Justin Trudeau Becomes Leader of the Liberal Party of Canada

Originally posted by IronArm
Justin is just another Liberal face, making promises to the East, keep those fat-cats happy.
I trust him as much as I trust any other Liberal, loosing our tax money in useless "social programs"
Add that to his sketchy family history...nope. I'd rather stick with Harper, as little as I trust him, at least he is giving some actual attention to the West.

Good for you. Thing is...what truly defines Canada is a belief in what you call "useless social programs". We don't believe in throwing those of us who are less fortunate under the societal bus. So we each get a vote, and we get to exercise it. Trudeau had the opportunity to work with the other opposition parties to create an alliance that would hopefully topple the Government of Steve. And I think it would have. He declined, believing that Liberal principals would be enough to get him elected. I admire that, and I hope he is right.

I think Steve and his bunch define themselves with their attack ads. Bullies in the sandbox...and like all bullies, they are fundamentally cowards.

You people are ridiculous. You are kidding yourselves if you think for a second that Justin will be ANY different than Harper or any other politician. He's someones puppet.

Anyone esle find it sudden or odd when mark garneau dropped out of the race...
What about justins unwillingness to work with the ndp
Or most damning his stance toward china

If Justin ever does become PM he will do exactly what Harper is doing right now, quietly selling this country to China.

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck


To be honest, in Harpers shoes, I'd be terrified as well. Justin is a well-spoken, intelligent, good looking threat.

However, looking at Liberal history, there is a lot of back door money exchange, (ie, Martin with his 'flag mishap') and Creatin ((notice the purposeful miss-spelling) and his 'hotel mishap')

Are we to expect an honest fiscally responsible gov't from Trudeau? In the continually degrading world economy, Canada has remained near the top as untouched. Will Trudeau be able to keep that going with the socialist agenda that the Liberal party has been pushing?

I doubt it. But then again, I've been brainwashed into hating them, as I am a formerly rural Albertan.

Originally posted by IronArm
But then again, I've been brainwashed into hating them, as I am a formerly rural Albertan.

That is a huge statement, in my opinion, as it implies that you accept you may have been sold a bill of goods. On some levels, we all have. The past federal Liberal record is every bit as rotten as Steve's crash and burn is shaping up to be. Senate shenanigans, robocalls, F-35...how about that evil dwarf Flaherty and his income trust screwing of seniors? The list goes on.

Trudeau may not be the Messiah...but he might just represent a new brand of politics. We'll see. The key is to pay attention.

Originally posted by IronArm

I'd rather stick with Harper, as little as I trust him, at least he is giving some actual attention to the West.

This.

2nd.

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck


"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss" Comes to mind.

But there is hope I suppose. God willing, he won't throw out the value of BC's timber and coal industries, Alberta's timber, oil and gas industries, Saskatchewan's oil, gas, potash, uranium, and grain industries; Manitoba's....air...; only to use them as leverage for Quebec and Ontario to make love to each other.

Originally posted by CALGARIAN

Originally posted by IronArm

I'd rather stick with Harper, as little as I trust him, at least he is giving some actual attention to the West.

This.

2nd.

Yeah. I guess we all forgot when Mulroney sold off the fisheries and plummeted the Maritimes into an economic tailspin that they are just climbing out of after 25 years. The REAL east says "You're welcome for our contribution." That being said the West never considered the Maritimes in anything anyway.

reply to post by intrepid


Not entirely true...we still employ Newfies in the patch lol.

But still yes, that is correct. In all of this, the Maritimes tend to be forgotten. We in the West are aware of the situation that ya'll are in...and money we make would be better used to stabilize the Easterners than to create a bubble for Quebec and Ontario.

Oh yes, everybody praise the wonders of Mr Trudeau.

How pathetic. I hold 0 hope for this new leader or his political agenda. Justin will do trivial things to save face with Canadians and attempt to prove that is a better globalist than Harper is.

The truth is he will be just the same. Just another career politician, from rich heritage who thinks he knows better than the rest of Canadians.

Canada, meet your Barack Obama.

~Tenth

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Oh yes, everybody praise the wonders of Mr Trudeau.

How pathetic. I hold 0 hope for this new leader or his political agenda. Justin will do trivial things to save face with Canadians and attempt to prove that is a better globalist than Harper is.

The truth is he will be just the same. Just another career politician, from rich heritage who thinks he knows better than the rest of Canadians.

Canada, meet your Barack Obama.~Tenth

Well, given the fact that he has run for the office and you have not, you'll forgive me for giving him more credence in the general scheme of things.

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Easier to run for office when your daddy stockpiled taxpayer money and backdoor funding.

Just had to slide that snide comment in.

