Students Told to Take Viewpoint of the Nazis

reply to post by burntheships


Its not about thinking like a Nazi it is about teaching children to be able to see something from a different view point. If they can learn to do it with such an extreme view point they will be able to learn to do it with just about anything. There is nothing wrong with this what so ever..

Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by burntheships

 

If they can learn to do it with such an extreme view point they will be able to learn to do it with just about anything. There is nothing wrong with this what so ever..

Well, not actually because if someone is evil, as Hitler was...killing people of many
races, and we are trying to teach children the truth....we have to teach the whole truth

Just teaching children that Hilter deemed Jewish people inferior is only one small
portion of the truth. Hilter deemed many different races unworthy of living, he deprived
them of life by killing them. Amoung those he killed were the disabled, the Polish,
and homosexuals to name a few. So....if a teacher was actually trying to educate,
they would need to start with the truth....and not focus on one race.

In doing so, focusing on one race of Hilters genocides and democides, they
are actually reinforcing racism....by way of teaching half truths, and lies.

I don't buy this "the subject is just way too sensitive" crap. Our kids are way smarter than we give them credit for. They know the issues. I would venture to guess that kids these days know way more about political and social science due to the increased exposure through multimedia these days.

I love how many people complain that were are becoming too soft on children. People complain that we can't "beat" children these days saying such things as "I got the belt, I turned out fine" and "Spare the rod, spoil the children", but when it comes to taking about sensitive subjects, we go "Oh gee, someone might be sensitive to the subject".

I am only the second generation born into a primarily German family here in the US. I had relatives that fought for the Americans, the Germans, and the Russians. (If you are wondering why the Russian side, look up Black Sea Germans") Even though my family was split by it, not one of them questioned their reasoning for backing each side. I had family that fought for the Germans not because it was the right thing to do, but it was a choice between the fathers of the family sacrificing their lives in a war that didn't believe in or that those fathers and their families get shipped to the concentration camps. Those in the Ukraine were their for work and unfortunately they also had a choice, fight for one dictator or the other. They trusted the devil they know vs the devil they didn't.

The point is that after being included into family discussions when I was younger did not scar me, it cultivated me, it made me grow. Discussions like those made me realize that most decisions are not easy or black or white. I would much rather have my daughter discuss these issues early in life, rather than waiting until after high school.

These type of assignments are what makes behavioral analysts, advertising experts, political advisers, , detectives, writers, actors, salesmen, managers, leaders, teachers, etc. etc. Any profession that could benefit from the ability to be able to walk in another person's shoes or see something from the perspective of another person is invaluable.

Aristotle once said "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." If we truly want our future generations to be better off than us then we must be able let these subjects be discussed.

Though I do agree it could have been done in a better way, this is not some kind of crazy indoctrination for some evil world agenda. Its our children gaining understanding of events that happened in the past in hopes that it will never happen again..

So what? What is the big deal? I would like to see some of the answers.

The Jewish lobby is so annoying.

Im starting to see how so many nations throughout history that tried to host them eventually got tired of it.

Christians need to stop putting them on a pedestal. they are obviously nothing special.


oops. did i just commit a hate crime? meh

Originally posted by burntheships

Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by burntheships

 

If they can learn to do it with such an extreme view point they will be able to learn to do it with just about anything. There is nothing wrong with this what so ever..

Well, not actually because if someone is evil, as Hitler was...killing people of many
races, and we are trying to teach children the truth....we have to teach the whole truth

Just teaching children that Hilter deemed Jewish people inferior is only one small
portion of the truth. Hilter deemed many different races unworthy of living, he deprived
them of life by killing them. Amoung those he killed were the disabled, the Polish,
and homosexuals to name a few. So....if a teacher was actually trying to educate,
they would need to start with the truth....and not focus on one race.

In doing so, focusing on one race of Hilters genocides and democides, they
are actually reinforcing racism....by way of teaching half truths, and lies.

edit on 13-4-2013 by burntheships because: (no reason given)

Ya but the only purpose of keeping the 'holocaust' alive has been to further the Jewish 'Never Again' agenda. The education of the holocaust has always since i started school in '84 been to focus on the abuses against the Jewish. To ask to focus on the WHOLE truth now is boarder line alternate history.

Originally posted by FirstCasualty
Ya but the only purpose of keeping the 'holocaust' alive has been to further the Jewish 'Never Again' agenda.

History is what it is, you can lie about it but you can not change it.
You can re write it, but that is just a sugar coated lie.

The fact is, Hitlers Germany was much about a "superior" race of people,
he did not focus on killing the Jewish people alone, he killed any race,
and human condition he deemed to be inferior and unacceptable.

