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I'm not "struggling" as you have suggested.
Here ya go, you seem to be struggling:
You are the one who chooses to have "I hate Religion" as a signature.
Save the pithy ad him attacks, you're trying to illicit an emotional response by trolling/flaming.
Hello, I quoted a verse from the Bible!
So repentance is sorrow or grief? Your verse you linked said grief PRODUCES repentance, it doesn't say it IS repentance.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
I'm not "struggling" as you have suggested.
Here ya go, you seem to be struggling:
I got my definition from the same page that you linked to.
You seem to not struggle with cherry picking, by using the abridged version that leaves off the part that says "literally", meaning if you were to ignore the normal definition, and do like you suggest, to look at where the word originated from, and see how it was constructed.
On that same page, if you look to the right margin, it lists the 22 occurrences of the word in the New Testament.
Every one of those is translated as "repentance", and not 'changing your mind'.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
You are the one who chooses to have "I hate Religion" as a signature.
Save the pithy ad him attacks, you're trying to illicit an emotional response by trolling/flaming.
I'm just pointing out that if you were to click on it, you get a video of the leader of the "Tough Guy Sinner" cult.
Hello, I quoted a verse from the Bible!
So repentance is sorrow or grief? Your verse you linked said grief PRODUCES repentance, it doesn't say it IS repentance.
It says a godly grief leads to repentance which leads to salvation.
Do you want me to quote the New Living version to make it simple?
For the kind of sorrow God wants us to experience leads us away from sin and results in salvation. There's no regret for that kind of sorrow. But worldly sorrow, which lacks repentance, results in spiritual death.
The false dichotomy that you brought up earlier was your invention.
That I objected to part of your statement does not mean that I support the other option you offered.edit on 16-4-2013 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)
Seems odd then that you'd breeze right past the definition right at the top of the page.
I don't want to argue your cult philosophy.
You explain then how a person could change their behavior or sins in a . . .
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Seems odd then that you'd breeze right past the definition right at the top of the page.
Are you kidding?
The one at the top is the simplest for people who want a short answer and go on their way.
You are arguing the most ridiculous nonsense, that somehow the most definitive answer is at the top of the page when it should be obvious that is not true.
You make it the topic every time you post on a thread, that you believe in salvation without repentance, that you can go on sinning, and no problem Jesus can just bleed a little bit more.
So what about my signature, I'm not the topic of this thread.
I do, but I don't think that you do.
Do you understand the concept behind an ad him attack? Do you understand what that means?
Pointing out your signature is not "flaming". Are you kidding?
If you don't you're ignorant of it and need to read up, if you do understand the concept and don't care then you're trolling/flaming.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
You make it the topic every time you post on a thread, that you believe in salvation without repentance, that you can go on sinning, and no problem Jesus can just bleed a little bit more.
So what about my signature, I'm not the topic of this thread.
In the hypothetical arcane world of Greek word origins but we are not dealing with that, what is important is how the Bible understands it.
I said repentance means a change of mind. You rejected that.
I think you had better explain it right now.
. . . I think you don't have a functioning comprehension of what "subjectively" and "by implication" means.
What do other NT Greek lexicons say for the verb Metanoia? Is it a mass conspiracy?
Which means one used to not believe the gospel of Jesus Christ and now they do.
"So you explain how a person's . . .
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
"So you explain how a person's . . .
That's a weird sentence that for some reason you put quotation marks around.
Can you answer what I asked, which was just to explain your earlier remarks.
1) what "subjectively" means in a definition.
2) what New Testament verses use repentance to mean believing in Jesus, as opposed to before repentance nor believing in Jesus.
My "questions" are not questions so much as requests to flesh out your earlier outlandish claims.
So I'm here to answer your questions without you addressing mine asked previously? That's not how dialogue works Dewey.
And the object is to have a lasting change in lifestyle instead of a person going through sin cycles because they never changed their mind about their sin. The point is to have permanent results, not cyclical results.
Take a poll and see if anyone else understands what you said.
How on Earth can you mangle and twist me saying . . .