China and US make North Korea nuclear pledge

Dear ATS Readers, Writers,

Well now, it is good to see a bit of common sense come out on this Korea mess.

Although a part of me thinks its all been for show, to a large part.

There has been a lot going on in other parts of the world while this Korea thing has been progressing.

In the past years, when something grabs the public to the degree this has.. I say watch the other places for something really sneaky to happen.

It is like being mesmerized by the magician, and not watching what his other hand is doing.

The US used this diversionary tactic in the past, to pass questionable legislation for example.

It isn't over til the fat lady sings, like in the operas..lol.

Hopefully, things will finally begin to chill out, and political pressure in the future can defuse Korea for good.
That is a tall order or wish, but one worthy of trying to achieve.

Pravdaseeker

reply to post by Alien Abduct


Scenario #3, China masses troops on border as a sign to Washington to not do pre-emptive strike or build-up forces in theatre as those attempts will be matched, surpassed or countered.


Lil' UN keeps up rhetoric but knows who's boss.

Something I've noticed missing in NK threads I've read is the usual "wheres the carriers" well where are they?

Whats been reported is few AB destroyers and a few F-22's and overflights by B-2's but no troops and no CBG's hmmmm.

reply to post by heretic013



China massing troops on NK border,and conducts live fire tests. Why? it dosn't need to mass troops all it has to do is phone lil kim.Then mabey Kim is getting stropy. But on the other hand ther's no way i'd mass troops if people are talking nukes.Unless China knows there is no such worry? and is just flexing muscle. You could loose a whole invading army in a split second. When they goofed up the test at Bikini instead of getting the 5 megaton they got the 15 megaton, they realised that the yeild was about as far as it could go because the blast just went up into space,and the safe zone was at least thirty miles from ground zero. I think that was the one that put the lights out in Hawei.So could very well be China thinking that Lil kim and NK are an anachronism and it would be nice to have a happy open border with the South.China wins again.Whos gonna complain?

reply to post by anonentity


They aren't "massed" the deployment is scattered through the region appropriately so that a nuke strike won't affect the body and virtually everything Kim has is pointed in the opposite direction in regards to artillery. They are very well setup to deal with North Korea.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


Are you going to comment on your own post at all?

Considering it was you who made a thread regarding how this whole thing is bound to end up in a war?

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


I am thinking that after China tells the Fat Kid that he has to stop this BS, he will make a propaganda show that shows NK fighting and destroying the US and South Korean armies. He will declare that we attacked them and their forces have destroyed the evil hoard. Knowing their capabilities as from their other propaganda shows, it will probably be a cartoon and they will tell their people this is real and they will believe it.

No way in hell would i trust China.
What they say and what they do are two different things.
China will not go along with anything that does not better them.

please delete, double post. sorry mods.

reply to post by grayghost

Something you wouldnt trust in hell is in a pledge with US!
Why arent people making the pledge. Im starting to hate government speaking for us.
Our voices should be loud enough in modern society to have an effect with out having big brother step in.

reply to post by lnfideI


I fail to see how your post contributes anything but political trolling to this subject.

This is not a subject to joke around with. Nuclear war is a serious threat with serious implications. This is not the Ha-Ha Hut. This is ATS.

reply to post by benrl


Aren't they already 'split' like that?

reply to post by penninja

Be on board or loose your regime 1st world vs 3rd world....the agendas of today are the curbing of religious fundamentalism, the destruction/absorption of dictatorships, ending nuclear proliferation, Global trade and governance, equalizing wealth distribution.

I really want to give you a star for this, but it's late at night, and I'm not sure exactly if I'm interpreting you correctly.

Curbing religious fundamentalism? yes, good
Destruction/absorption of dictatorships? yes, good
Ending nuclear proliferation? yes, good

That's when you lost me.
...Global trade and governance... do you mean the agenda is 'ending' that? I hope not.
...equalizing wealth distribution...do you mean the agenda is 'ending' that? Again, I hope not.

Please help me understand better what you mean.
If you don't mean 'ending governance' and 'ending the redistribution of wealth', then, well, I'm in agreement.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by penninja

 

Be on board or loose your regime 1st world vs 3rd world....the agendas of today are the curbing of religious fundamentalism, the destruction/absorption of dictatorships, ending nuclear proliferation, Global trade and governance, equalizing wealth distribution.

I really want to give you a star for this, but it's late at night, and I'm not sure exactly if I'm interpreting you correctly.

Curbing religious fundamentalism? yes, good
Destruction/absorption of dictatorships? yes, good
Ending nuclear proliferation? yes, good

That's when you lost me.
...Global trade and governance... do you mean the agenda is 'ending' that? I hope not.
...equalizing wealth distribution...do you mean the agenda is 'ending' that? Again, I hope not.

Please help me understand better what you mean.
If you don't mean 'ending governance' and 'ending the redistribution of wealth', then, well, I'm in agreement.

No... not ending developing the last Two

I really can't say I Love the methods being used, the secrecy and well... the wars either.

