Where did we go wrong? Was there a signal point when the U.S.turned in the wrong direction that stan

We changed in degrees:
1) Constitutional change allowing Senators to be popularly elected instead of appointed by the state legislators.
2) The creation of the Federal Reserve Bank concomitant with the Federal Income Tax.
3) The defacto bankruptcy of our country in the 1930s and the recall of the gold by FDR.
4) The assassination of President Kennedy.
5) Nixon taking us off of the gold standard that was established at Bretton Woods (altho he had no choice).
6) The Supreme Court recognizing corporations as legal persons (and how that impacts campaign contributions).
7) The election of a President that was not eligible for high office.

INCOME TAX

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bond market the enablers of slavery 'lite'

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We have been under martial law since the end of the war of northern aggression.
They have just been more blatant about it as time goes by.
WWI the trading with the enemies act has never been lifted and every US citizen is considered an enemy of the Government.

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Look back further and separate yourself from ideology for at this.

Okay.

AntiFederalist Paper No. 1

GENERAL INTRODUCTION:
A DANGEROUS PLAN OF BENEFIT ONLY TO THE “ARISTOCRATICK COMBINATION”
From The Boston Gazette and Country Journal, November 26, 1787.

www.anamericanvision.com...

Every bad act since then has been an outgrowth of the "Aristocratick combination" that defined our government, which goes much further back than the discovery of the New World.

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The cycle is far older than your "military industrial complex" notion.

Notion?

Factories for War. Modern industrial factories making weapons means war. There must be orders for more after all. Otherwise, how do we keep the factories profitable? There must be a reason to have the factories in the first place. Planning for war. There must be a reason to keep them open. Making war. Their must be a reason to invest in that much ammunition... to reload.

Self fulfilling... self generating

This is not a notion as you put it.

Originally posted by METACOMET
Jekyll Island.

Nothing more to add.

12/21/1913 then the irs - 1914
devvy.com for the best research on 16th and 17th
thelawthatneverwas.com...

Originally posted by nwtrucker
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LOL, good point. Johnson was an outright pig. FDR.. sigh.

Still, we seemed to be recovering, at least somewhat, from those black days during Reagan/Bush 41. Who knows whether that would have continued without Perot. It sure didn't with him....

.."JFK's assassination lies at the feet of LBJ." - E. Howard Hunt

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I cite the series of court cases confirming corporate personhood. Many great evils have been accomplished by giving business the same legal protections as people.

I clicked to find a thread about finance/economics-of which i understand little,to be honest.Otherwise my answer would've been ROE vs WADE-it really does'nt get simpler than that.Having zero respect for human life never has auspicious consequences,but i'll leave those that know more of the economic/military-industrial issues to debate this issue.

Something else to add to the long list of FUBARs over the past several decades:

The allowing of bypasses which ultimately lead to the slow death and eventual official repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act provisions... notably by every single president between the years 1933 through to 1999.

I consider this to be the ultimate, unquestionable proof that anyone who sits in the "throne" really is nothing but a mere puppet to TPTB.

Eisenhower called these powers that be "the military industrial complex"... but in all actuality, their arms stretched much much further out than that. Unfortunately, his attempt at a warning to the people not only fell on deaf ears, but also just simply didn't go deep enough to reveal the true complexity of what was going on behind the curtain.

The last restraints on the mil./ind complex died with president Kennedy.
The world has been in the grip of the corporate agenda ever since

The US was doomed from the start. People who were fleeing "religious persecution" commiting genocide. Building a nation on the backs of slaves and endentured servants. Founding a nation on "religious principles" and having them in word only. We can't blame the ones who came after for crony capitalism they were just following the ones before. And it will continue because not enough of us will stand up and fight for what is right. And by fight I don't mean sign a petition online or bitch online about what THEY (whoever THEY are to you) are doing.

Originally posted by CosmicCitizen
We changed in degrees:
1) Constitutional change allowing Senators to be popularly elected instead of appointed by the state legislators.

Agreed. The 17th Amendment fundamentally changed Federalism into a Nationalistic government. It is a bane and all States no longer have a valid voice (and by extension; the People don't either) with this amendment.

2) The creation of the Federal Reserve Bank concomitant with the Federal Income Tax.
3) The defacto bankruptcy of our country in the 1930s and the recall of the gold by FDR.

Agreed.

4) The assassination of President Kennedy.

No comment since it really is all a theory. Interesting inclusion nonetheless.

