High Society Astors - "Poverty was our secret"

Originally posted by swan001

Originally posted by CIAGypsy
The man flat out denies the "spin" you try to put in his mouth and it STILL isn't enough for you.

Err,... Duh! Rockefeller isn't exactly the most un-biased source when it comes to determine if Rockefeller has an agenda or not. Of course he's gonna deny the whole thing, he still got a brain, you know.

You should probably check out that second link in my signature.

edit on 17-4-2013 by swan001 because: (no reason given)

And everything you have said shows YOUR bias. I have given you facts, all documented. I have given you Rockefeller in his own words, refuting the very quote you say makes him some horrible monster out to control the world.

And yet you choose to believe a myth that has NO REAL DOCUMENTED OR SOLID PROOF. And as is your right....you may continue to buy into your own delusion. C'est la vie....

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Truth be told, the idea that people living in a multi-multi-million-dollar mansion cant afford to eat is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Kind of like the guy who drives a $50k car but cant feed his kids.

I would tend to agree....but pride can be a funny thing.

Originally posted by CIAGypsy
And everything you have said shows YOUR bias. I have given you facts, all documented. I have given you Rockefeller in his own words

And everything you said shows that you believe everything you see in the media - although these media are members of CFR, along with Rockefeller. Your documents (which I will still consider, don't get me wrong) came from newspaper whose directors are sitting in the CFR along with Rockefeller. Rockefeller's own words will OBVIOUSLY be biased by himself. Here is the list of all members of the CFR (source: en.wikipedia.org...):

Board of directors

The Board of Directors of the Council on Foreign Relations is composed in total of thirty-six officers. Peter G. Peterson and David Rockefeller are Directors Emeriti (Chairman Emeritus and Honorary Chairman, respectively). It also has an International Advisory Board consisting of thirty-five distinguished individuals from across the world.[3][4]
Office Name
Co-Chairman of the Board Carla A. Hills
Co-Chairman of the Board Robert E. Rubin
Vice Chairman Richard E. Salomon
President Richard N. Haass
Board of Directors
John Abizaid former Commander, CENTCOM
Peter Ackerman founder, International Center on Nonviolent Conflict
Fouad Ajami professor in Middle East Studies, Johns Hopkins
Madeleine K. Albright former Secretary of State
Henry S. Bienen former president, Northwestern University.
Alan Blinder economics professor, Princeton
Mary Boies managing partner, Boies & McInnis
David G. Bradley chairman, Atlantic Media Company
Tom Brokaw former editor, NBC Nightly News
Sylvia Mathews Burwell Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
Kenneth M. Duberstein former White House Chief of Staff
Martin Feldstein economics professor, Harvard
Stephen Friedman former chairman, Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board
Ann M. Fudge former CEO, Young & Rubicam
Pamela Gann president, Claremont McKenna College
J. Tomilson Hill vice chairman, The Blackstone Group
Donna Hrinak former U.S. diplomat
Alberto Ibargüen John S. and James L. Knight Foundation
Shirley Jackson president, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
Henry R. Kravis co-founder, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.
Jami Miscik former Deputy Director for Intelligence
Joseph S. Nye, Jr. Kennedy School of Government
James W. Owens chairman, Caterpillar Inc.
Peter G. Peterson chairman, Peter G. Peterson Foundation
Colin L. Powell former Secretary of State
Penny Pritzker CEO, Pritzker Realty
David M. Rubenstein co-founder, The Carlyle Group,
George Erik Rupp president, International Rescue Committee
Frederick W. Smith CEO, FedEX
Joan E. Spero former ambassador
Vin Weber CEO, Clark & Weinstock
Christine Todd Whitman former Governor of New Jersey
Fareed Zakaria editor-At-Large, Time
[edit]Some corporate members

Some of the corporate members follow, most of which are on the Fortune 500 list.
ABC News
Alcoa
American Express
AIG
Bank of America
Bloomberg
Boeing
BP
Chevron
Citigroup
Coca Cola
De Beers
Deutsche Bank
ExxonMobil
FedEx
Ford Motor
General Electric
GlaxoSmithKline
Google
Goldman Sachs
Halliburton
Heinz
Hess
IBM
JP Morgan Chase
Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.
Lehman Brothers
Lockheed Martin
MasterCard
McGraw–Hill
McKinsey
Merck
Merrill Lynch
Motorola
Nasdaq
News Corp
Nike
Pepsi
Pfizer
Shell Oil
Sony Corporation of America
Tata Group
Time Warner
Total S.A.
Toyota Motor North America
UBS
United Technologies
United States Chamber of Commerce
U.S. Trust Corporation
Verizon
Visa [5]
[edit]Notable current council members