And, Hitlers Germany Utopia was about more than a superior race,
it was about a superior race, that would serve a superior state.

The people were just a means to an end, and a gruesome one at that.

Originally posted by burntheships

And, Hitlers Germany Utopia was about more than a superior race,
it was about a superior race, that would serve a superior state.

Exactly, Hitler was a Equal Oppurtunity Azzhat, he hated everyone Equally.
He felt Blacks were a lower Race, snubbing Jesse Owens in 36.
But we can talk about that, without breaking the Law.

Originally posted by Tw0Sides
Hitler was a Equal Oppurtunity Azzhat, he hated everyone Equally.
He felt Blacks were a lower Race, snubbing Jesse Owens in 36.
But we can talk about that, without breaking the Law.

I am thinking you meant "cant talk about that" . ?
In any case, we cant talk about that, even though in this case,
they did talk about it in a very distasteful way, and especially considering
the children were just grade school.

Originally posted by burntheships

Originally posted by FirstCasualty
Ya but the only purpose of keeping the 'holocaust' alive has been to further the Jewish 'Never Again' agenda.

History is what it is, you can lie about it but you can not change it.
You can re write it, but that is just a sugar coated lie.

The fact is, Hitlers Germany was all about a "superior" race of people,
he did not focus on killing the Jewish people alone, he killed any race,
and human condition he deemed to be inferior and unacceptable.

And, Hitlers Germany Utopia was about more than a superior race,
it was about a superior race, that would serve a superior state.

The people were just a means to an end, and a gruesome one at that.

edit on 13-4-2013 by burntheships because: (no reason given)

I agree with you about there being more people victimized from the holocaust than the Jewish. The IBM punch cards labelled the Jewish at #8/10 i believe. The the actual branding of the holocaust and its preservation in history as been clearly centered around the Jewish victims and the 'Never Again' flag they fly whenever they themselves victimize another people.

Anyway i gave you a star for you post because i too believe this is something that rarely gets addressed.

From a writers perspective, I think that assignment was okay.
Even as a whim of an assignment its fine.

On the whim it will give the students a new understanding of the situation and from a writers perspective it will help them write better antagonists in the future.

As a kid I always put myself in other peoples shoes in my mind, from killers to spiritual leaders.

Excerpts from Hitler declaring War on the United States

So far as Germany's attitude towards America is concerned, I have to state:

--"Germany is perhaps the only great power which has never had a colony either in North or South America, or otherwise displayed there any political activity, unless mention be made of the emigration of many millions of Germans and of their work"

--"There are no other differences between the German and the American people, either territorial or political, which could possibly touch the interests let alone the existence of the U.S.A. There was always a difference of constitution, but that cannot be a reason for hostilities so long as the one state does not try to interfere with the other."

--"America is a Republic, a Democracy, and today is a Republic under strong authoritative leadership. The ocean lies between the two States. The divergences between Capitalist America and Bolshevik Russia, if such conceptions had any truth in them, would be much greater than between America led by a President and Germany led by a Führer."

--"But why is there now another President of the U.S.A. who regards it as his only task to intensify anti-German feeling to the pitch of war?"

--"Roosevelt comes from a rich family and belongs to the class whose path is smoothed in the Democracies. I am only the child of a small, poor family and had to fight my way by work and industry."

--"After the war Roosevelt tried his hand at financial speculation: he made profits out of the inflation, out of the misery of others, while I, together with many hundreds of thousands more, lay in hospital."
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Why is it the people who preach the loudest, know the least?
Seriously, how can you be incredibly opinionated with zero basis for any of the claims you make? Do you even know real factual history? If you do, you're hiding it incredibly well by adhering to the history given to you by the very people who manipulate you. The same people "denying ignorance" are the same people who fail to address the potential implications of domestic policy had American began losing, especially in regard to the American Internment Camps filled with American citizens throughout World War 2. If the Trail of Tears, Guantanamo Bay and American Cold War Policy is any indication, then I guess we're evil too. It's funny that I have often heard we project our flaws onto others. I get it, all of this ridiculous rhetoric must be hypocritical satire. When is somebody going to yell scene?

reply to post by burntheships

We're having similar "thought-experiments" in our schools here in Germany (at least I had a similar assignment back in my advanced history class).

While Germany has arguably the most vigorous and strict laws against Nazism (and rightly so), we still believe that in order to prevent history from repeating, one has to understand the underlying causes, motifs and historical context.

If this assignment was a lesson in critical thinking then I find nothing wrong with it.

