China and US make North Korea nuclear pledge

reply to post by ManBehindTheMask

I couldn't agree more. China is about as clear and predictable as a fortune cookie. I've also come to see them as a very serious, potentially dangerous world power that really has no interest or desire to prove it to anyone. They rarely ever do anything crude or openly hostile around the world ...but when they DO choose to act? Well, we can ask Tibet how that turned out for them. That is, if you recall where Tibet used to be. They aren't even on world maps anymore.

If China is interested in seeing this end by whatever means are necessary, albeit it with minimum obvious action taken, then I have some confidence for the first time in a week or more than it may very well BE ended right over the top of Kim if necessary. All likely without an American shot ever being fired in anger.

It's not often I feel the need to say it ..but this time? GO CHINA ! !

Originally posted by heretic013
loolz
NK nukes China and goes to war
US waits till China almost finish NK then... US with India and some other Asian allies goes in to finish tired China

The only funny thing about this statement is the fact that you think China would be tired after the walk-in-the-park it would be for China to pimp-slap North Korea in her place........lolz


-Alien

reply to post by ManBehindTheMask


Oh give me a break North Korea isn't going to do anything. Jeez, i cant even believe were discussing this here.

Why is ATS controlled by the MSM?

reply to post by Alien Abduct


god damn
you really think so?

no way

Edit:
my personal opinion is that its time for US to go down as superpower
I hope Im gonna live to see this myself
thats why my first post was an irony since Im on China-Russia site in any eventual conflict

Originally posted by heretic013
reply to post by Alien Abduct

 

god damn
you really think so?

no way

Seriously.

-Alien

Originally posted by onequestion
reply to post by ManBehindTheMask

 

Oh give me a break North Korea isn't going to do anything. Jeez, i cant even believe were discussing this here.

Why is ATS controlled by the MSM?

To ignore the build up and the facts that surround NK, their history, their situation, and the reaction on the world stage is folly.......

They indeed may NOT do anything, and that would be in their own best interest.......

That does not take away the fact that this new leader has decided to ratchet up his rhetoric and posturing well above his Fathers.....and his military is antsy to make a move, and hes trying to prove himself

The issue is how far will he go, and which time of him crying wolf will be the time he actually does something stupid.........


Watching chinas reactions are telling.....and are good indicators to watch for....

Again to simply pass things like this off isnt wise.......

Originally posted by heretic013
reply to post by Alien Abduct

 

god damn
you really think so?

no way

Edit:
my personal opinion is that its time for US to go down as superpower
I hope Im gonna live to see this myself
thats why my first post was an irony since Im on China-Russia site in any eventual conflict

edit on 13-4-2013 by heretic013 because: (no reason given)

Well if it does happen I dunno that sites like this would exist anymore..........enjoy it....

better the devil you know then the devil you dont

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin

China and US make North Korea nuclear pledge

www.bbc.co.uk

China and the US have vowed to work together to persuade North Korea to give up its nuclear programme and to settle tensions through dialogue.

A Chinese statement issued during a visit by US Secretary of State John Kerry said the nuclear issue was the "shared responsibility of all parties".

Mr Kerry said the two sides must decide "very quickly" how to proceed.

China and the US have vowed to work together to persuade North Korea to give up its nuclear programme and to settle tensions through

(visit the link for the full news article)

This is a win for North Korea, just goes to show you can get away with anything when you have a nuke.
And it is a huge loss for the South and the West.
God help us, what happens the next time little un has a fit and wants something, really poor skills from Kerry.
It also will be seen across the Middle East and other places that this is how you can run a brutal dictator ship, threaten to nuke the world and get away with it.... yes friends that's whats happened here.

You can just trust Lil Un,when he says he will give it up, you can take this to the bank, Mr Kerry is a great man, together with Mr Obummer have saved us all some very nasty times.

Now listen, we should all donate to the DMC and the FatBoy Kim fund from our more than adequate earnings and savings so that Lil Fatboy Kim can have a good life, after all, isn't that what this is all about?