Roger Ailes (Chairman and CEO of Fox News)
Madeleine Albright (64th United States Secretary of State, 20th United States Ambassador to the United Nations under Bill Clinton)
Lamar Alexander (45th Governor of Tennessee, United States Republican Senator, 5th United States Secretary of Education under George H.W. Bush)
Eliot Abrams (international lawyer, former state department official under Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush)
Morton I. Abramowitz (diplomat)
John Abizaid (U.S Army General, former head of CENTCOM)
Michael F. Adams (President of University of Georgia)
John B. Anderson (former Republican/Independent congressman from Illinois)
Anthony Clark Arend (international lawyer, and academic)
Fouad Ajami (academic, middle east analyst)
Howard Baker (13th Senate Majority Leader of the United States Senate, 12th White House Chief of Staff under Ronald Reagan, husband of Nancy Kassebaum Baker)
James Baker (61st Secretary of State of the United States under Bush-41, and 67th Secretary of the Treasury of the United States under Ronald Reagan, 10th & 16th White House chief of staff to President's Reagan and George H.W. Bush)
Thurbert Baker (former Democratic Party attorney-general of the state of Georgia)
Michael D. Barnes (former United States Democratic congressman from Maryland, and president of the Brady Campaign)
Charlene Barshefsky (former United States Trade Representative)
Evan Bayh (former Democratic U.S senator and 46th Governor from Indiana)
Peter Bergen (journalist, national security analyst for CNN)
Joe Biden (47th Vice-President of the United States)
Josh Bolten (22nd White House chief-of-staff under George W. Bush)
Rudy Boschwitz (former Republican United States Senator from Minnesota)
Sandy Berger (19th United States National Security Advisor under President Bill Clinton)
Warren Beatty (actor, film producer, director)
Jeffrey Bewkes (president of Time Warner)
Stephen Biddle (theorist setting U.S. counter-insurgency policy)
Michael R. Bloomberg (108th Mayor of New York City, founder of Bloomberg L.P.)
Max Boot (military historian, and foreign policy expert)
Bill Bradley (former Democratic senator from New Jersey, NBA hall of fame basketball player)
Ian Bremmer (Eurasia Group founder and president)
Lael Brainard [Under Secretary of the Treasury for International Affairs, wife of Kurt M. Campbell]
Bill Brock (50th chairman of the Republican Party, 8th U.S. trade ambassador and 18th United States Secretary of Labor under Ronald Reagan, former Republican United States Senator from Tennessee)
Dan Burton (former republican party United States congressman from Indiana)
Erin Burnett (journalist, CNN anchor)
George H.W. Bush (41st President of the United States)
Tom Brokaw (NBC journalist)
Howard Berman (Democratic Party United States Congressman from California)
Peter Beinart (academic, columnist)
Richard Branson (founder of Virgin Group)
L. Paul Bremer (diplomat)
Edgar Bronfman, Sr. (a member of the Bronfman dynasty, president of the World Jewish Congress)
Ethan Bronner (deputy foreign editor of The New York Times)
Zbigniew Brzezinski (10th United States National Security Advisor under President Jimmy Carter)
Stephen Gerald Breyer (United States Supreme Court justice)
Jonathan S. Bush (healthcare CEO, son of Jonathan Bush, brother of NBC entertainment reporter Billy Bush)
Sanford Bishop (Democratic Party United States congressman from Georgia)
David Boren (former Democrat U.S. senator from Oklahoma and president of the University of Oklahoma)
Kurt M. Campbell [Assistant Secretary of State for East Asian and Pacific Affairs, husband of Lael Brainard]
Jimmy Carter (39th President of the United States)
Frank Carlucci (16th Secretary of Defense and 15th U.S. national security adviser under Ronald Reagan, 13th deputy director of the Central Intelligence Agency under Jimmy Carter)
Dick Cheney (46th Vice-President of the United States)
Juju Chang (journalist, reporter for ABC News)
Bill Clinton (42nd President of the United States)
Hillary Rodham Clinton (former first lady of the United States, 67th United States Secretary of State under Barack Obama)
Henry Cisneros (10th United States Secretary of Housing and Urban Development under Bill Clinton)
Mario Cuomo (Democratic politician, 52nd Governor of New York)
Michael Crow (president of Arizona State University)
Katie Couric (former CBS and NBC journalist, talk show host)
Stephen F. Cohen (professor of Russian studies at NYU, husband of Katrina vanden Heuvel)
Edward F. Cox (international attorney, chairman of the New York Republican party, son-in-law of Richard Nixon)
William M. Daley (24th White House chief of staff under Obama, 32nd secretary of commerce under Bill Clinton)
Kathryn Wasserman Davis [American philanthropist]
Kenneth Duberstein (13th chief of staff under Ronald Reagan)
Peggy Dulany (fourth child of David Rockefeller)
Joseph Duffey (academic, educator)
