Look

Kerry lost, Bush won. If Kerry won. would you still be bitching about the validity of these so called voting machines. There is no conspiracy, it was a loss. IT was close, just like the polls said it would be. NOw, if it was a landslide, then i could se a fraud investigation. It was close, and the nations has spoken.

I think some of you folks never played Little league or any other competitive sports when you were younger. This is where you learn that you cannot always go undefeated. It sucks to lose, but you regroup, study and work harder. You don't bitch and lay blame in other places, you look to yourself and make the changes needed. Bottom line is Kerry could not convince the nation that chage was needed.

Originally posted by bluemooone
Something is serioslly wrong here people. The computers were hacked. Any 14 year old scrypt kiddie could have done it. A war room somewhere may have easlly changed 50,000,000 votes . All is not well here . something is wrong. [edit on 3-11-2004 by bluemooone]

[edit on 3-11-2004 by bluemooone]

I prefer to believe I underestimated the voters. The
alternative is to accept that vote scam is alive and well ...

www.votescam.com...

only so sophisticated now that tracing the fraud is no
longer feasible.

That Ohio went to Bush is almost incomprehensible.
I would very much like to see an audit of ALL the votes
in that state.

Originally posted by KrazyJethro

Originally posted by edsinger

Sad thing is you probably believe this!

Prove him wrong.

The burden of proof does not lie on edsinger but the person who accuses, the Proscution has to prove, not the defense. The author of this thread must prove it.

Yes I'm sure it's all a coincidence that DBD closed today with a 1.75 gain. and I'm sure it's a coincidence that Diebold is based in North Canton, Ohio. (the state that won bush the election) I'm sure no one thinks it's supicious that these e-voting machines determine results without so much as a paper print out. I'm sure no one cares that the prominant CEO is a long time associate of George W. Bush who contributed to his 2000 campange. I'm sure that no one cares that company representatives have lied to state officials about the functions of thier voting machines. I'm sure that no one cares that these machines are so prone to error and abuse that they were rejected for use in Irish elections.

Originally posted by JoeTex
haha lol sorry dude kerry lost the better man won fair and square.

ughhhh grammar much?

Originally posted by Muaddib

Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
Bush is glad to have people like JoeTex on his side!

Bev Harris and the non-partisan citizen group conducting the reviews over the next 10 days will have interesting findings.

www.blackboxvoting.org...

I think it's time to call democrats/liberals by a new name, "the whiney bunch"..... Not all democrats/liberals are like this, but some of you people whine too much...you think because some of you think this way the whole nation thinks like you....well, the elections have proven you wrong....no matter how you try to spin this around and try once more to say the elections were rigged.....it's just your liberal mind not accepting your defeat, and bringing back as defense all this crap of "the elections must have been rigged..." Give it up and accept your lost...

Why is it that every time Republicans win it is democrats/liberals who yell and bash away that the elections must be rigged, yet when Democrats have won in the past Republicans don't whine.....nor start yelling "the elections must have been rigged..."

Stop whining so much...

There, i said part of what needed to be said.

Why is it there arent any true republicans anymore? Many are just church driven facists? true republicanism is dead.

You can always check the Nolan Chart to figure out were someone stands or have them take the worlds smallest political quiz.




[edit on 4-11-2004 by luvthy#ry]

Originally posted by IBM
The burden of proof does not lie on edsinger but the person who accuses, the Proscution has to prove, not the defense. The author of this thread must prove it.

Perhaps, but this is not an accusation of a person, or you. There are two sides in an emotionless topic.

He can not prove it's true, and you can't prove it's not. See no one in America can prove it either way unless they work for the Electronic Voting Machine Companies (and only a select ones at that).

So why fight him on it?

You'll lose as badly as him?


By the way, nice shift.

[edit on 4-11-2004 by KrazyJethro]

Originally posted by luvthy#ry
Yes I'm sure it's all a coincidence that DBD closed today with a 1.75 gain. and I'm sure it's a coincidence that Diebold is based in North Canton, Ohio. (the state that won bush the election) I'm sure no one thinks it's supicious that these e-voting machines determine results without so much as a paper print out. I'm sure no one cares that the prominant CEO is a long time associate of George W. Bush who contributed to his 2000 campange. I'm sure that no one cares that company representatives have lied to state officials about the functions of thier voting machines. I'm sure that no one cares that these machines are so prone to error and abuse that they were rejected for use in Irish elections.

I guess you don't care that 159 million people in the US are Christians, and there are 24% Catholics in the population in the US....most of these people would have voted against Kerry, because many of Kerry's opinions on the issues, go against the Christian and Catholic's point of view.

So are you saying you can't be a christian and pro-choice? I'm talking about Ohio which has a low percentage of catholics and a very high percetage of methodists who circumstantually support the pro choice agenda. Ever hear of the Religious Commision for Reproductive Choice?

[edit on 4-11-2004 by luvthy#ry]

Originally posted by luvthy#ry
So are you saying you can't be a christian and pro-choice? I'm talking about Ohio which has a low percentage of catholics and a very high percetage of methodists who circumstantually support the pro choice agenda.

Different people vote for different reasons....not everyone voted for the candidate's stand in moral issues, but a large percentage did....



[edit on 4-11-2004 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by Gazrok
I for one, truly hope some of the fears of Diebold are completely nullified. Otherwise, it means that we, the American people, no longer live in a democratic republic, but a dictatorship.

While I admit that the republican sweep is near unbelievable, I hope to my very soul that the process was not corrupted, and that the Bush win was legitimate, no matter my feelings on Bush. My greater concern is whether or not we truly have a vote or not.

Gazrok, let me put a question to you and then you may have your answer to your "post".

I worked at the polling-place in my precinct all day Tuesday until closing at 9:00 pm. Tuesday, (11/2/04) around 4:10 pm the ballot machine/counter went on the "blink" ( broke down), the six people that were running the polling-place KNEW, but said nothing,..... this went on for about 1 & 1/2 hours before one of my "poll watchers" went to check the "count" and seen that the machine was not working , she told the pollster's and they said they knew, that it had been down for close to 1 hour, it took an addition 1/2 hour to get it running again, so it was down 1 & 1/2 hours total.
Secondly, these workers were only telling "certain" new voters that they could vote by "provisional ballot" since their name was not listed on their voter-rouster, but would turn away others that came to vote but had the same problem, "they weren't listed", one guy left and went to five (5) different polling places to find his precinct, but ended-up back at mine, asking them why he could not vote in the precinct he lived in (there), I stepped in and told him to demand a "provisional ballot" and explained to him what it was,........... he demanded one, they gave it to him,.... he did his duty, thanked me for helping him and left,....... those old witches were real pi$$y to me after that, another guy, ... they tried to make leave with out his getting to vote first, because it was 8:40 pm when he walked in,... I had to step-in on that too and remind them that he had the legal right to vote, that anyone did as long as they were there before closing (9:00pm).

Needless to say, I was batting 100 at making those workers very mad at me,