Man, another crappy American import. Snide, partisan politics. I thought we were better than that. :shk:

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Oh yes, everybody praise the wonders of Mr Trudeau.

How pathetic. I hold 0 hope for this new leader or his political agenda. Justin will do trivial things to save face with Canadians and attempt to prove that is a better globalist than Harper is.

The truth is he will be just the same. Just another career politician, from rich heritage who thinks he knows better than the rest of Canadians.

Canada, meet your Barack Obama.~Tenth

Well, given the fact that he has run for the office and you have not, you'll forgive me for giving him more credence in the general scheme of things.

As Intrepid stated above, all we are going to have is more Americanized governance.

Unfortunately I don't have the kind of resources that wealthy men such as Mr. Trudeau have. It's a bit hard to run for office when they put you up against something like that.

I suppose I hope he proves me wrong, but I doubt it. None of his policies are in line with what needs to happen in order to fix Canada's current problems. He wants to ease Harper's destructive policies, not stop them.

~Tenth

Justin Trudeau is a puppet and nothing more than an empty air head, no experiance, plain and simple ideas with no foundation......Someone in the background will be stearing him all the way to hell.

Denis coderre would of been a way better choice but alas....He was "pushed" aside for this little bobble head.

Originally posted by IronArm
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Easier to run for office when your daddy stockpiled taxpayer money and backdoor funding.

Just had to slide that snide comment in.

Yeah as if Harper's oily, bean counting roots are any more honorable.

Originally posted by Nuke2013
Justin Trudeau is a puppet and nothing more than an empty air head, no experiance, plain and simple ideas with no foundation......Someone in the background will be stearing him all the way to hell.
Denis coderre would of been a way better choice but alas....He was "pushed" aside for this little bobble head.

You might be right. Thing is, the party elected him fair and square, and everyone had an opportunity to give such things due consideration. Bear in mind...these are folks who bothered to think about it and vote. That's a start. There is no federal election until 2015...he has that time to prove himself. If you still don't like him, you're free to vote for any of the other parties.

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Oil money is not dishonorable...mostly...ok. Fine. Mostly dishonorable. But come on....at least someone worked for that money...at one point....I can't really argue this one.

On the patronage issue, there are no good guys in Canadian politics.

Nobody even campaigns on this issue unless things get way, way out of hand. The Toronto Star made an attempt to find out where 1.1 billion dollars of patronage money spent on the last G8/G20 conference went and found that Harper's government had made agreements with contractors that stipulated that some contractors names could not be revealed, (That should be a Ripley's Believe It or Not item.) . . . and has still not been able to track 247 million dollars that seems to have just vanished.

But here's the kicker. Nobody made an issue of this in the last federal election. Not Ignatieff. Not Layton.

Why? Because nobody intends to do anything different as far as patronage spending goes.

Brian Mulroney's government was so bad in this area that Stevie Smith (Real, not fake, Order of Canada member, in my mind anyway.) wrote a book about it that should be required reading for Canadians: On The Take.

All political parties in Canada are operating this way, the party of big business, the party of big platitudes and the party of big unions.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by ipsedixit
Gubmint 101: A Primer for Cherries

There is a great line in the Steven Seagal movie "Above the Law" spoken by character actor, Henry Silva, who plays a CIA doctor, expert in "chemical interrogation" who is about to cut the foot off an uppity Viet Cong captive, when the Seagal character, a Special Forces "observer", starts to object.

Silva, looks over his shoulder, knife in hand, and says, "Who is this cherry?"

Well, life as they say, is "just a bowl of cherries", and we elect them to office, every election.

The Star had a good article recently about the reactions of some former MPs to their time "on the hill".

Former MPs say life on the Hill no party

www.thestar.com...

Based on “exit interviews” with 65 former MPs, the latest report from the Samara democracy-research organization offers a warning to would-be parliamentarians: their dreams of public service could be repeatedly dashed by their own political parties.

“The greatest frustrations they (former MPs) faced during their political careers came from within their own political party,” says the report, titled, “It’s My Party: Parliamentary Dysfunction Reconsidered,” which was obtained by the Star in advance of its release on Monday.

These people, despite their confidence, their optimism, their willingness to serve and desire to do their best for their constituents and the country, really didn't understand how the system works. They were "cherries".

“Decisions from their parties’ leadership were often viewed as opaque, arbitrary and unprofessional and . . . parties’ demands often ran counter to the MPs’ desires to practice politics in a constructive way.”

MPs who see the situation that way have a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of "gubmint". They are cherries, who don't know that "government" in the people's interests is an afterthought, a low priority in the system of "gubmint".

To understand "gubmint", it is best to think of it as some kind of wacky TV game show, the sort of thing the Japanese do better than anyone else on earth. The object of the "game" is to carve up and control as much of the national budget as one can. "Gubmint" is really a feeding frenzy on tax dollars.