Chris Dodd (Former United States Senator from Connecticut)
Thomas R. Donahue [former Secretary-Treasurer of the AFL-CIO]
William H. Donaldson (former chairman of the United States Securities and Exchange Commission)
Michael Dukakis (65th and 67th governor of Massachusetts, 1988 Democratic Party nominee for the Presidency)
Mervyn M. Dymally (former Democratic congressman from California)
James S. Doyle (journalist & activist)
John Edwards (former Democratic U.S. senator from North Carolina, 2004 Democratic Vice-Presidential nominee)
Karl Eikenberry (United States Army General, former ambassador to Afghanistan)
Ari Emanuel (head of Endeavor Agency)
Luigi R. Einaudi [former secretary-general of the Organization of American States]
Roger W. Ferguson, Jr. (former vice-chairman of the Federal Reserve)
Noah Feldman (academic and author)
Dianne Feinstein (United States Democratic Party Senator from California)
Donald M. Fraser (former Democratic United States congressman from Minnesota)
Bill Frist (Republican politician, former United States Senate Majority Leader of the United States Senate)
Mikhail Fridman (Russian oligarch, International Advisory Board member)
Thomas Friedman (columnist for The New York Times)
Martin Feldstein (economist, Harvard professor)
Tom Foley (57th speaker of the United States House of Representatives)
Francis Fukuyama (political scientist, for state department official)
Pamela Gann (President of Claremont McKenna College, former dean of Duke University School of Law).
Robert M. Gates (22nd United States Secretary of Defense under Bush & Obama, 15th Director of Central Intelligence under George H.W. Bush)
Robert P. George (Academic, professor at Princeton University, theologian, philosopher)
David Geffen (president of Universal Music Group)
Leslie Gelb (former journalist for the New York Times)
Dick Gephardt (22nd Majority Leader of the United States House of Representatives)
Sam Gejdenson (former Democratic Party United States Congressman from Connecticut)
Alan Greenspan (13th Chairman of the Federal Reserve)
Maurice R. Greenberg (former chairman and CEO of AIG)
Bob Graham (Democratic Party 38th governor of Florida and United States Senator)
Janet G. Mullins Grissom (Republican lobbyist,former state department official)
David Gergen (advisor to Richard Nixon, Gerald R. Ford, Ronald Reagan, and Bill Clinton, commentator for CNN)
Peter C. Goldmark, Jr. (former CEO of New York Port Authority, president of Rockefeller Foundation, publisher of International Herald Tribune)
Mikhail Gorbachev (former President of the USSR)
Roy M. Goodman (former Republican member of the New York State Senate)
Newt Gingrich (58th Speaker of the United States House of Representatives)
Ruth Bader Ginsburg (United States Supreme Court justice)
Brian Grazer (producer and co-founder of Imagine Entertainment)
Tenzin Gyatso (14th Dalai Lama)
Richard N. Haass (former State Department official)
David A. Harris (director of the American Jewish Committee (AJC))
Lee H. Hamilton (former United States Democratic congressman from Indiana)
Michael Hayden (United States Air Force general, 15th director of the National Security Agency under Bill Clinton, and 20th director of the CIA under George W. Bush)
Gary Hart (former Democratic U.S. Senator from Colorado, Council for a Livable World chairman, advisory board member for the Partnership for a Secure America)
Heather Higgins (women's advocate, chairman of the Independent Women's Forum, president of the Randolph Foundation)
Chris Heinz (heir to the H. J. Heinz Company ketchup fortune)
Carla Anderson Hills (5th United States Secretary of Housing and Urban Development under Gerald Ford, 10th United States Trade Representative to George H.W. Bush)
Deane R. Hinton [former diplomat]
Kim Holmes (foreign policy and defense expert)
Douglas Holtz-Eakin (economist)
Auren Hoffman (investor/entrepreneur)
Warren Hoge (American journalist, formerly of the New York Times)
Malcolm Hoenlein (vice-chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations)
Katrina vanden Heuvel (editor of The Nation, wife of Stephen F. Cohen, daughter of William vanden Heuvell]
William vanden Heuvel (diplomat and international lawyer, father of Katrina vanden Heuvell)
Jimmy Iovine (chairman of Interscope-Geffen-A&M)
Frederick Iseman (businessman, inventor)
Angelina Jolie (actress, UN Goodwill Ambassador)[6]
Vernon Jordan (advisor to President Bill Clinton)
Nancy Johnson (former Republican United States congresswoman from Connecticut)
Woody Johnson (investor, owner of the New York Jets, heir to Johnson & Johnson)
Sheila Johnson (businesswoman, president of the Washington Mystics)
Walter H. Kansteiner, III (American diplomat)
Peter J. Katzenstein (political scientist, academic)
Robert Kagan (cofounded Project for the New American Century)
Nancy Kassebaum (former Republican Senator from Kansas, daughter of Alf Landon, and wife of Howard Baker)
Thomas Kean, Sr. (Republican politician, 48th Governor of New Jersey)
