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Things Mrs Margaret Thatcher didn't do

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posted on Apr, 16 2013 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by something wicked

Originally posted by Parksie
Didnt do. LoL. Had to delete my post
edit on 14-4-2013 by Parksie because: (no reason given)


OK she didn't provide any kind of back up plan for the miners that were going to lose a job and the families that were going to split up and people starving. A simple screw you and people went through riots and beatings. She should have handled it differently.
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Wilson closed more mines and more miners lost their jobs under him than Thatcher..... but for some strange reason that doesn't seem to get reported much these days.



I see you are being economical with your facts. When pits where closed in the 1960's during the Wilson Governments, there was virtually FULL EMPLOYMENT in the UK. Miners who left the coal industry during that time got jobs in other industries. Unlike the Thatcher era, when redundent miners where thrown on the scrap heap.

If you want to give facts, then balance them.




posted on Apr, 16 2013 @ 02:00 PM
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Things Thatcher didn't do…

i) Support a ban on the ivory trade (the only European leader not to do so).
ii) Allow a ship crewed by naval cadets to continue its journey AWAY from a naval exclusion zone.
iii) See anything wrong in pushing the idea of an economy based on tertiary rather than primary industries...
iv) ...unless the primary industry in question was an arms manufacturer.
v) Give a # about the poor of these islands.

The list is too long and it's really too soon after her demise to really start laying into her. And that's without even starting on the things she actually did do. Although I refuse to celebrate the death of another human being, I shall not mourn her passing.

edit on 16-4-2013 by roguedesigner because: brainfreeze.....



posted on Apr, 16 2013 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by glen200376
The feminist icon,lol who didn't promote any other females to the cabinet.

ahh thats a bad thing lol



posted on Apr, 16 2013 @ 02:18 PM
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Another of Thatchers Gems. The Arms To Iraq Scandal.

It resulted in "The Scott Enquiry"

en.wikipedia.org...

The Minister Of Trade at the time in Thatchers Government was Alan Clarke. At the enquiry he admitted he had been ""economical with the actualité" in answer to parliamentary questions over export licences to Iraq"



posted on Apr, 16 2013 @ 02:43 PM
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i've enjoyed venting a little of my feelings here - as stated by another poster earlier, i too felt it crass to celebrate the death of an old woman so stayed away from these threads despite my disgust at her.
i grew up in a fairly average middle class family who at the time did financially ok under the tories and were trad tory voters, but as i entered adolescence the miners strike (amongst other social events of the time) had a major effect on me, as did seeing the tory attitude to less well off school friends and their families.
i remember at that time (living near birmingham) everyone knew loads of folk that worked at longbridge for example (tens of thousands worked there), folk in the steel industry and other manufacturing. well it's all gone now and the country is a bleeding mess without those core industries and the stabilising effect they had on communities.
sure, we have a history of crappy politicians and more than our fair share of poor pms, but thatcher was a breed apart... someone hit the nail on the head earlier when saying that leaders lead, they dont divide and conquer - thats the behaviour of a hostile invader.
edit on 16-4-2013 by skalla because: typing skills of a crab



posted on Apr, 16 2013 @ 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by 0rbital

Originally posted by ballymoney50
back it up with something i can hit you back with



I'm from Liverpool. Do I need to say anymore? Or do you not know enough about how this woman you're defending affected my city and it's people? To hear you say ''she wasn't that bad'' makes me feel offended to the core. As nice as you seem I think you must go through life with rose tinted glasses.


Ok your from Liverpool and you had it bad just like and good percentage of the people of Britain maybe i do have rose tinted glasses but after what my countries been through for 30 + years i'm damn well glad iv'e got those rose tinted glasses and hope i never have to take them of and for you saying i'm defending her i just don't no what to say apart from grow up.

Iv'e said a hundred times every PM does his wee tour of Britain for 4 years or more as the case my be and leaves the next one with the mess they left behind and Maggie hasn't been the best but she wasn't the worst.

Look at N.Ireland just over the water from you do they moan nope because they picked themselves up dusted themselves down and got on with it the hard way do i need to say more?



posted on Apr, 16 2013 @ 06:00 PM
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Are you picking through the whole of the internet to find we gems to throw into his thread? Well you've got me there because i haven't a clue how to embed things yet so you have me on that one! Sorry i'm a thick paddy those only found her calling to ATS a while ago and i'm just enjoying the company lol.
edit on 16-4-2013 by ballymoney50 because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 06:45 AM
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Hmm things she didn´t do....


