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Ex-military bio-enviromental engineer Kristan Meghan blows whistle on Air Force chemtrails

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posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 06:26 PM
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That doesn't say it is the only application that such a dispersal system has, does it? Or has the propaganda of Big Brother compromised you to believe that things are always so black and white?

"Oh this system is so our airplanes can put out forest fires, like Smokey!" "Don't worry though! We couldn't possibly abuse that system and use it for anything else, could we?!"
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posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by clairvoyantrose
People question if she's actually what she says she is, because she looks "too young" to have passed college and worked as many jobs as she said she has.


No, I question her because she herself said she's not a chemtrail whistle blower, as she's made out to be. She is blowing the whistle on ground exposure to chemicals, which has nothing to do with chemtrails.



posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 06:32 PM
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And how do soil samples prove chemtrails? You do realize that there are a ton of sources for the same materials on the ground right? Which is far more likely than from a plane flying thousands of feet overhead. The only way to prove it is to sample the trail directly using a sampling plane.



posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 06:59 PM
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Yeah, because the logic of "well it can spray, therefore chemtrails are real" is sound huh...

Why didn't you answer my question about aluminum silicate/oxide?



posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 07:00 PM
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Chemtrails Produced By Trimethylaluminum


The term “alumina” refers to aluminum oxide – the most dangerous form of the heavy metal to human and plant life.

It’s important to make the distinction that drinking soda from a lined aluminum can is nowhere near the infinitely higher health risk of breathing, inhaling or otherwise ingesting aluminum oxide suspended in the atmosphere as it falls from a sky full of aluminized jet aircraft aerosols. We attempt to explain the physics of how jet fuel can be formulated to actually “CONTAIN” aluminum in the form of trimethylaluminum in order to spray aluminum oxide aerosols that originate directly from additives already in the jet fuel.

This could explain how aerosol spraying is achieved without the wide use of special “black ops” airports where tons of aluminum compounds are covertly loaded aboad “chemtrail” aircraft . Instead, the military and their contractors simply fill the aircraft tanks from a fuel source available at the many military, civilian and even private airports located around the world. Although aviation fuel laced with TMA is not conventional JP-4 fuel, the installation of numerous TMA fuel sources can be easily standardized at airport locations worldwide. Here’s why: In 2010, Geoengineer, David Keith contracted Aurora Flight Sciences (AFS) to perform a cost analysis for Geoengineering based on the TMA spray model. AFS determined that the Boeing 747 would be the most efficient aircraft since about half of the world’s cargo is currently transported by 747 aircraft.. The melting point of Aluminum is 660 deg C. while the combustion chamber in a 747 engine is over 1,800 deg C. This combination would cause any aluminum in the fuel supply to vaporize on cumbustion and for a while longer as it exits the engine exhaust as thrust.

The vaporized aluminum remains transparent and is not immediately visible as a telltale white streak due to the unavailability of oxygen to allow the aluminum vapor to transform into it’s final stage as “aluminum oxide”. Observers are understandably confused when the temporary ”invisibility” of the actual chemtrail mimmicks the appearance of a normal contrail.

Then, when the aluminum oxide trail finally turns white and continues for miles, the numerous agents of disinformation can easily claim that the trails are no more than “persistant contrails”. With a record one (1) million top secret clearances attached to military programs in 2011 the opportunity for the public to fall victim to “scientific disinformation” in mainstrem media, is very high.

Since security clearances act like a gag order to honest and qualified experts, the disinformants have more free reign than ever to cajole the public by claiming that a whole sky full of tic-tac-toe aerosols is nothing more than a bunch of “persistant contrails”.



posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 07:01 PM
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Didn't feel compelled to..Distraction tactics...



posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 07:08 PM
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Read the underline....What do you think an aluminum production plant is?

Google is everyone's friend:

How Aluminum is Made


The first step is getting the aluminum ore from the ground, mainly in the form of bauxite. Once again: humans cannot make "artificial" aluminum out of thin air or in a lab.

It even says at the link above that aluminum can only be produced from aluminum oxide ore (extracted from the ground).



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That image is so hilarious. Calling a persistent, spreading contrail a "chemtrail" is priceless.


Please, tell everyone how a persistent, spreading contrail is automatically a "chemtrail" instead of a persistent, spreading contrail.



And P.S.: You still haven't listed the names of scientists that claim "chemtrails" are real. Thanks.




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posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 07:10 PM
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I found something interesting at your link....


We do not take part in any propaganda nor conspiracies


And yet your link goes to there site...



Chemtrails Produced By Trimethylaluminum


But wait, aren't chemtrails a conspiracy?

Seems credible to me....



posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 07:11 PM
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And P.S.: You still haven't listed the names of scientists that claim "chemtrails" are real. Thanks.


Didn't feel compelled to, once again, distraction tactics to move into smear campaign and discrediting of sources.



posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 07:17 PM
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So there are ridiculous concentrations of aluminum oxides around airports?



posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 07:17 PM
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Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
reply to post by _BoneZ_
 





And P.S.: You still haven't listed the names of scientists that claim "chemtrails" are real. Thanks.


Didn't feel compelled to, once again, distraction tactics to move into smear campaign and discrediting of sources.


Those disinfo techniques are soooo last decade, its too bad they couldn't come up with some original ones...............



posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 07:26 PM
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Distraction tactics?

You are the one who brought it up.

And speaking of distraction tactics, why are you now posting a story about Trimethylaluminum?

A moment ago it was aluminum silicate/oxide and a photo of the interior of a chemtrail plane.

You are using distraction tactics and keep on changing the goal posts.

