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Things Mrs Margaret Thatcher didn't do

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posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 07:19 AM
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I read your post okay. I've spent the weekend proof reading a dissertation for a Chinese student on China's exports - it doesn't make me an authority on the subject - nor does it make the student who authored it an authority.

And because your 22 year old is at uni and has written a piece on Thatcher - it doesn't make her an authority on the subject either.

People learning about recent history second or third hand are always going to have their views skewed by their educators.




posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 07:26 AM
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I remember all the protests about poll tax etc on the news i just wonder why our ministers didn't pick up on it or was it because N.Ireland had enough on there plates at the time?



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 07:28 AM
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Well i no that its when i read my 22yr olds paper not piece i remembered a lot more as i had forgotten it we can't all be as perfect as you christina!



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 07:30 AM
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LOL .... well done. It's funny how things work out. In my view anyone who is gifted a large amount of cash rarely make good use of it in any case. Perhaps if they had already worked hard and saved up a fair amount already they might appreciate the additional money and realise the value of it, but then they would be the kind of people to fritter it away.

@ christina-66 Another way of raising local tax income is to have a sales tax. We already have VAT on good a services so it would be no additional trouble to put some more % onto the vat and that money goes back to the councils by way of a system I have made up yet.

That way only people with disposable income would be able to buy lots of stuff and contribute to the local services. If you are poor and have no money you would pay anything.



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 07:31 AM
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Do you remember the butter,cheese and sugar mountains in Europe that came over to Britain and we all had a share in it or maybe you're to young to remember about that in the 80's.



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 07:35 AM
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*sighs* I don't regard myself as being perfect in any way at all - I am, like almost everybody else, a deeply flawed individual. I do enjoy learning, and I do enjoy informed debate though. I hold strong convictions that I try to support with reasoned arguments.....but I'm always open to persuasion.

I have spent many a year in Scotland's courts helping my family defend itself in our corrupt court system against corrupt lawyers - and those years have taught me to support what I say with facts - and the law - albeit the Scottish courts tend to ignore law applicable to lawyers.
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posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 07:41 AM
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@ christina-66 Another way of raising local tax income is to have a sales tax. We already have VAT on good a services so it would be no additional trouble to put some more % onto the vat and that money goes back to the councils by way of a system I have made up yet.

That way only people with disposable income would be able to buy lots of stuff and contribute to the local services. If you are poor and have no money you would pay anything.


I can't agree with you there. Sales tax (VAT) is nowadays applied to essentials (gas/electricity and some food items) and is another example of regressive taxation insofar as it takes a higher proportion of the income of the poorer than the wealthiest.

The whole trickle down theory was disproved - because it never worked - those with tons of disposable income don't just keep spending - they hoard it.



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 07:46 AM
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Well i hope you where successful with your fight christina and i really mean that even with all the banter.

I admire people who fight for there rights especially with families and i to have had to do the same here at home only it was me fighting the gits, you no i learnt that much i once though "hay this lawyer things a gift i might try it"!

Thankfully for the people of N.Ireland i didn't bother as i lost my case



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 07:55 AM
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No - it's not over yet - and its been running for 17 years now - actually originating in 1986 .

The thing is, that experience has given me insights into tptb that I actually wish I didn't have. I preferred life when I was a teenager (or younger) when I thought that people in positions of power and authority were there because they were the best people for the job - that they worked for the greater good - and not for short term personal gain.

Now, I know much better, and my knowledge is derived from bitter experience. But the people in charge are far from stupid.

Democracy died in Britain a long long time ago (if indeed we ever truly experienced it) and now we live with corporatism (just a hair's breadth away from fascism). Our country is being run for the benefit of a few vested interests at the expense of the majority of its citizens.

It's really comparatively cheap to buy political favours (especially if the one doing the buying is a corporation). 20 grand to this party AND that party will ensure that you get what you want no matter who is elected.