John Kerry (United States Senator of Massachusetts, 2004 Democratic Party nominee for the Presidency)
Vanessa Kerry (doctor of medicine, liberal activist, daughter of John Kerry)
Henry Kissinger (8th National Security Advisor under Richard Nixon and 56th United States Secretary of State under President's Nixon and Ford)
Joe Klein (Time Magazine columnist)
Richard Kogan (former CEO of Schering-Plough from 1996 to 2003, board member of Colgate-Palmolive and The Bank of New York Mellon)
Paul R. Krugman (economist, columnist for the New York Times)
Anil Kumar (businessman, former senior partner at McKinsey)
Charles Krauthammer (columnist for the Washington Post and political commentator at Fox News)
Zalmay Khalilzad (26th ambassador to the United Nations under George W. Bush)
Philip Lader (diplomat, chairman of WPP Group)
Richard W. Lariviere (Scholar, President of the University of Oregon)
Jim Leach (former Republican United States congressman from Iowa, chairman of the National Endowment for the Humanities under Obama)
John Robert Lewis (Democratic United States congressman from the state of Georgia, famed civil-rights leader)
Jim Lehrer (journalist, former anchor for PBS)
Joe Lieberman (former United States Independent Senator from Connecticut)
Lewis Libby (attorney, former chief-of-staff to Vice-President Dick Cheney)
Herbert London [academic, conservative activist, former dean of Gallatin School of Individualized Study]
Nigel Lythgoe (television producer)
Fred Malek (businessman, former President of Marriott Hotels and Northwest Airlines)
David Malpass (economist, Republican Party politician)
John McCain (United States Republican Senator from Arizona, 2008 Republican Party nominee for the Presidency)
Bud McFarlane (13th national security advisor to Ronald Reagan)
William Green Miller (United States Ambassador to Ukraine under Bill Clinton)
George J. Mitchell (17th Senate Majority Leader of the United States Senate]
Walter Mondale (42nd Vice-President of the United States)
Robert Mosbacher, Jr. (businessman, son of Robert Mosbacher)
Les Moonves (President and Chief Executive Officer of CBS)
Bill Moyers (former press-secretary to Lyndon Johnson, public commentator for PBS)
Langhorne A. Motley [former diplomat] and state department official]
David Mulford (former United States Ambassador to India and current Vice-Chairman International of Credit Suisse)
Rupert Murdoch (founder/chairman/CEO of News Corp and Fox News)
Heather Nauert (journalist and anchor for Fox News)
Janet Napolitano (3rd United States Secretary of Homeland Security under Obama, 21st Governor of Arizona)
John D. Negroponte (former United States Deputy Secretary of State and former Director of National Intelligence under George W. Bush)
Joseph Nye (academic)
Sandra Day O'Connor (former United States Supreme Court justice)
Stan O'Neal (former Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of the Board of Merrill Lynch)
George Pataki (Republican politician, 53rd Governor of New York)
Henry Paulson (74th United States Treasury Secretary under George W. Bush)
Robert Pastor (national security adviser, son-in-law to Robert McNamara)
David Petraeus (United States Army General, former head of CENTCOM, 22nd director of the CIA)
Peter G. Peterson (20th United States Secretary of Commerce under Nixon)
Steve Pieczenik (former state department official, 911 conspiracy theorist)
Kitty Pilgrim (journalist and anchor on CNN)
Richard Pipes (academic, father of founder/director of Middle East Forum Daniel Pipes)
Daniel Pipes (academic, writer, historian, son of Richard Pipes)
Norman Podhoretz (former editor-in-chief of "Commentary", senior fellow at the Hudson Institute, Project for the New American Century (PNAC) signatory)
Steve Poizner (California businessman and Republican politician)
Roman Popadiuk (former United States Ambassador to Ukraine, Executive Director of the George Bush Presidential Library Foundation)
Colin Powell (65th United States Secretary of State under Bush-43, 16th National Security Advisor under Reagan, 12th Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Bush-41)
Tom Petri (Republican United States congressman from Wisconsin)
Priscilla Presley (actress and former chairwoman of the board of Elvis Presley Enterprises)
Charles Prince (former chief executive officer of Citigroup)
Jennifer Raab [President of Hunter College]
Janet Reno (78th United States Attorney General under Clinton)
Condoleezza Rice (66th United States Secretary of State under Bush-43)
Dan Rather (journalist, formerly anchor at CBS)
Charles Rangel (United States Democratic Congressman from New York City)
Alice Rivlin (economist, former U.S. cabinet member)
David Rockefeller, Jr.
John D. Rockefeller, IV (United States Democratic Party Senator of West Virginia, 29th Governor of West Virginia)
Charlie Rose (PBS journalist and The Early Show anchor)
Liz Rosenberg (publicist)
