Melissa Harris-Perry: 'I Stand By' 'Kids Belong to Whole Communities'

page: 1
3
<<   2  3 >>

log in

join

posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 11:48 AM
link   

Melissa Harris-Perry: 'I Stand By' 'Kids Belong to Whole Communities'


www.theblaze.com

MSNBC’s Melissa Harris-Perry on Saturday strongly reaffirmed the sentiment behind her recent promotional ad for the network in which she declared that children are part of the collective.

Addressing the outcry on her show Saturday morning, Harris-Perry said it would be “too easy” to simply dismiss that some people are just “haters.”

In the ad, Harris-Perry said that “We have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities.”

“I can see that some people are ge
(visit the link for the full news article)




posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 11:48 AM
link   
Well, here she goes again. Your children belong to the collective and she stands by at. Everyone who doesn't take her stand is a "hater."

I've said this on the the thread that first popped up, when Perry first said this. That means her bank account, car, job, house, kids, and her body also belongs to the collective.

We should all show up at her house one day and just start eating the food out of her fridge, sleeping in her bed, using her car for our own sake according to her logic

www.theblaze.com (visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 11:57 AM
link   
Reply to post by dominicus
 


I think people are still misunderstanding what she is saying. It still holds true that it takes the village to raise a child.


 
Posted Via ATS Mobile: m.abovetopsecret.com
 



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 12:04 PM
link   
reply to post by dominicus
 


For those who don't know what she (Melissa Harris-Perry) looks like, here is an MSNBC file photo. . .




I saw her over the weekend on MSNBC and she laughed, she actually laughed at those who were offended by her comments!



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 12:18 PM
link   
I think people are deliberately trying to blow this out of proportion. There is something wrong with society, and community good will and involvement with one another is strained.

Here is an example of something I've recently had to deal with. I live in the city. So I have close neighbors. I have four children, my neighbors have two and three children. Often times, on nice days, they are all outside playing in each others yards.

One day, the kids are in my yard, and I hear arguing and fighting, look out and there is also pushing. I stick my head out the door and tell the kids, "Knock it off, get along, or go on home." I was stern, and I meant it.

I go back to my chores and about five minutes later, knock - knock - knock. It's one my neighbors, the mom of one of the children, who proceeds to yell at me for disciplining her children. That if there is a problem, I need to go to her. I said, okay. That's fine. Then I'd like for your children to stay in their own yard. Because if I have to allow dangerous and wrong behavior to go on, so that I can run next door and get the parents - it would be my fault if I came back and the kid was hit by a car - because I wasn't allowed to yell at the child to get their butt out of the road, and get in the yard. Or if there is a broken nose, because I wasn't able to step into the middle to stop a fight!

Needless to stay. That particular neighbors children, do not play in my yard with my children anymore. They run the risk of the mean ole' witch shaking her broom at them.


Now this might not seem pertinent to the OP for some, but I think it's very telling, of how separated and apathetic we are to our communities and each other within them. There is no cohesiveness - and then we wonder why our kids are so confused and act out in such violent ways.

Peace,
Cirque



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 12:20 PM
link   
I would quote the user Bluesma from the thread, where France banned ketchup from the schools.I hope she doesn´t mind me quoting her.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Bluesma

This is where it becomes very sticky business, judging the choices of another culture and peoples!

The french culture and values are so different- for them, no, your kids are not just yours. They are the next generation of that society, they are the ones who will be running it one day. How they are raised and formed is important to EVERYONE (in their minds).

So already, a kid is not just taught to obey their parent only. They are not taught to distrust other adults. It is not uncommon to have a stranger correct or reprimand your child in public.
There is strong cultural cohesion, and less focus on individuality- there are values expressed not as "I prefer this over that", but "this is better than that".... as if they are universal truths (and everyone pretty much agrees).

So you have children that are taught to respect and obey their teachers and the adults in charge of caring for them while in their care, and a lot of effort is made to be sure that parents and teachers are on the same page, so the kid has the same rules at home as at school.

In a french home, they do not put ketchup on the table at each meal, so it should not be the same at school.

And though they are given it with fries (frites) and with hamburgers (for it is considered an american sauce, made for american food, the way a curry is considered for use with indian food), it is not served with blanquette de veau .
I am having trouble expressing what I am trying to say, but to put the ketchup out on the table,
is the same thing as telling the kids they should put it on their food,
because the children are obedient and respectful of the adult authorities present.

The attitude is different. Adults are not the "friends" of kids, like in the US. This makes everyone carry a sense of responsibility, whether they have children or not. What you do matters, because our next generaion is watching and following. And it is too confusing for the kids if everyone has a different view!

Hard for me (an american) to describe, because I grew up in such a different way.


She is talking about France, although I believe the French attitude she describes, is something something similar to what Melissa-Harris Perry is meaning.
edit on 15-4-2013 by Cabin because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 12:35 PM
link   
My friends,

This is being blown out of proportion, surely.

My take on it is that every child has parents however, every child has the ability to learn MORE if they had more than one teacher [parent].

Be safe be well

Spiro



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 12:36 PM
link   
My friend,


Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by dominicus
 



Beautiful


Be safe be well

Spiro



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 12:37 PM
link   
reply to post by doclec
 


I don't remember anyone in my village offering to babysit, potty train or change diapers or be puked on repeatedly to help raise my kids. That was all on me, my spouse and my family, so yes my children do NOT belong to the community nor to me, they belong to themselves but are in my care and under MY responsibility, matter of fact I'm pretty sure I'm required to be responsible for them, provide for them, nurture them, feed them etc. If I'm mistaken I'd like to know where I can redeem the babysitting points I've saved for 15 years, healthcare costs, food, entertainment etc. I'll need all your addresses so I can send you your part of the bill.


