reply to post by NewAgeMan
Here is where I believe the offending "materialist insult" might have first originated or even helped served to inspire the OP of this
I do recall you equating materialism with ignorance, wilful blindness, in-the-box thinking, nihilism, and an idea that is "sad", but my OP is not a
direct response to your post (at least no consciously), but a critique of the logic behind this disdain, which I find completely unsubstantiated and
I've heard from here and from other discussions that a materialist worldview is dangerous, a form of brainwashing, and other claims—some made in
your post. Why does one psychologically make these claims, when there is nothing that supports such assertions? As someone who subscribes to and
appreciates physical reality and the apparent world, I found it necessary to at least show the view should not be synonymous with evil, merely because
of its implications.
I appreciate you bringing in your previous quotes for examination, as they help elucidate my points. Let's look at main point of your argument:
You're is a trained ignorance, but in your assurance that you are right, it's willful blindness.
I don't think there's any way to enlighten inform, or illuminate your worldview to include other possibilities than that you are mere a thing in a
universe of things devoid of intentionality or purpose. How sad.
Ideas such as Physicalism do not deny any possibilities, only that if these possibilites were to be discovered or visibly sensed long enough to
believe they exist, they would then have to be physical. For instance, if God showed up tomorrow and we could see him, hear him, and know he was
there, we would say he then existed in physical or apparent reality. No possibilites are eliminated here.
Now this has been true of everything we know and understand. It may be impossible to name one thing that we've discovered and understood to
be in some way physical or apparent. If thinking this chips away at thousands of years of metaphysics and shows them to be in error, I say
bring it on. Progression begs us to do so.
We are stuck on a grain of sand floating in a giant ocean, to say that there are no possibilites would be more than short-sighted, even for a
relatively simple principle such as physicalism.
Now as to the charge that a physicalist view implies that "you are mere a thing in a universe of things devoid of intentionality or purpose", I
fear that this assumption is made only by those that have for too long believed the doctrines of Religion. They haven't had a chance to challenge
themselves with the view and see what fruits can be discovered. Instead they fear it and shun it as dangerous, even nihilistic. We should know it is
always the disappointment of religion that leads to nihilism.
Materialism implies that things are their own purpose. What could be more beautiful than that?
So the alternative argument which embraces the Spirit and the Creative Intent, does not in fact argue against or attempt to insult the
materialist, but instead is only insulted by the notion that it's the only way to look at the world and it's causes and effect, from A-Z.
The kind of materialism that most are indoctrinated into actually removes us from our true place in the creation, and reduces us to mere "things" in
a universe of things without purpose, meaning or significance.
What is it that indoctrinates us into "materialism"? Our senses? Our physicality? Ourselves? There is nothing except the fact of existing in
physical reality that indoctrinates us into materialism.
I agree that a materialist may show what he thinks are glaring absurdities inherent in ideas that are imaginative, speculative, lore-ridden and
theoretical in nature, but criticism is the force that sculpts the intellectual landscape. How much criticism can one idea bear before it tumbles from
the mind as no longer usable? To the ideas we've held onto for millennia and perhaps believed too hard—a very, very, very, long time.
Why can we not rewrite and start again from a foundation that might prove useful?
Anyways, there is no way to be offended by the "Materialist" insult, when there is no substantial reason or anything that applies that a materialist
view is dangerous, nihilistic, immoral and evil.