Chuck Robb (64th Governor of Virginia, former Democratic Party U.S. Senator from Virginia, son-in-law of Lyndon B. Johnson)
Edward Regan (former state comptroller of New york)
Robert Rubin (70th Secretary of the Treasury under Bill Clinton)
Haim Saban (founder of Saban Capital Group)
Jeffrey D. Sachs (American economist)
Diane Sawyer (ABC News journalist)
Stephen M. Schwebel (jurist, former judge on the International Court of Justice)
Michael Shifter (academic, president of the Inter-American Dialogue)
Dan Senor (former foreign policy advisor to George W. Bush, former Fox News foreign policy analyst)
Amity Shlaes (Bloomberg News columnist, and historian)
Timothy Shriver (chairman & CEO of the Special Olympics)
David Stern (commissioner of the NBA)
John Spratt (former Democratic United States congressman from South Carolina)
Karenna Gore Schiff (daughter of Al Gore)
Olympia J. Snowe (Republican United States Senator from Maine)
Brent Scowcroft (9th & 17th United States National Security Advisor under Presidents Gerald Ford and George H. W. Bush)
George Shultz (60th United States Secretary of State under Reagan, 62nd United States Secretary of the Treasury and 11th United States Secretary of Labor under Richard Nixon]
Frederick W. Smith (CEO and founder of FedEx)
Andrew Ross Sorkin (business journalist for New York Times and CNBC)
Walter B. Slocombe (former Under Secretary of Defense for Policy)
George Soros (currency speculator, investor, businessman)
Lesley Stahl (CBS News journalist)
Donna Shalala (18th United States Secretary of Health and Human Services under Bill Clinton, President of the University of Miami)
Eduard Shevardnadze (2nd President of Georgia)
Eric Shinseki (7th United States Secretary of Veterans Affairs under Obama, 34th Chief of Staff of the United States Army under Clinton & Bush)
Adlai Stevenson III (former Democratic United States Senator from Illinois, son of Adlai Stevenson II)
George Stephanopoulos (former White House press-secretary under Bill Clinton, Good Morning America anchor, This Week with George Stephanopoulos host)
Laurence H. Silberman (United States federal judge)
Robert Silvers (editor of New York Review of Books)
Stansfield Turner (United States Navy Admiral, 12th director of the CIA under Jimmy Carter)
Doug Turner (Republican party operative/Politician, public relations operative)
Richard Thornburgh (76th Attorney-General of the United States of America under Reagan & Bush, 76th Governor of Pennsylvania)
John L. Thornton (chairman of Brookings Institution, academic, former president of Goldman Sachs]
Fred Thompson (attorney, actor, radio talk-show host, former Republican United States Senator from Tennessee,)
Shirley Temple (actress, diplomat)
Frances Townsend [former United States Homeland Security Advisor]
Kathleen Kennedy Townsend (Former Democratic Lieutenant Governor of Maryland, member of the Kennedy family)
Tom Vilsack (30th United States Secretary of Agriculture under Obama, 40th Governor of Iowa)
Paul Volcker (12th Chairman of the Federal Reserve)
Rick Warren (American Christian leader, Senior Pastor of the Saddleback Church)
Peter J. Wallison (20th White House Counsel to Ronald Reagan, former lawyer to Nelson Rockefeller)
Barbara Walters (ABC News journalist)
Vin Weber (former United States Republican Congressman from Minnesota)
Steven Weinberg (American physicist)
John C. Whitehead (chairman of the World Trade Center Memorial Foundation, former United States Deputy Secretary of State under Ronald Reagan, former Goldman Sachs chairman)
Christine Todd Whitman (50th Governor of New Jersey, 9th administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency under George W. Bush)
Shirley Williams, Baroness Williams of Crosby (British member of parliament, International Advisory Board member)
Richard S. Williamson (diplomat, lawyer, former chairman of the Republican Party of Illinois)
Oprah Winfrey (media mogul, actress, founder of Harpo Inc.)
James D. Wolfensohn (former president of the World Bank)
Paul Wolfowitz (10th President of the World Bank, former U.S. Deputy Secretary of Defense under Bush-43)
James Woolsey (16th Director of Central Intelligence under Bill Clinton)
Dov S. Zakheim (academic and Department of Defense official under Reagan and George W. Bush)
Paula Zahn (journalist, former anchor at Fox News and CNN)
James Zogby (academic, political commentator and pollster)
Robert Zoellick (11th President of the World Bank)
[edit]Notable historical members
Kenneth Bacon (American journalist)
Conrad Black (International Advisory Board member)
Tom Braden (former CIA agent and liberal journalist)
George Wildman Ball (American diplomat)
Spruille Braden (American diplomat, businessman)
McGeorge Bundy (National Security advisor for Presidents John F. Kennedy & Lyndon B. Johnson)
William Bundy (Central Intelligence Agency agent, historian)
William F. Buckley, Jr (commentator, publisher, founder of the National Review)