So what I understand from what chicky is saying is the state has all the rights to our children, not us the parents and families yet we are solely responsible and answerable to child services, schools, government to raise them in the way the borg sees fit?

To those saying she is being misunderstood, I do not agree. It's one thing to say we have to work together as families and communities for the betterment of our children and it's another to strip another layer away of parental authority and familial unity and say you have no say over what happens to your children or how they are raised because they are communal property.

If anyone cannot see the danger in that, or the systematic destruction of the family unit as a whole, welcome to Nazi land is all I can say. Hello? When the 'community' is cleared out of pedophiles and corporate slime and individuals who do not have an agenda to push and manipulate my children with, then and only then will I concede to any communal 'raising' of children, until then, don't mess with a mama bear if your smart.
edit on 15-4-2013 by sweetstuff because: more to add



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 12:41 PM
link   
It takes a community to raise a kid.

But this is being blown way out of proportion by Glenn Beck which is the owner of The Blaze



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 12:53 PM
link   
reply to post by muse7
 


It takes a parent(s) to raise a child.

It takes a community to make a child lose his or her individuality.



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 01:00 PM
link   
I completely agree with her. If the community around the child supports and helps in that child's development, we would have far fewer brats and thugs running around with an overblown sense of entitlement and apathy.



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 01:10 PM
link   

Originally posted by FollowTheWhiteRabbit
I completely agree with her. If the community around the child supports and helps in that child's development, we would have far fewer brats and thugs running around with an overblown sense of entitlement and apathy.


If parents disciplined their children and had to occasionally plant a size 12 up some lazy behinds, then maybe there wouldn't be a thug problem of which you speak.



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 01:13 PM
link   
Yeah well the "whole community" can start footing child support payments.

I stand by comment.



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 01:17 PM
link   

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by muse7
 


It takes a parent(s) to raise a child.

It takes a community to make a child lose his or her individuality.


I have to agree with this completely; Especially in the religious community, military community, LEO community and any other type of community that has an agenda and a hierarchical authoritarian structure.



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 01:30 PM
link   

Originally posted by sweetstuff
So what I understand from what chicky is saying is the state has all the rights to our children, not us the parents and families yet we are solely responsible and answerable to child services, schools, government to raise them in the way the borg sees fit?

To those saying she is being misunderstood, I do not agree. It's one thing to say we have to work together as families and communities for the betterment of our children and it's another to strip another layer away of parental authority and familial unity and say you have no say over what happens to your children or how they are raised because they are communal property.



This is not what she is saying at all. She is specifically referring to what we invest in education. By saying, "I don't have kids, so I shouldn't have to pay taxes that go towards education", we are shirking our responsibility of helping all children become critical thinkers, innovators, great leaders, etc. etc. This affects ALL of us in the long-term. Critical thinkers, innovators and great leaders will do great things for our country, of which we are all citizens.

Yes, parents could home-school their kids to make them successes in our community, but most parents can't/won't do that. That leaves the public school system. We are all responsible for how well the public school system works. Don't like the public school system? It's your responsibility to speak up, vote your conscience, do something about it.



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 01:32 PM
link   
I find it somewhat arrogant and selfish for us to think that children "belong" to the parents.

As parents, it is not our job to raise kids as some trophy we hang on the mantle and revel in our success' as a parent.

It IS our job to raise them to be kind, respectful and productive members of society in which they venture out and continue the cycle.

So in all intents and purposes MHP is correct. Kids are part of our communities. They are the creators and figureheads of future communities. We all have a responsibility to raise children that will not only make us proud as parents, but also be part of the community in a positive way.

I think we can all agree with that and not delve into a "socialist communist" type of argument in an attempt to discredit MHP.



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 01:39 PM
link   
I believe Plato was the first to recognize that children should ideally belong to a community and not individual parents.

In the Republic he writes about the creation of the Just City where everyone will have sex with everyone else so nobody knows who the children belong to. They will then be raised by the community and separated later as they are determined to fit into one of the three classes based on ability.

They will be either producers, guardians, or the philospher kings.

Basically workers, protectors or rulers.

Not a new concept at all and one which has been put forth by some of the greatest thinkers in our history.



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 02:20 PM
link   
reply to post by beezzer
 



Originally posted by beezzer
I saw her over the weekend on MSNBC and she laughed, she actually laughed at those who were offended by her comments!


I'm laughing at those offended by her comments, too.
You're being politically correct, looking for something to be offended about and taking offense at the idea that CHILDREN do not belong to you. They are not possessions. They are the next generation! They belong to themselves and to society as a whole, just as adults do. Just as you do. You are a part of society. You are a part of the community. Just as YOU belong to your community, so do your children.

Your childish attacks against people with whom you disagree are old and boring.
edit on 4/15/2013 by Benevolent Heretic because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 02:46 PM
link   
"Belonging" to a community?

Or...

"Belonging" to a family?

Which is more likely to teach a child to actually think for themselves, develop a sense of individuality?

A community which will inevitably try to force conformity in order to "belong"?

Or a family which will nurture that sense of individuality?

I've yet to see a community foster anything even resembling individuality. Always it's necessary to "fit in", in order to "fit in" one needs to conform to the whole...

It would certainly be better if the child learns to be an individual before attempting to belong.





new topics
top topics
 
3
<<   2  3 >>

log in

join


Haters, Bigots, Partisan Trolls, Propaganda Hacks, Racists, and LOL-tards: Time To Move On.
read more: Community Announcement re: Decorum