There are sooooo many dirty jokes that come to mind right now. But I will keep my mouth shut hehe.



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 07:27 AM
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lol Night i'd ask you to U2U me one or two but i likely fall outta bed laughing and not be able to get back up



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 07:37 AM
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www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk...

So she didn't keep her mouth shut much that's for sure.



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 07:50 AM
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Originally posted by ballymoney50
Ok your from Liverpool and you had it bad just like and good percentage of the people of Britain maybe i do have rose tinted glasses but after what my countries been through for 30 + years i'm damn well glad iv'e got those rose tinted glasses and hope i never have to take them of and for you saying i'm defending her i just don't no what to say apart from grow up.



Yep, a lot of cities went through the same thing over the country. You say pick yourself up and dust off but the damage is done and I won't forgive or forget what that creature did to the country.

You carry on wearing your rose tinted glasses...a.k.a carry on living in ignorance....though one day you should take them off and look at reality as it is.



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 08:00 AM
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Why bring up the Irish? Maybe you think N.Ireland shouldn't be British is that what your saying here if it is maybe you should read up on this past 50 years before you bring a rag like the Belfast Telegraph and what Mandy says into it he's also a lair and a back stabber maybe you should read back to old Belfast Telegraphs to see what they said about him then, read up on his involvement in N.Ireland and tell me you trust what that man says, the mans a baffoon.



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 08:10 AM
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I'll be commenting on you in a little while i'm sorry that i'm not very quick at this replying back but i have to write everything down first or i forget lol it takes a while, i was glad i got someone with the Belfast Telegraph article as my daughter brought me it up last night so i just knew i'd get something back about Mandy Mo and the lair comment.

This past few days i was out of sorts and i'm coming round to-day so which this space as they say, i forget things when i'm like that and get a bit slow on the old brain up take.

Thank you for your reply and as i said watch this space but give me an hour or so to type it out


You might be changing your mind about the glasses but we will see
edit on 17-4-2013 by ballymoney50 because: glasses



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by ballymoney50
reply to post by alldaylong
 


Are you picking through the whole of the internet to find we gems to throw into his thread? Well you've got me there because i haven't a clue how to embed things yet so you have me on that one! Sorry i'm a thick paddy those only found her calling to ATS a while ago and i'm just enjoying the company lol.
edit on 16-4-2013 by ballymoney50 because: (no reason given)


I don't have to trawl through the internet to find these "Gems". I am old enough to remember them as and when they happened. I also remember Labour's Robin Cook forensically destroying The Tories defence of "The Arms To Iraq Scandal"



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 02:39 PM
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Well back as promised
Steelworkers.......countries where making cheaper steel than us and we just couldn't keep up with them even though our steel was of a better quality who do we blame for that, easy our government from long ago not Maggie and i will tell you why after i explain the rest.

Miners.......miners where pulling coal out of mines for Britain for years and glad we where of it to on cold winter nights but what happened was companies who owned coal yards started bringing in cheap coal from overseas to cut costs it didn't matter to them that the coal was crap and sparked as long as they where filling there pockets, these coal yards where not British owned just on British soil owned by British subjects (sometimes foreign). I know Hoddens coal yard in N.Ireland's coal came in from Poland and elsewhere. Whose again to blame the government, which government?

Shipyards my favourite............just as above the shipyards went into decline with cheaper contracts going overseas, some shipyards kept there heads just above water by putting in bigger cranes like they did in Belfast others bigger holdings and slips, money well spend but for nothing, at one time i'm proud to say Belfast had the biggest cranes around these parts right up until the 80's, then as i said contracts started going elsewhere in the world as those countries could get cheaper men and labour for the work. Whose fault was it again the government but not just Maggie's government it was one's way before that and right up to the present day and i'm about to tell you why.

Your going to get a history lesson, in days of old when Britain ruled the waves (Ulster was just a baby then) we sent out ambassadors with ships, men and sometimes whole families to other countries to show them what our little old country could do and other countries in Europe did the same, as we thought they were a bit behind the times and backward and needed a push shall we say, well any hoo are ambassadors got them working on ideas for ships and then steelworks went up as the years went by along with sweat shops!

When these over the sea countries started to get with the program it was great as they could throw together a lot of things cheaper than the countries who came to find them, governments in China, Japan and yes even our American cousins along with dear knows how many more the list goes on started to get a building each and we called them Embassies here in good old Britain as well as other countries to of course. So who will we blame now as we can't blame Maggie for Britain wanting to get her fingers into so many pies now can we? Plus she wasn't born when we started to sail the 7 seas.