Jonathan Bingham (Democratic congressman from New York, diplomat)
Paul Cravath (lawyer, one of the founders of the Council on Foreign Relations)
Monica Crowley (former Richard Nixon aide, radio host, and columnist)
John Chafee (former Secretary of the Navy, and Republican senator from Rhode Island)
Warren Christopher (former United States Secretary of State)
Thomas E. Dewey (47th governor of New York, former Republican nominee for President in 1944 and 1948)
Michael Raoul Duval (attorney for Richard Nixon & Gerald Ford)
C. Douglas Dillon (57th Secretary of the Treasury of the United States under John F. Kennedy & Lyndon Johnson, under-secretary of state under Dwight D. Eisenhower)
Allen Dulles (former Director of the CIA)
John Foster Dulles (52nd Secretary of State of the United States under Ike Eisenhower)
Lawrence Eagleburger (former United States Secretary of State under President George H. W. Bush)
Jeffrey E. Epstein (financier)[7]
Rowland Evans [journalist]
John Exter [economist]
Gerald Ford (38th President of the United States of America)
Geraldine Ferraro (former Democratic New York congresswoman, first woman on a major party presidential ticket in 1984)
Alexander Haig (United States Army General, 59th Secretary of State of the United States under Ronald Reagan)
Sidney Harman (businessman, owner of Newsweek)
Armand Hammer (businessman, investor)
W. Averell Harriman (48th Governor of New York, diplomat, 11th United States Secretary of Commerce under Harry S Truman)
H. John Heinz III (former Republican United States Senator from Pennsylvania)
Richard Holbrooke [diplomat, investment banker, 22nd United States UN Ambassador]
Herbert Hoover (31st President of the United States)
Henry Hyde (former Republican congressman from Illinois)
Sergei Karaganov (International Advisory Board member)
Irving Kristol (journalist, writer, dubbed "The godfather of neoconservatism, father of Bill Kristol)
Jack Kemp (Hall of Fame quarterback, Republican congressman from New York, 9th United States Secretary of Housing and Urban Development under Bush-41, 1996 Republican Vice-Presidential nominee)
George Kennan (diplomat, historian)
Jeane Kirkpatrick (diplomat, 16th United States Ambassador to the United Nations)
Ivy Lee (founding father of public relations)
Robert A. Lovett (4th Secretary of Defense of the United States under Truman)
Robert Matsui (former Democratic Party congressman from California)
John J. McCloy (lawyer, banker)
Charles Peter McColough (businessman)
George McGovern (former Democratic senator from South Dakota, 1972 Democratic Party nominee for President)
Robert McNamara (8th Secretary of Defense under Presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson, 5th President of the World Bank)
Daniel Patrick Moynihan (diplomat, former Democratic Senator from New York)
Edmund Muskie (58th Secretary of State of the United States)
Richard M. Nixon (37th President of the United States)
Paul Nitze (Secretary of the Navy under Lyndon Johnson)
Nelson Rockefeller (41st Vice-President of the United States, and Governor of New York)
John D. Rockefeller 3rd
Felix Rohatyn (investment banker)
Mark B. Rosenberg (President of Florida International University)
Eugene Rostow (former dean of Yale law, legal scholar)
Walt Rostow (7th National Security advisor to Lyndon Johnson)
Dean Rusk (54th Secretary of State of the United States under Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson)
Abraham A. Ribicoff (former Democratic United States Senator from Connecticut)
William V. Roth, Jr. (former Republican United States Senator of Delaware).
Carl Sagan (American scientist)
Arthur Schlesinger (historian, academic)
Raymond P. Shafer (former Republican governor of Pennsylvania)
Tony Snow (former press secretary to George W. Bush, journalist, radio talk-show host)
Ron Silver (actor, director, producer, co-founded One Jerusalem)
Strobe Talbott (diplomat, chairman of Brookings Institution, journalist)
Cyrus Vance (57th Secretary of State of the United States under Jimmy Carter)
Vernon A. Walters (United States Army General, 17th U.S. ambassador of the U.N.)
John Wheeler III (Vietnam veteran, military consultant, presidential aide; found murdered on Dec. 31, 2010)
Paul Warburg (banker)
Caspar Weinberger (15th Secretary of Defense for the United States under Ronald Reagan)
Albert Wohlstetter
Roberta Wohlstetter
[edit]List of Chairmen
Russell Cornell Leffingwell 1946–53
John J. McCloy 1953–70
David Rockefeller 1970–85
Peter G. Peterson 1985–2007
Carla A. Hills (co-chairman) 2007–
Robert E. Rubin (co-chairman) 2007–
[edit]List of presidents
John W. Davis 1921–33
George W. Wickersham 1933–36
Norman H. Davis 1936–44
Russell Cornell Leffingwell 1944–46
Allen Welsh Dulles 1946–50
Henry Merritt Wriston 1951–64
Grayson L. Kirk 1964–71
Bayless Manning 1971–77
Winston Lord 1977–85
John Temple Swing 1985–86 (Pro tempore)
Peter Tarnoff 1986–93
Alton Frye 1993
Leslie Gelb 1993–2003
Richard N. Haass 2003–