Hitler and the Nazis. We'll be talking about them for a thousand years. The only way to discuss the regime intelligently is for each person to do their homework and read real,credible, books about them.

You have to be real discerning if you use the internet to get your information about the Nazis. So much bs out there it is not even funny.

reply to post by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
How do you think like such an evil person without allowing evil into yourself?

This is just a bunch of words. If you're too unsure in your own viewpoint that, to consider the opposing viewpoint knocks you for a loop and you BECOME the opposite of what you are, then you need to consider your devotion to your own views and the strength of your convictions. If considering something from another's viewpoint causes a person to relinquish all their previously-held beliefs, they're simply very weak-minded.

You have to internalize it in order to be able to argue it's "merits". There is no need to explore the evil of men like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and others to be able to recognize it.

Labeling someone or something as "evil" without considering their position is just closed-minded bigotry. And you DON'T have to BE something to understand it. I have read so much about the events of the holocaust, slavery and other atrocities of our history that I feel like I have a pretty good understanding of their mindsets. And it made me stronger in my own convictions supporting equality and fairness. I didn't become that which I hated, I became stronger in my own position.

I honestly feel sorry for people who are too afraid or too weak to consider another person's point of view, but instead, label it as "evil" and create a fear of staring in its face.

Originally posted by MidnightTide

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
you can teach the same idea with a more tasteful choice of subject matter

take the viewpoint of the iraqi's and say bush is evil

wait, what ?

Well we all know where that line of thinking is going, but hey, this conservative agrees with you. Now when to comes to Obama I wonder what tune you will sing?

the point is simple and obvious, this was a very poor choice of subject matter, but a cool idea

maybe just turn the clock back further and make it about how the spainish could have felt the inca's were evil ?

I suspect the teacher was trying to show how horrible propaganda can be (NRA robocalls to newtown ?) seeing as our political culture right now is very extreme (especially on the internet, just vicious and mean), harsh and over the top and was hoping they would be very uncomfortable looking at another culture, just to say "hey this might happen here"

maybe the teacher was trying to fnd the one kid who liked the assignment ?

I don't know for sure, but it's very unlikely the teacher was actually asking them to sympathize with the nazi's

As someone who is considered well informed on the works of the most knowledge person on the planet about the National Socialist party that ruled the German Reich from 1933-1945, it always amazes me how little people know about this era. Persons know the buzzwords, they know of the implied hatred, some even understand a little about the relation between the Party and military, however past the euphemisms-the knowledge is sadly lacking.

You wonder how many know that Premier Stalin was Time magazine's "Man of the year" in 1942? By this time, in June of that year, he had already amassed over 10 million dead by his order.

Actually, I find members at ATP to be well informed, as compared to the general internet instant experts that yahoo, AP and other far left news benders are. So that makes stories like this meaningless in the sphere of insane political correctness that the Jewish owned media pushes on those who, again, know nothing except for what the controlled media feeds them.

Of course Winston Churchill, who started each morning-afternoon actually-with 2 shots of whiskey, was the worlds most respected statesman-not the half American sodden drunken slob that Stalin referred to him dozens of times. Of course the Premier was only politically correcting the language used by Minster Goebbels who referred to Churchill as a "Half Jewish sodden drunken slob"

We all have the capacity for good and bad... There are not evil people and good people... Taking the viewpoint of the Nazis for a school project is not evil, nor will it turn people evil.

"The world isn’t divided into good people and Death Eaters. There is good and bad in everybody." ~ Siruis Black

reply to post by Tw0Sides


Well, lets talk about it....as it is part of the assingments in the core standards...

Other ill-considered teacher assignments have made national news this year.

In February, a Manhattan teacher caused an uproar after fourth-graders were given a math problem based on how many daily whippings a slave received.

In January, Georgia educators attempted to teach division to elementary school students by asking how many beatings per day former slave and abolitionist leader Frederick Douglass received.

: www.timesunion.com...

I guess we could say that there must be a better way to teach?
I certainly would say that this curriculum is intentionally offensive
as a way to create more friction for the students and the teachers.

Talk about an emotional overload, why should emotion be brought into
math lessons?

I wouldn't be surprised if this "teacher" is an active member on ATS....

Originally posted by FirstCasualty

I agree with you about there being more people victimized from the holocaust than the Jewish. The IBM punch cards labelled the Jewish at #8/10 i believe.

Indeed, I think that if the "educational" system is to have any success whatsoever the
facts should not be cherry picked and dumbed down.

I would imagine that the IBM punch cards, and the role IBM played is all left out.

Typical in its dumbing down style, to ask students to imagine that the Jewish are
"the source of of our problems:.