Did you know our steelworks where asked once just like America to make this cheaper steel and they said no, later when it was to late they where going to do it but the deed had been done to close them so it just didn't happen has the country had no money to pump into it.

Your history lesson for to-day is over as my rose tinted glasses have steamed up with all this typing. Sorry for the long wait on getting up and running again.



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by ballymoney50
Well back as promised
Steelworkers.......countries where making cheaper steel than us and we just couldn't keep up with them even though our steel was of a better quality who do we blame for that, easy our government from long ago not Maggie and i will tell you why after i explain the rest.

Miners.......miners where pulling coal out of mines for Britain for years and glad we where of it to on cold winter nights but what happened was companies who owned coal yards started bringing in cheap coal from overseas to cut costs it didn't matter to them that the coal was crap and sparked as long as they where filling there pockets, these coal yards where not British owned just on British soil owned by British subjects (sometimes foreign). I know Hoddens coal yard in N.Ireland's coal came in from Poland and elsewhere. Whose again to blame the government, which government?

Shipyards my favourite............just as above the shipyards went into decline with cheaper contracts going overseas, some shipyards kept there heads just above water by putting in bigger cranes like they did in Belfast others bigger holdings and slips, money well spend but for nothing, at one time i'm proud to say Belfast had the biggest cranes around these parts right up until the 80's, then as i said contracts started going elsewhere in the world as those countries could get cheaper men and labour for the work. Whose fault was it again the government but not just Maggie's government it was one's way before that and right up to the present day and i'm about to tell you why.

Your going to get a history lesson, in days of old when Britain ruled the waves (Ulster was just a baby then) we sent out ambassadors with ships, men and sometimes whole families to other countries to show them what our little old country could do and other countries in Europe did the same, as we thought they were a bit behind the times and backward and needed a push shall we say, well any hoo are ambassadors got them working on ideas for ships and then steelworks went up as the years went by along with sweat shops!

When these over the sea countries started to get with the program it was great as they could throw together a lot of things cheaper than the countries who came to find them, governments in China, Japan and yes even our American cousins along with dear knows how many more the list goes on started to get a building each and we called them Embassies here in good old Britain as well as other countries to of course. So who will we blame now as we can't blame Maggie for Britain wanting to get her fingers into so many pies now can we? Plus she wasn't born when we started to sail the 7 seas.

Did you know our steelworks where asked once just like America to make this cheaper steel and they said no, later when it was to late they where going to do it but the deed had been done to close them so it just didn't happen has the country had no money to pump into it.

Your history lesson for to-day is over as my rose tinted glasses have steamed up with all this typing. Sorry for the long wait on getting up and running again.





Maybe Britain shouldn't have began "The Industrial Revolution"
By your logic we should have left it to someone else and then just copy their ideas.



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 03:25 PM
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Your going to have to ask your government that from back then! Opps you can't ah well.

Are you sure you read it all and didn't skip over a line or two? I suppose i should be thankful the tinted glasses weren't mentioned lol.

If you read the post right you would have noticed i'm sure that most things since the 60's are now made overseas i remember my dad moaning about it then so its been happening for quite some time i think the governments like to call it moving with the times tut!!! Though its a pity there pay packets didn't.


I just realised you give me 2 lines for my super speech do you no how long it took my old arthritic hands to type that out

edit on 17-4-2013 by ballymoney50 because: a two liner



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 05:42 PM
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What a surprise for the vast numbers of people in Britain and overseas is the 'demented

hatred'
for Mrs Thatcher expressed predominately by two groups, those in former mining

areas and predictably those in scabrous left wing groupuscules, such as the Socialist

Workers (most of whom were born after 1979) so were at most 11 when Mrs Thatcher left

office in 1990.


What is the truth about Britain when Mrs Thatcher came into office May 3rd 1979 ?


1979 was preceded by a decade of mounting chaos under the previous Prime Ministers

# Edward Heath (1970 -1974) # Harold Wilson (1974 - 1976) # James Calahan (1976 - 1979)

The chief feature of their periods in office was virtually unmanageable work forces in large

sections of heavy industry ... coal, railways, vehicles, steel and shipyards in particular. These

were all in the public sector at that time, and trades union leaders took full advantage of the

perception that faced with strikes, the tax payer represented politicians would capitulate

often for pay increases of up to 25% in one year!! The combined effect of arrogant trades

union leaders completely divorced from the reality of earning a living, a truculent workforce

full of their own entitlement to unearned wages, and demoralised managements were the

outstanding features of mounting chaos.