Don't you see the bigger picture??

reply to post by CIAGypsy


Actually I've had that happen. Read my name backwards CIA it's Walus now go and Wiki Frank Walus. That is my (Immediate) Grandfather on my dads side. I know that pain all to well. And it's not even possible for my grandfather to accomplish that which he was tried for. He would only be a young boy. Then again this is just one event. The families your talking about have a laundry list of details that goes pretty deep. I do read a lot of book containing some interesting informaiton. Yes a lot of it is filth and garbage and some I don't believe because of how far fetched it is. But then again that laundry list of detailed reports and accounts of these people is hard to discredit. I meant no disrespect with my original post I know it sounded bad =/ my apologies.

Originally posted by CIAGypsy
But you also cannot ignore:

From the beginning, The New School maintained close ties to Europe. Its founders had, in part, modeled the school after the Volkshochschulen for adults established in Germany. Then during the 1920s, Alvin Johnson, The New School’s director, became co-editor of the Encyclopedia of the Social Sciences. While working on this massive undertaking, Johnson collaborated regularly with colleagues in Germany and elsewhere in Europe. It was they who made him aware of the danger the Nazi movement presented to democracy and the civilized world before many in the United States had grasped the seriousness of the situation. In 1933, when Hitler came to power and began to purge Jews and politically hostile elements from German universities, Johnson responded. With the financial support of philanthropist Hiram Halle and the Rockefeller Foundation, he obtained funding to provide a haven in the United States for scholars whose careers (and lives) were threatened by the Nazis.

Source - www.newschool.edu...

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Yeah, but isn't obvious that's what his New School friends are gonna say that to avoid justice? Rockefeller (and his clan) other option would be to admit the whole thing and get a sentence as nazi supporters. OF COURSE they are going to say they were "opposed" to nazism after nazis got rounded up. As I said, they still got brains. You seem to assume these guys won't adapt with recent events.

It's not that I blame those who have had a lot of money and so power not only in a material sense by creating companies/jobs but also because those with money are often considered role models, they are succesful so everyone should follow them or become like them. It's impossible to blame anyone in particular for the current state of the world, the only argument I can think of is how it is a bad thing for people to keep money rather than spending it in case of wealthy families. It should be an obligation for the rich to spend as much they can either on services or material longlasting goods because of the banking system altogether.

I don't believe the rich families are wise rather cunning. If they were wise, they would have bought an island by now and settled for less luxury but more positivity from people who they would support in a town they could have built with their money. People living there could have gotten a good life with good education, a roof over their heads and food. Life would be very different there. They could also have gotten a lot of loyal spiritual supporters if they had such a village with a monastery. I don't know any of the families personally but I'm sure there have been contacts with spiritual seekers who would offer services in exchange for money.

If they had done something like that, I'm sure the afterlife would have less troubled souls who can't get out of the money system. In the afterlife I believe money doesn't exist, it's information mostly or just being kind to one another. So even if those families have had a lot of power in society which would be unequally shared between it's members in the next life I doubt they will have the same, besides possibly a lot of souls who would be against them also. That is the only price I think those families will have to pay for the next few centuries, being scorned by other souls for their contribution to the bigger mess.

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Well I'll be a monkey's uncle.... Dragon.... Even though I rarely agree with you.... And there are some Articulate Loop holes in how you posted a response..... I actually find myself agreeing with you. Might not mean anything to you. But props man/woman not really sure.... Articulate none the less and I totally agree~

reply to post by CIAGypsy

The whole thing is silly.. That's kind of like when lemon face whats his name, that guy who looks like he is always sucking on a lemon...Donal Trump I believe, once I heard him or one of his clan say on TV, something along the lines of the he has lived in poverty and was poor because he has been through bankruptcy a few time...Well if you consider being poor and poverty as living in a hundred thousand $$$ a night rooms at the top of one of them giant tombstones skyscrapers hotels or whatever there called, while your supposedly broke and poor then your definition of poor and everybody else is a bit off.

In which case just shows how out of touch with there fellow men all of them really are, kind of George Bush in one of his press conferences speeches was going on how great it is to live in a country were you can work two jobs, when a lady said that she had to work two jobs just to support herself, and on and on he went like clockwork when they were not even on the same page at all. Like I said out of touch, not even in the same stratosphere. But then again, well then its all a matter of how you look at it. Or in this case and the above cases its all just a matter of how you don't look at it at all.

But people make to much about these Rothschilds, or the others, they are human after all, made of meet and they do bleed and die when you prick them just like everybody else. In all they do not even rule the world, they are merely the accumulation and congestion of the centrifugal natures and mind frames of there fellow men ie as above and so bellow. And make no mistake if you were to get rid of them all and set another in there place the same things will happen with pretty much the same frequency. Humans just need idols as they were designed that way, and really it does not matter who or what that or those idols are, as can bee seen by... Well pretty much everything, when was the last time you seen some group of people worship some idiotic and silly thing? The answer is. All the dam time, humanity has adhered to silly stupid, retarded or just plain not good for them rules, regulations, or rulers who they set above them. It merely fills a vacuum in that space which they were designed to fill and conditioned to fill.

Basically you take any other guy walking the street and you place him or her or them in that same position and things will not change by much if at all. Altruism is not generally in the nature of the human animal, Opportunism supersedes altruism at every turn and most if not all of history is proof of that. I am not even going to ask who the Astors are, I'll wait till it comes out on DVD or on HBO or they make a movie about it...