But I don't mind, because clearly you haven't a clue and it's pretty easy to shoot down your disinformation.

Like your new one, Trimethylaluminium, which is pyrophoric.

Do tell everyone how this compound that spontaneously combusts when exposed to air manages to survive being burned through a jet engine and then despite being mixed with air and not combusting still somehow manages to survive being suspended in the air?

I guess you'll call this questioning a distraction too and change the goal posts once more...



posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by _BoneZ_


That image is so hilarious. Calling a persistent, spreading contrail a "chemtrail" is priceless.


Please, tell everyone how a persistent, spreading contrail is automatically a "chemtrail" instead of a persistent, spreading contrail.



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The vaporized aluminum remains transparent and is not immediately visible as a telltale white streak due to the unavailability of oxygen to allow the aluminum vapor to transform into it’s final stage as “aluminum oxide”. Observers are understandably confused when the temporary ”invisibility” of the actual chemtrail mimmicks the appearance of a normal contrail.

Then, when the aluminum oxide trail finally turns white and continues for miles, the numerous agents of disinformation can easily claim that the trails are no more than “persistant contrails”. With a record one (1) million top secret clearances attached to military programs in 2011 the opportunity for the public to fall victim to “scientific disinformation” in mainstrem media, is very high.

Since security clearances act like a gag order to honest and qualified experts, the disinformants have more free reign than ever to cajole the public by claiming that a whole sky full of tic-tac-toe aerosols is nothing more than a bunch of “persistant contrails”.

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posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 07:28 PM
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Since when is asking questions a disinfo tactic?



posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 07:30 PM
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Not changing the goal posts...You clearly did not read the link...


As an Additive to Aviation fuel. Trimethyalminium (TMA) is easily capable of producing long white trails of aluminium oxides aerosols – aka Chemtrails



posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
reply to post by _BoneZ_
 



And P.S.: You still haven't listed the names of scientists that claim "chemtrails" are real. Thanks.

Didn't feel compelled to, once again, distraction tactics to move into smear campaign and discrediting of sources.

Read: you have no scientists that can back up the claim that "chemtrails" are real or exist.

You were quoted as saying "several hundreds if not thousands". You were asked several times to post those names. Now, you don't even want to post one single name of a scientist. You have no scientists. Zero.

Just like there's no scientific evidence. Zero.





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posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 07:35 PM
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Those disinfo techniques are soooo last decade, its too bad they couldn't come up with some original ones...............


Well that took a bit longer than I thought it would....

Since you can't dispute the scientific facts you call it disinfo techniques...

I do wish chemtrail believers could come up with some new evidence to prove chemtrails are real.



posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 07:36 PM
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ok - you want us to address what she says - fine lets start with her lie that barium in not naturally occuring in soils



posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 07:38 PM
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I did read the link.

And it said...


Appearance: Colorless liquid which is pyrophoric ( pyrophoric = capable of igniting spontaneously in air )


Which is verified by the MSDS.

So where is the verifying source of this statement:


As an Additive to Aviation fuel. Trimethyalminium (TMA) is easily capable of producing long white trails of aluminium oxides aerosols – aka Chemtrails



posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
Chemtrails Produced By Trimethylaluminum


The term “alumina” refers to aluminum oxide – the most dangerous form of the heavy metal to human and plant life.

It’s important to make the distinction that drinking soda from a lined aluminum can is nowhere near the infinitely higher health risk of breathing, inhaling or otherwise ingesting aluminum oxide suspended in the atmosphere as it falls from a sky full of aluminized jet aircraft aerosols. We attempt to explain the physics of how jet fuel can be formulated to actually “CONTAIN” aluminum in the form of trimethylaluminum in order to spray aluminum oxide aerosols that originate directly from additives already in the jet fuel.

This could explain how aerosol spraying is achieved without the wide use of special “black ops” airports where tons of aluminum compounds are covertly loaded aboad “chemtrail” aircraft . Instead, the military and their contractors simply fill the aircraft tanks from a fuel source available at the many military, civilian and even private airports located around the world. Although aviation fuel laced with TMA is not conventional JP-4 fuel, the installation of numerous TMA fuel sources can be easily standardized at airport locations worldwide. Here’s why: In 2010, Geoengineer, David Keith contracted Aurora Flight Sciences (AFS) to perform a cost analysis for Geoengineering based on the TMA spray model. AFS determined that the Boeing 747 would be the most efficient aircraft since about half of the world’s cargo is currently transported by 747 aircraft.. The melting point of Aluminum is 660 deg C. while the combustion chamber in a 747 engine is over 1,800 deg C. This combination would cause any aluminum in the fuel supply to vaporize on cumbustion and for a while longer as it exits the engine exhaust as thrust.

The vaporized aluminum remains transparent and is not immediately visible as a telltale white streak due to the unavailability of oxygen to allow the aluminum vapor to transform into it’s final stage as “aluminum oxide”. Observers are understandably confused when the temporary ”invisibility” of the actual chemtrail mimmicks the appearance of a normal contrail.

Then, when the aluminum oxide trail finally turns white and continues for miles, the numerous agents of disinformation can easily claim that the trails are no more than “persistant contrails”. With a record one (1) million top secret clearances attached to military programs in 2011 the opportunity for the public to fall victim to “scientific disinformation” in mainstrem media, is very high.

Since security clearances act like a gag order to honest and qualified experts, the disinformants have more free reign than ever to cajole the public by claiming that a whole sky full of tic-tac-toe aerosols is nothing more than a bunch of “persistant contrails”.


thank you for posting this,.

there is a definitive difference between con and chem,.
the contrails dont leave the air on the ground level hazy days after
the trails are laid out.
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