We live with a system that desperately needs a radical overhaul.
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posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 07:59 AM
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Im currently renting a property from my parents who were lucky enough to come into some money when my dad was forced into redundancy from the forth ports !

He bough me a house and now I rent from him , my council tax is £161 quid a month and its a 3 bedroom house with a garden , just what I want , the council tax is alot compared to my last rented house and im paying for it
but my council is crap and doesnt do anything with my council tax !

anyways Bigyin im all for socialism and the benefits that it brings to the greater whole
but seriously you think that someones accumulated wealth no matter how small or large should be given to the state ?
Isnt that what our NI and tax contributions already do ? so why then take someones hard earned money and give it away rather than to their family who they would rather give it too , its your personal wealth!

Should I be giving my star wars collection and vinyls to the state as well or is it just money that should be given away ?
I think thats not a good idea .
Anyways you are right definetely another topic there !



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 08:05 AM
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That's flippin the pits hay 17yrs!!!

I don't like governments much myself as when you started your court case i was getting shot at and hiding from bombs because my government needed me and i thought stupidly i was giving my children a better world if only i could turn the clock back i would have listened to my dads wise words!



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 08:13 AM
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sapien82 your council tax is more than what i was paying for my morgage years ago how the heck are you supposed to pay that and rent a month i don't no, the mind boggles hay.

I'm just glad i'm not young anymore as i think i would be in a nut house by now, do you have children as well sap because if you do then my big heart goes out to you.



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 08:34 AM
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Well Bally I feel like kissing the sky - we agree on something.




posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 08:45 AM
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Yes I am I have paid both out of my personal house hold budget!!



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 08:50 AM
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You mean all three don't you? Domestic rates, community charge and council tax.



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 09:01 AM
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No I'm not suggesting "everything" is given to the state.

There was a debate recently about IHT where the talk was of increasing the amount you could keep, I say keep but considering your dead at this point, it means what you can pass to others.

Now I'm not actually sure what the maximum amount is at the moment before tax is applied but its somewhere between half and one million pounds. In other words you could give that amount away with no tax liabilty and after that I think its 40% is taken.

Now I remember listening to a woman on radio 2 phoning in to complain that her father had died and left a sizable estate, and when it was all done and dusted she only got £800,000 and she thought she was hard done by and things should be eased up so she could have more.

Now, I don't agree. I don't think somebody should be handed huge amounts for no good reason other than her parents did well.

The tories want the cap raised to a million .... I would say drop it to say £100,000 tops. The rest of it, all of the rest should go to the community.

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posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 09:11 AM
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They didn't keep the rate system because the only people who paid rates were those

buying their homes...When you were considering a property purchase you needed to

know the 'rateable value' because that was a charge that had to be paid annually and

therefor needed to be budgeted for.


Council tax took over from the rates and was then levied on all property so that

everyone now paid for local services. I for one believe that is fairer!



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 09:45 AM
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lol my new found friend just call me Amanda as Bally sounds like i'm a fat git sitting on my butt alday lol my firsts names Margaret but thankfully my mother god rest her soul liked Amanda better as a second name so Amanda it was, maybe she could tell the future.


I'm still stuck with Margaret though ff's!! (and that's flip sake mods not the other bad one lol)



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 09:51 AM
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Oh right me stupid and like christina i don't read posts proper lol (sorry i just had to get that in christina in case you thought i'd gone soft!!) Yes i paid that to but it still wasn't as bad as my friends on the mainland as they were paying funny money as used to say (and still say it) compared to us in N.I. though we did still moan about it.

Maybe you should all move to N.I. i could put in a good word so you lot could get in lol



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 09:54 AM
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I like your wee funny folk you put up


Oh and Mrs T was a bit nasty at times i will agree on that!!

Just put that in as i was of topic :lol

christina this post was supposed to be a reply to you but as i'm daft and a princess i sent it to myself daaaaaaaaaa
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