But I have come to see what we call the "NWO" is not the "terrible thing" people try to make it out to be. I am sure that some will chime in and tell me I am being "duped" fill me in about their "lord" etc, etc.... But I know in the end right and wrong and am a rational person and know what's "good" for us as a species and what is guaranteed doom... and I think what we call the "Nwo" is actually humanities only hope....

Look at the typical "conspiracy poster" the revolutionary type... the anti American and look at the above things I listed in prior post

"against American aggression"

But WHO have we really been fighting with? Absolute Dictatorships, Religious fundamentalists.... Even as we start with the drones and ammo threads here in the States it's the fundamentalists the hyper constitution supporters who have all the issue and they are plainly clear they WILL KILL anyone that changes a piece of paper. So for the reality check.... there can Be NOTHING greater than the USA, Nothing Greater than Christianity, No Advancement beyond a structure we set up Hundreds of years ago while those individuals exist in a world in which... Some fictional Satan is behind every attempt to come together.

China... basically funded our "aggression" across the Middle East, lets be honest if either Russia or China had any problem with it they could arm everyone to a power fight back, we aren't the only ones who can do "sanctions"... what we received was Loans and trade. Not only is the path we cut through a portion of the world that believes in a religious philosophy of "death to the infidel" we started with a Brutal dictator.... (obviously not a formula for a nation EVER joining a global organization) BUT... Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan ALSO draw a straight line to China for Oil Pipeline (Global energy assurance)

Global Trade/wealth distribution.... the other thing that seems absurd that has Americans up in arms is that we obviously are bringing the "American Lifestyle" down a notch, you can't really have a global economy without that, sorry it's impossible.. this currency vs that currency one worth A another worth X fair trade can never go on that way

Many aspects of this are just plain as day.... Russia and China moved to free markets while we started to restrain over abundance,

Capitalist/Socialist this is the Roddenberry Star Trek Formula.. Who has moved in this direction?

The EU 2 members of the permanent Un security council France/UK, Russia, China, USA

We have had this whole time since WW2 pushed the world to the brink multiple times and our diplomats essentially rule the world via the UN... is it that unnatural that with Year after Year of discussion on how to avoid Global Catastrophe a Plan would start coming into effect behind the scenes?

There is no Satans Army here lol...

There are the modern nations of the world and their satellites.... moving in the direction of a world system which assures we don't all die... and YES the USA does need to make changes and conform and what everyone is getting riled up about is mostly nonsense....

People like to talk in here about "families and the elite" sure they all know each other sure banks have common interests... but this doesn't even compare to the REAL EVILS

Cults that have a set of philosophies that say ANYONE that challenges their belief system is an "ANTICHRIST" or an "Infidel and must be destroyed even if the world burns... Families like Kim Jong Uns and Saddam that literally OWN nations and enslave people in utter ignorance.

I am actually on the side of the NWO by philosophy

Originally posted by DISRAELI
reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin

 

Light at the end of the tunnel?
A possible return to sanity?

There never was a threat ... the words voiced by North Korea, were "words" returned to the threat posed by American show of power in the area. It was never a real threat, just twisted to sound that way, by the media and the allies.

Even a child should have seen that ... why? Because if the guy was serious, he'd have shot and told the media about it afterwards. The pictures, were, like always ... taken out of context, to give an image of a threat, that never really was there. While in reality, the threat was being given by the US by it's show of power ...

What you SHOULD worry about, is what the US and China are doing. In reality, it's more of a concern than anything else. Most people thing that US and China are enemies, but it is uncertain ... and to be honest, it is very likely that whatever happens in the playing field, is in consent with the 5 nuclear powers.

The true question is, the following:

Is China trying to oust the US out of Asia, or are the US and China working together in making China the de-facto ruler of Asia. Have the 5 nuclear powers, already decided on "splitting" the world between them, or not.

These are the questions, you should be asking yourself ...

reply to post by bjarneorn


You echo much of what I have to say on the subject.

The basic deal is... we soften the Middle East divert attention from "The peoples war" so it's ignored, keep that region looking to China as a friend all the while clearing the path for a Land based secure Oil Pipe across the Middle East to secure Chinas "development" and they make concessions on the autonomy of the Westernized Asian Nations Taiwan, South Korea and Japan

The peoples war refers to the slow and steady migration of ethnic Chinese into other regions areas like Kazakhstan and Siberia might as well be Chinas already by demographic. Areas like Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan now see large and growing numbers of Chinese workers that will in all reality never leave.

When the USA finishes it's wars and leaves a vacuum in the region who will fill that void?

It's all very subtle... but the door is wide open we pretend to be enemies.... first Russia paid the price in Afghanistan, then the USA.... that corridor is being kept open, and by multiple means, immigration rebuilding and perhaps even straight up war China will have it's turn to fight and it will be there, except.... they'll flood in with 1,000,000 men and finish it via occupation and genetics...