Any kind of statesmanship, idealism, high mindedness, ethic of service, generosity or honesty is a liability in that game.

"Gubmint" programs are not designed for their utility or pertinence to the needs of people, communities or the nation. They are designed and tailored to conveniently and efficiently carve out chunks of tax dollars in such a way as to be compatible with the removal of other chunks of tax dollars.

These chunks of dollars can have any weird shape or application, much like pieces of a jigsaw puzzle.

For most MPs, getting money for some project is a lot like coming to a potluck dinner. What you get, in what amount you get it, largely depends on what is available.

For this reason, policy making is driven by considerations which have nothing to do with policy.

Political parties are the major players in the "gubmint" game.

“The biggest message I took from these MPs’ stories is the need to re-examine the role of a political party in our democracy,” she says. “They are extremely important organizations that perform essential democratic functions — engage citizens, select candidates for office, develop and aggregate policy ideas and contest elections — and are heavily supported by public money, yet we rarely ask ourselves if they’re performing these functions in the way we’d like.”

Political parties set the tone. They are responsible for all the evils of "gubmint". They are the ones who deal with organized criminals, lobbyists, pals of pals, unscrupulous contractors and con artists, their own low achieving, knuckle dragging, unemployable relatives, etc.

It's all about soliciting contributions (bribes) to get elected, in return for access to the vast treasure chest of tax dollars represented by the national budget.

A new MP might have a fundamental understanding of how the "gubmint" game is played, a few do, but most of them will not realize just how far behind the eight ball they really are when they jump for joy on the platform of their own riding association, victorious in an election.

Most of the money they plan to spend to make a better country for their contituents is already spent in obligations to a host of big contractors, con men, pals of pals, pimps, thieves, underachieving relatives and scum who payed in advance to get a party elected in return for a manyfold return on their original contribution.

That's how "gubmint" works.

When your MP is elected, in the vast majority of cases, he or she is fighting for scraps left over from the secret, behind the scenes feeding frenzy that happened before the election.

Read Stevie Cameron's On the Take. It's all explained in documented detail.

It doesn't matter how you vote until that system is brought under control. You can't get rid of it. It's the way people are. But it has to be controlled, or the whole system founders and we wind up living in Mexico north.

People see politicians as possessing super-human qualities. They attribute altruistic motives to them that us mere mortals fail to possess. The reality is that virtually all politicians are sociopaths or psychopaths or a combination of the two. There are many parallels between Justin and Obama as one blogger pointed out. Both came from broken homes and both had fathers who were womanizers spreading there seeds around like butterflies pollinating flowers. Justin's mother is a flake as was Obama's mother. In politics image and perception are everything and substance and integrity and other virtuous traits are secondary; hence the playboy model wife and young family (is Obama any different). Canadians find youthful politicians refreshing. Many bloggers talked about the magnetic acceptance speech of Justin. This is boilerplate rhetoric where supporters are thanked and vacuous esoteric visions of a great nation are bandied about. This is more hollow rhetoric and in the excitement of it all Canadians forget to ask if he made any important policy statements about what he stands for. The difference between Canadian and US politics is that Canadian politicians still do mingle in crowds and are asked questions that are not already vetted in advance. In US politics the politician is insulated from penetrating questions and reporters can only ask questions that are pre-approved that cannot put a dent in their teflon image.
The typical Canadian is naive enough to give him a test ride and then turn against him when they realize he did not possess the godlike qualities that they attributed to him. In reality he shares many of the personality traits as the psychopath that is currently in power. If Trudeau was not in the pocket of the global elite he would not be the leader of the Liberal Party.
Justin will be a chip off the old block. He has been coached by dad and expect him to be just as deceptive and arrogant when he gets the crown. PET almost singlehandedly destroyed Canada with his poorly thought out Immigration policy. I have lived in 3 countries besides Canada and in each of those other countries you have to prove you will not financially burden the economy of the adopted country. This is not racism, just good old common sense. Whereas in Canada the word "refugee" gets you free hospitality and a passport, in other countries it gets you a exit pass with a boot imprint on the back of your pants. PET's opened the floodgates of immigration undermining the fabric of a unique Canadian Identity and creating social problems that never before existed; things like Asian street gangs, Jamaican Drug gangs and a host of other social issues. PET's efforts to elevate French Canada to special status, fuelled a nationalistic spirit that nearly ruptured the country. You can expect equally misguided policies from Junior as he dances to beat of his globalist drummers. Bon chance Canada.

Originally posted by cayrichard
The reality is that virtually all politicians are sociopaths or psychopaths or a combination of the two.

I know lots of politicians. That's just crap.