* 126million working days lost between 1970 - 1979

* the pound halved in value against the deutschemark our principal industrial competitor

1971 - 1979

* Britain having to ask for an IMF bail out in 1976 like Greece and Cyprus today

* The infamous 'winter of discontent' 1978 - 1979 the dead lay unburied, rubbish piled

up in the streets, access to hospitals was controlled by ignorant, self appointed shop

stewards of the NUPE

* Icy winter roads remained uncleared and icy (I know I had an accident on black ice)

* In 1973 a fuel shortage culminated in the three day working week ... when dining

by candle light took on a whole new meaning.


* British car production halved in the 1970's from 1.9million in 1972 to 850,000 in 1979.

The labour governments response was to provide BL with a further 450million of taxpayers

money! ( £1,500 million in todays money)


Those under 50 are too young to remember the 1970's were faced with price increases of

over 200% in the ten years of the 1970's. During the 10years of the 1980's increases were

reduced by a factor of three to 69%, and more than halved again to 27.5% in the next decade

as the 'divisive' policies took effect.


# The National Coal Industry ... in the mid 1970's the lowest selling coal was £42 tonne

(most mine costs were higher than this) compared with around £15 tonne for S.African landed

coal on British quaysides

# British shipping in the 1970's faced with falling orders and rising unit costs ... the labour

government produced it's usual remedy for all industry ills, namely 'nationisation'

# Establishing a modern car industry - Mrs Thatcher's government achieved "transplantation

of expertise" to the car industry. *First Nissan in Sunderland in 1986, then *Toyota in Derby

and later *Honda in Swindon have established factories responsible today for more cars of

world beating quality
The number of jobs created at Nissan, its supplies and the adjacent

ports which ship around 400.000 cars to export markets is in the region of 30,000 goes a long

way to replacing jobs lost in Durham Tyne and Wear.

Nissan had stipulated that there should only be one Trade Union in the factory, and not

a single minute has been lost to industrial disputes! And their employees are among the

highest wage earners in the region



What did Mrs Thatcher personally achieve ??

In the preceding five years before she came to power Britain was pitied and despised

abroad
and split apart by rampaging unions. This is the true picture of Britain prior to

Mrs Thatcher's tenure - NOT the fairy tales of harmony propagated by fb scribblers

many not even born when Mrs Thatcher left office in 1990



Her greatest long lasting achievements were


#Restoring respect for Britain

#Fighting and winning the Falklands

#She did more than anyone to ensure the end of the 'Cold war'

#Restoring industrial management at home defeating the unions through successive

industrial relations acts.

#Engendering a culture of enterprise which was totally absent in the 1960/70's



The roots of hatred of Lady T are a combination of jealousy of her achievements

(particularly among university educated women) and an ignorant impotent rage about

poverty as if none existed before 1979!!.

If there was a Victoria Cross for moral courage Mrs T would have won it 3 times over


SOURCE

The complete article by Professor Stephen Bush britainwatch.co.uk...

and click on Margaret Thatcher's Passing



posted on Apr, 18 2013 @ 12:40 AM
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As I stated in a previous post Great Britain did need remodelling due to mismanagement by previous political parties on both sides. It was the way that these changes were implemented and the distress and hardship it caused to millions that has given rise to such resentment and hatred, the government of the day demonstrated such a callous and indifferent attitude to those who found themselves in financial difficulties that beggars the mind. The creation of the 'Greed is Good' culture that stemmed from the Tories policies gave rise to a massive disparity between those that have and those with nothing, privatisation of company’s led to huge salary reductions for workers whilst the shareholders pocketed millions.

I also blame the unions for their pigheaded attitude throughout this era, if only these opposing sides could have have come to the table without stubbornly adhering to their ideology's then maybe, just maybe, the necessary changes could have been in without causing such upheavals.

As for the Falklands Islands, I would also like to refer you to another previous post (its on page 13) in which the government in 1980 told the Islanders that they weren’t in favour of shared sovereignty, but wished to have a Hong Kong type lease agreement for the Falklands with Argentina and told the Islanders that they would not intervene if Argentina invaded (Ref: 'Forgotten Voices of the Falkland wars' Hugh McManners 2007. Wrote in association with the The Imperial War Museum).



posted on Apr, 18 2013 @ 02:59 AM
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It may have been said, but had it been implemented in law ? These type of things

need to be signed off in law?

After all I could tell my other half I want a divorce but unless I actually do

something about it, it will not happen!! (just for the record I am divorced
)


As I have said before
'You can't please all of the people all of the time!

or put another way...'You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs




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