Even now when you look at the ME all the workers in the Uber wealthy Oil States are from INDIA Dubai has all the buildings being built for example but those building it are from India.... By # those States likewise might as well be Indian....

I post this a lot



It's 2010's Miss Kazakhstan... she's been the hottest lol....but they are all very Asiatic every year in appearance....

China wants back the territories it believes it had the rights to in The Middle Kingdom and through the MongolEmpire sans The Mother Land of Russia itself....

In order to procure energy assets and ensure security of energy supply, China has adopted a two-pronged strategy. First, it has embarked on a “New Silk Road” of infrastructure projects. China is turning historical trading routes of the ancient Silk Roads into a modern grid of overland pipelines, roads, and railways for its energy supplies–called the New Silk Road. This is to circumvent naval chokepoints and hedge against risks of naval blockades or embargoes.

The news can play these things out as if it's happening purely because of competition between the US and China... either way it doesn't even matter.... the Chinese MASS is moving Into Asia not out into the Pacific... China's biggest trading partners are Japan, South Korea, America, Taiwan...

You CAN NOT gain anything by attacking your own financial support system... it's a MOOT point for China now.... Those PROFITS will be taken into Central Asia as well as the demographics that over the coming century will simply without a doubt make these central Asian nations Chinese

I post Miss Kazakhstan alot...

Because she is the FACE of Siberia and Canada as well.... in 50 years

I'm not much of a believer in prophecy but it does seem to be playing according to the Nostradamus plan or End times what have you.... the setup for a Chinese "Invasion" of the Middle East is right there.... America never seems to be mentioned....

Perhaps the religious fanatics of the ME and West could "Easily predict this" because what will inevitably happen is soooooo obvious anyway. OR perhaps, in order for the Victory Russia, Western Europe, China and USA are playing into the superstitions of the locals? It's only logical to do so.... either way.... IF China ever moves Militarily it will be West not out into the Pacific to attempt to fight a war it can never run supply lines for.

No matter what you can see by demographics where India will control small portions of the ME and where China will....

Working together to make China the de-facto ruler of Asia?

I think..... absolutely this is the case.

(just to surmise)

Very echoing of the German Japanese Alliance in it's own way actually..... and well if you can buy into theories that these wars were "planned" to a degree well.....patterns are patterns

Originally posted by penninja

It's all very subtle... but the door is wide open we pretend to be enemies.... first Russia paid the price in Afghanistan, then the USA.... that corridor is being kept open, and by multiple means, immigration rebuilding and perhaps even straight up war China will have it's turn to fight and it will be there, except.... they'll flood in with 1,000,000 men and finish it via occupation and genetics...

Afghanistan is what should tip people off ... first the Russians go in there, and all over the media we here about how bad they were, etc. Then we go in there ... to kill the rebels, that fought off the Soviet Union ...

Maybe, just maybe ... the reason we opposed the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, was not because the Soviet Union was bad, but because we knew it would fail.

Just a thought ...

China isn't going to war ... neither now, or in the future ... unless we wake up and fight the US off ... which is unlikely to happen. For that to happen, you'd have to make a long list of people in Europe to literally remove ... you'd have to get rid of puppets in every country, literally speaking. And that isn't just unlikely ... it's impossible to happen at the current stage. It would be insane, to even set up that stage in this theatre. Because there is nothing to replace the vacuum with and therefore no guarantee of success.

The part of this all, that is amusing ... is that THIS IS THE THIRD REICH ... and people are too stupid to even notice. We are citizens of the THIRD ROMAN EMPIRE ... and I'm glad I'll never live up to be old enough to live it's conclusion.

Originally posted by heretic013
loolz
NK nukes China and goes to war
US waits till China almost finish NK then... US with India and some other Asian allies goes in to finish tired China

India cant go into war now... Pakistan sent them a strong message last week. Dont know if you understood that message, but they did. The message was pretty clear - they cant afford to move one inch.

Theres not many "Asian allies"... what? Japan? If China gets into the game on the wrong side of the fence, japan will drop out - they're in no condition to face China, and China has this visceral hatred for them that goes way back culminating on the atrocities the Japanese committed against them, Korea, and other asian countries known as the "Asian Holocaust" in ww2. Hatred does not appear suddenly out of no where.

And you completely forgot the USSR.. (cough) pardon... I never get used to this - the Russian Federation...

And all the middle east that love us to death... and the Israel.... "thing"...

Basically this is all connected and is all a big fuse that can be lit up on one side and start blowing stuff up all the way around out little blue planet in a chain reaction... it may not happen this time, but it will happen. Too many things going wrong in too many places at once...

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


This whole nuclear thing is a joke

The U.S.and China are both hypocritical bastards, as indeed any other country with nuclear capabilities is, who try to tell any other country to give up their nuclear capabilities.

Double standards is a universal thing last time I checked

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


I sure hope this means that cooler heads will prevail here. It has been like walking on egg shells, and so much anxiety since this whole thing had begun. I say, let there be peace raining over the world tonight... and if I could have my way, for eternity.