5) Nixon taking us off of the gold standard that was established at Bretton Woods (altho he had no choice).

Another fine point.

6) The Supreme Court recognizing corporations as legal persons (and how that impacts campaign contributions).
7) The election of a President that was not eligible for high office.

Here, I with deviate. Point 6 is a stretch. I understand what you are saying, but curious; at what point did the Supreme Court recognize corporations as legal persons? It is one thing to recognize the ability to enforce and defend contracts as would a person, but not all Rights are "granted" to the corporations. The Rights retained are held by the individuals within the association and are rightfully protected under the First Amendment.

If anything, the 14th Amendment should be in question here. But I ask you: Is a corporation afforded 5th Amendment protections? If you think so, show me the case. I am guessing you are basing this all on Citizen United v. United States; in which I would suggest studying that case absent any media input you have received to realize no "rights" were granted; rather rights were protected.

Point 7 is too contentious and too vague to even comment on.

Originally posted by th3dudeabides
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I cite the series of court cases confirming corporate personhood. Many great evils have been accomplished by giving business the same legal protections as people.

Which are what cases? Enlighten us.

Losing the civil war is where the US (as founded) was killed, and the path of destruction was set in motion. States rights was killed the day the South surrendered. This has NOTHING to do with slavery, and slavery is the most deplorable and disgusting scar on America, followed by the murder of 53 million innocent babies.

Many points posted to consider.

A few deserve debunking, at least from my viewpoint.

First this persistent "genocide" point...pure hogwash. If the U.S. is doomed for overwhelming the locals, then so is Canada. Mexico, every central and south American nation, New Zealand and Australia.

Looking further back, all of europe, frankly every nation out there apparently has a "food chain" with someone on the top and an "oppressed minority" on the bottem.

This is also, apparently always changing. Europe is currently under an immigration invasion that has changed drastically their culture and mores.

Canada and the U.S., to a lesser degree are also under early shifts in the food chain via immigrantion.legal and otherwise....so is Australia.

My rebut is stop pointing out the U.S.'s "sins" when your own nation has em as well, no matter what nation it is.

Trickle-down... a nicely coined political jingoism describing capitalism. wasn't any different before Reagan and certainly isn't any different now. Without capitalism, there is no wealth for the socialist to re-distribute. Socialism couldn't exist other than a barter system in a commune without it.

Slavery, again not a U.S. invention and still practised to this day. Most have gotten rid of the practice as has the U.S....LET IT GO.

I refuse to feel "guilt" for a sin committed long before I was around. I have enough of my own to feel guilty about.

In all probablity, the constitution was under attack the day after it was signed. Some good stuff, such as ending slavery, much bad as the posts point out.

Even those who are inclined to defend the original constitution must admit that the defense is/was too little/ too late.

I assume everyone thought someone else was doing the job. Not the case.

Can the U.S. be saved other than dissolution of the Union? I don't see anything short of a major war or natural disaster enough to break the inertia.

Am I wrong on this?

This has been a most fascinating read. Stars and flags to the OP and many who have posted.

Without question, as already addressed--but I look forward to reading many of the links-the 14th Amendment.

And for my two cents. LBJ's "War on Poverty." The WoP has done more to destroy (initially) the black family (and now all whites and Hispanics) than any KKK Grand Keegle's dream. After WWII there was a thriving AfAm culture, mainly centered around faith (churches) and family. Black families were generationally intact with fathers a s grandfathers as heads of households. Along came the abject racism of the DEMOCRATIC party (yes I blame the "machine" that kept the south segregated and the northern industrial DEMOCRAT machine that kept the cities in line and led to LBJ Administration implementation of the WoP--which made two parent families obsolete. Fathers were NOT needed; you got more money if there was no marriage. Illegitimacy soared. Public housing became sought after (and MORE illegitimate offspring leads to bigger housing)! Disenfranchised and role model less young black males turn to crime (and procreating the next generation). And the cycle goes on and one.

A cultural offshoot of the WoP is the Department of Education...which has spent billions to dumb down future generatjons a d to keep millions of Americans in a grim cycle of govererent assistance, cradle to grave. Find a copy of any HS curriculum for before the mid 1960s. Many current college graduates could not complete success the lessons.

I could go on and on...but just needed to add LBJ's contribution to societal destruction. And if you don't think he was profoundly racist (along with his party) find the quote he utterred privately (to a warm Cabinet reception) AFTER signing the WoP Act. "Don't worry, we'll have these (n word) voting DEMOCRAT for generations."