reply to post by daskakik
Actually, iirc, I state that I do not believe that I am a victim of MK-ULTRA in my thread with the primary reason being that everything that I have
recollected so far funnels back to my own "family" (genetic donors?
) as the source. However, it's because of my own experiences that I find
myself to be less cynical and harsh upon those who claim to also recollect some very aberrant memories. I also omit a great deal from my own story
because I chose to avoid the demands of the burden of proof simply because my grandfather, in his sickness, decided to teach me some of his trade like
a mechanic may teach their child theirs. However, there is a huge, huge world of difference between the trades of somebody who held a TS/SCI
clearance in the military and underwent SAC survival training and a mechanic. If I were to say some of the things that my grandfather taught me in his
trade, I would be called a freaking loon and the only way that I could prove my claims beyond a shadow of doubt would be to record myself doing
them and publicly releasing that footage
. That will never happen because a. I don't want to see myself on video doing it, b. I would lose all
anonymity and risk my acquaintances, employers, future employers, coworkers, or neighbors seeing it and knowing that somewhere within me is a freaking
monster, and c. (and C is perhaps the most important) I would hurt the person that I would be doing it to and for what? So some jerk on a forum
believes me? NOT happening
Even with that, I do not consider myself to be a product of MK-ULTRA. However, I also know that when our government chose to engage in the activities
and research of such things, they opened Pandora's box of nefarious ideas. Because everything funnels back to my own "family", I wasn't a direct
victim of MK but there is the distinct possibility that I was an indirect victim of it. Unsanctioned. I have not been targeted due to recollecting or
discussing these matters. No vans in my cul de sac, nobody knocking on my door. It's a matter of sanctioned v. unsanctioned.
I know that, in the gifted programs for instance, you had Dr. Stanley Krippner suggesting the usage of hypnosis, post-hypnotic suggestion and
'___'--the exact same subject matters that were being researched in MK-- as being useful to improving genius and creativity. Does that mean the
gifted programs were MK? No but these interests were probably an offshoot of the project stimulated by the fact that over 80 institutions were
involved in such research. Ken Kesey volunteered for MK-ULTRA and left the project to go out into the world, encouraging the usage of '___' to the
public--something that basically took the anti-war movement and turned them into the druggy hippies that they are viewed as today. God only knows how
much MK affected the world we live in today because you can't sit there and do such research on such a massive scale without it having a ripple effect
throughout society, itself. Direct victim of MK? Nope. Indirect? Hell yes. We all, yourself included, have probably had our lives shifted by
MK-ULTRA to varying degrees, either directly or indirectly. Just not all of us were sanctioned by our government.
So maybe the question should be--sanctioned, direct victims of MK or similar possible projects or unsanctioned, indirect victims of the same? I know
one thing though and that is, I am, based on my experience, very, very loathe to attack someone for talking about aberrant recollection because I am
very keenly aware of just how deeply horrible it is to live it and what all it risks to prove it.
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