Originally posted by galadofwarthethird
I am not even going to ask who the Astors are, I'll wait till it comes out on DVD or on HBO or they make a movie about it...

The Astors as in the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel.

You know, one of those tombstone buildings in New York City.

It has a pretty nice bar.

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Srry I never heard of it. And those building all look the same to me, but they must have a brochure or something so I am sure it is quite lovely.

Originally posted by galadofwarthethird
And those building all look the same to me, but they must have a brochure or something so I am sure it is quite lovely.

Very. 1930's Art Deco.

Even if you never heard of it you can thank them next time you stay at a hotel, they invented room service.

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Do you work for the CIA?

Originally posted by swan001

Originally posted by CIAGypsy
And everything you have said shows YOUR bias. I have given you facts, all documented. I have given you Rockefeller in his own words

And everything you said shows that you believe everything you see in the media - although these media are members of CFR, along with Rockefeller. Your documents (which I will still consider, don't get me wrong) came from newspaper whose directors are sitting in the CFR along with Rockefeller. Rockefeller's own words will OBVIOUSLY be biased by himself. Here is the list of all members of the CFR (source: en.wikipedia.org...):

It has nothing to do with believing "media." Most of what I posted has nothing to do with the media.

As far as the people & companies you posted on the CFR, so what??? Take a wild guess at how many people those companies employ COLLECTIVELY? Yes...those companies drive ECONOMY. Every major corporation must have people to run them. If you, as a company executive, aren't looking out for the best interest of your shareholders....well....you aren't a very good executive, then, are you? Do you even know what the purpose of the CFR is? It's meant to be a way for businesses, academia, and government to come together....from all over the world....to talk about cooperation, solving global problems, etc.

You are only suspicious of it because

1. some conspiracy theorist played upon your class envy and made you believe anyone tied to the CFR wants to make you a slave of some sort.

2. because you aren't personally "included"

There are almost 4700 members in the CFR. Do you *honestly* believe that every one of those individuals is bent on destroying or conquering the world and making everyone slaves?

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by galadofwarthethird
And those building all look the same to me, but they must have a brochure or something so I am sure it is quite lovely.

Very. 1930's Art Deco.

Even if you never heard of it you can thank them next time you stay at a hotel, they invented room service.

Sure they did, it was right around the time they invented rooms right? Also if your interested, have you heard that little line about how the dinosaurs were wiped out by a meteor. Well that is a utterly total and complete lie, a meteor did not kill the dinosaurs...I did.

You know how I know all of this, its because I stayed at Holiday Inn Express Hotel once.

Originally posted by swan001

Yeah, but isn't obvious that's what his New School friends are gonna say that to avoid justice? Rockefeller (and his clan) other option would be to admit the whole thing and get a sentence as nazi supporters. OF COURSE they are going to say they were "opposed" to nazism after nazis got rounded up. As I said, they still got brains. You seem to assume these guys won't adapt with recent events.

edit on 18-4-2013 by swan001 because: (no reason given)

See? You prove my point. I can provide you evidence that refutes your position...and your response is "they are lying and faking it...."

Delusional....good luck to you and your tin foil hat.

reply to post by CIAGypsy


Yes, Yes, People like the Rockefellers, Vanderbilts, Warburg, Thyssen, Thurn und Taxis and especially Rothschilds are pillars of society, beacons of humanity, our saviours from evil....


well much is happening in the dark despite shills like yourself struggling to give them a good name. Here is one example how evil they are.



link

Do you see the smirk on his face. This guy will not spend a day in real prison. He was caught yes, but strings are pulled and positions offered to corruptable judges and prosecutors. He ll walk and continue to do what they all do best. Use ppl like yourself to promote their "philanthropic" cause in the world.

Sure you can always claim all of these scum are not like him but I know better. This case is but one small tip of a huge iceberg hidden under black surface of immeasurable evil.



:lol

Originally posted by galadofwarthethird

Sure they did, it was right around the time they invented rooms right?

The first hotel in the world to offer room service...source

Somebody had to do it.

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Good point John Carter. And that's only the tip of the iceberg.

Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
reply to post by CIAGypsy

 

Do you work for the CIA?

I am starting to wonder the same thing.

Originally posted by CIAGypsy
You are only suspicious of it because

1. some conspiracy theorist played upon your class envy and made you believe anyone tied to the CFR wants to make you a slave of some sort.

2. because you aren't personally "included"

Is that your goal? Defend the CFR so you could be be included in the CFR or profit some of the Rich Guy's wealth? I personally have higher ethical standards than to look for partnership with destroyers of the Earth - its ecosystem, its health, etc.

There are almost 4700 members in the CFR. Do you *honestly* believe that every one of those individuals is bent on destroying or conquering the world and making everyone slaves?

It's a pyramid structure. 4700 under the control of a handful of rich men who are afraid to lose control. Like Bush, member of the CFR.