NOT SO FAAAST my little chickadees.............
Iran has vowed to back lil Kimmy to the hilt....
China may yet be persuaded with a little Iranian Blalck stuff...........

this whole thing is a shakedown. since he denounced the armistice and started a reactor that was used as a barganing chip the last time they shook us down, I say screw him

like iran he is just buying time until he gets enough WGU to join the club

let him back himself into a corner with his talk and make a move

then bomb him back to the stoneage

Wont happen

Herman Kerry and Mr Obummer are going to pay the ransom with the American peoples $

Its just that simple. And the next time, if in office, they will pay it again,and again, and again.

Gutless louts.

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
this whole thing is a shakedown. since he denounced the armistice and started a reactor that was used as a barganing chip the last time they shook us down, I say screw him

like iran he is just buying time until he gets enough WGU to join the club

let him back himself into a corner with his talk and make a move

then bomb him back to the stoneage

Wonder what we promised china to get their support? 3% less taxes on their imports? The NW corner of alaska? Iphone manufacturing to remain soles in china?

This is completely expected. I know it is no fun for the WW3 crowd but, the US, China and Russia have a huge amount in common. And in the case of China the US as a world power is vital to its interests. China's big problem right now is how little they can do to control the North. Unable to control the North, China has clearly and publicly aligned itself along side the US, Russia, Europe and the UN. This is to wash its hands if the North does anything stupid. Unless their is a change in NK leadership you can pretty much consider China and NKs ties dead.

Originally posted by MrSpad
This is completely expected. I know it is no fun for the WW3 crowd but, the US, China and Russia have a huge amount in common. And in the case of China the US as a world power is vital to its interests. China's big problem right now is how little they can do to control the North. Unable to control the North, China has clearly and publicly aligned itself along side the US, Russia, Europe and the UN. This is to wash its hands if the North does anything stupid. Unless their is a change in NK leadership you can pretty much consider China and NKs ties dead.

Thank You

Some days I don't even begin to understand the mentality of many ats users. When Russia and China come up it's like... "Hello 1989 called with your political opinion"

For a site where the term NWO comes up everyday... the reality that the Eu, Russia, China and America have all been moving together bit by bit to a Capitalist/socialist hybrid system... unified Economics and Basic Human rights/Legal parity along with all satellite states etc.... well it just seems lost on everyone

I don't know how anyone is fooled by this.... basic lowgrade and pathetic public show where China and Russia still pretend to not be in cahoots with us.... America invades somewhere and China issues some low grade non enthusiastic criticism at the UN.... Then loans us 100 Billion dollars to keep fighting LOL

China will aid North Korea in a meaningful way like i'm going to stop eating and shut off my Internet (never going to happen)

That Army is there to Invade NORTH KOREA

Communism vs Capitalism ended over 20 years ago....

Globalism is the new Black

Be on board or loose your regime 1st world vs 3rd world....the agendas of today are the curbing of religious fundamentalism, the destruction/absorption of dictatorships, ending nuclear proliferation, Global trade and governance, equalizing wealth distribution.

There's a lot of clean up to do.... both the US and Russia and China created a handful of buffer states that threaten the NWO agenda... even Israel is on the chopping block we are just trying to handle these guys in order of cooperation, control and risk factor.... in other words Iraq w/o any real wmd's gets the chopping block first.... before NK which is potential more dangerous so these guys don't "team up" and do too much damage as they fall

I think the media is putting a bit of a spin on this meeting to make it look like it went more in our favor than it did.

China may be in favor of denucliarization, but I don't think they plan to work hard to make North Korea back down.
It sounds like their plan is for the US and the UN to back down and meet NK demands, which of course would be disastrous.

Li Keqiang meets US Secretary of State

This part almost sounds like an admonishment to the US to not dare do anything, as well as NK:

BEIJING - Chinese Premier Li Keqiang said Saturday that troublemaking on the Korean Peninsula issue would harm the interests of all the parties involved.

"To do that is nothing different from lifting a rock only to drop it on one's own toes," Li said in his meeting with visiting US Secretary of State John Kerry.

"The parties involved should shoulder their responsibilities and be ready to bear the consequence to safeguard the regional peace and stability," Li added.

This sounds like China might have their own demands, to make anything happen:

"I hope the US side could take substantial actions to lift the ban on exportation of high-tech products to China," Li told Kerry.

I have not yet seen anything say that China promises to take definitive action to talk to NK. They just keep telling everyone to not start trouble, and the media saying that is directed at NK seem to be reading too much into it. Every time that statement comes up, China seems to be making the directive to everyone, including the US.

This is repeated here:
www.chinadaily.com.cn...

BEIJING - Premier Li Keqiang told visiting US Secretary of State John Kerry on Saturday that any provocation on the Korean Peninsula and the region will serve nobody's interests.

"All sides must bear responsibility for maintaining regional peace and stability and take the consequences," Li told Kerry, who met with President Xi Jinping earlier Saturday.

Sowing discord and making trouble in the peninsula and the region will damage the interests of all parties, which is like shooting oneself in the foot, Li said in a Chinese Foreign Ministry press release.

www.reuters.com...

The United States said on Saturday that China had agreed to help rid North Korea of its nuclear capability by peaceful means, but Beijing made no specific commitment in public to pressure its long-time ally to change its ways.
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But North Korea has repeatedly said it will not abandon nuclear weapons which it described on Friday as its "treasured" guarantor of security.

Yang said China's stance on maintaining peace and stability on the peninsula was clear and consistent, repeating phrasing used by the Foreign Ministry since the crisis began.

"We maintain that the issue should be handled and resolved peacefully through dialogue and consultation. To properly address the Korea nuclear issue serves the common interests of all parties. It is also the shared responsibility of all parties," he said, speaking through an interpreter.
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Kerry declined to comment on what specifically China may do to push for a peaceful solution on North Korea, saying only that they had discussed all possibilities.
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As the North's main trading partner, financial backer and the closest thing it has to a diplomatic ally, China had a unique ability to use its leverage against the impoverished, isolated state, Kerry said in Seoul before leaving for Beijing.

China, which sided with North Korea in the 1950-53 civil war against the U.S.-backed South, has always been reluctant to apply pressure on Pyongyang, fearing instability if the North were to implode and send floods of refugees into China.

It has also looked askance at U.S. military drills in South Korea.
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Chinese state television quoted Premier Li Keqiang as telling Kerry that rising tensions on the Korean peninsula were in nobody's interests, in apparent reference to both Washington and Pyongyang to dial down the war of words.

I am beginning to think that the way to end this farce once and for all is for China, USA and S Korea to all sign an agreement whereby they let China take over North Korea as a 'special administrative zone' I.e. like Hong Kong. China would agree to leave S Korea alone and likewise USA and S Korea would agree to not antagonise china or N korea any further. The only people who would lose out would be the crazy leaders of N Korea' the citizens themselvs actually stand to gain from becoming a part of the worlds fastest growing economy and they are used to communist rule anyway.

It didn't work out so well for the last guy that gave up his nuke program in Libya.

Think Chub-Die-Yung is going to give up now? Not likely.

reply to post by BlueAjah


Yeah... you'd prefer the "figure out a way to give him cancer" method of getting rid of this guy too like we did when the scenario was on your border and worse.... Nuclear.

The Chinese aren't stupid..... South Korea, Japan the USA and Taiwan are Chinas top 4 Import locations and also their top 4 export locations... if someone had a Nuke pointed at those locs.... even just 4 (know what I mean) you'd be into doing this as gently and safely as possible too

China and NK? NK has Nukes pointed at the entirety of Chinas economy.... Literally. Take out Tokyo, Seoul and LA (where the shipping to usa goes in and out) and China fricken starves and goes into revolution within weeks...

Yeah they want this low key as possible

But nooooooooooo Kims no friend anymore.

This kind of dialogue should be done more often. I think if more countries cooperated more and spoke sincerely about their concerns and their mutual interest for peace, we wouldn't have this "enemy" and "ally" attitude.