Half of US drone strikes in Pakistan were against people who pose no threat to the US or our forces

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posted on Apr, 11 2013 @ 03:10 PM
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It seems that the US, in addition to giving the Pakistani government bucket loads of money, also allows their intelligence agency to pick our drone targets to knock off folks their government doesn't like.


Leaked report: Nearly half of US drone strikes in Pakistan not against al-Qaeda

A trove of leaked classified reports has confirmed what many had suspected – US drone kills in Pakistan are not the precision strikes against top-level al-Qaeda terrorists they are portrayed as by the Obama administration.

Instead, many of the attacks are aimed at suspected low-level tribal militants, who may pose no direct danger to the United States – and for many there appears to be little evidence to justify the assassinations.

In the 12-month period up to 2011, 43 out of 95 drone strikes in the reports (which give an account of the vast majority of US operations in the country) were not aimed at al-Qaeda at all. And 265 out of 482 people killed in those assassinations, were defined internally as “extremists”.

Indeed, only six of the men killed – less than two percent – were senior al-Qaeda leaders.

Some of the groups include the Haqqani network and the Taliban Movement of Pakistan, both militant organizations, but ones the US did not designate as terrorists until 2012 and 2010 respectively. Neither one has ever conducted an attack on US soil.

It also confirms that attacks during the George W. Bush era, were conducted on targets picked by ISI, Pakistan’s security agency, which has no obligations to comply with US legal criteria.

Furthermore, in some cases it is difficult to confirm that the targets were militants at all.

RT

So out of over 400 people we killed over there with our drones, only six of them were actual Al-Qaeda leaders worthy of such extreme measures. The rest were listed as "militants", whatever that means.


Wasn't there a story out a while back showing that the US listed all combat aged victims of drone attacks as "militants" or "combatants". Sure, I trust the gubment to be honest with me about who they're killing over there.

And for those who think RT is anti-American propaganda
here's a few more sources:

Daily Mail: Pentagon officials 'don't know MOST of the people who are killed in their drone strikes'

North jersey.com: Update: Files show U.S. drone attacks go beyond al-Qaida

News Tribune: Obama’s drone war kills ‘others,’ not just al Qaida leaders




posted on Apr, 11 2013 @ 03:13 PM
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Drone Pilot: "Oops, the missile landed on the kindergarten school"

Commander: "We will just tell the media that the terrorist were hiding in the school.. Action Justified!"



posted on Apr, 11 2013 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by luciddream
Drone Pilot: "Oops, the missile landed on the kindergarten school"

Commander: "We will just tell the media that the terrorist were hiding in the school.. Action Justified!"


Better yet: We saw an Adam Lanza wanna-be in the courtyard and took him out. WAY TO GO USA!



posted on Apr, 11 2013 @ 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by luciddream
Drone Pilot: "Oops, the missile landed on the kindergarten school"

Commander: "We will just tell the media that the terrorist were hiding in the school.. Action Justified!"


I wonder if they got medals for their "courageous" Service to their country...

Drone war fare should be a war crime.



posted on Apr, 11 2013 @ 03:20 PM
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A trove of leaked classified reports has confirmed what many had suspected – US drone kills in Pakistan are not the precision strikes against top-level al-Qaeda terrorists they are portrayed as by the Obama administration


Article seems one sided. I never thought the drones targeted al- Qaeda only. I thought they also targeted Taliban fighters.




Instead, many of the attacks are aimed at suspected low-level tribal militants, who may pose no direct danger to the United States – and for many there appears to be little evidence to justify the assassinations


Like these guys, no threat?? Tell that to the Afgan and U.S soldiers.
edit on 11-4-2013 by rockymcgilicutty because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 11 2013 @ 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by rockymcgilicutty
reply to post by FortAnthem
 





A trove of leaked classified reports has confirmed what many had suspected – US drone kills in Pakistan are not the precision strikes against top-level al-Qaeda terrorists they are portrayed as by the Obama administration


Article seems one sided. I never thought the drones targeted al- Qaeda only. I thought they also targeted Taliban fighters.


Thats why he included 3 other news reports from other sources on how the drone pilots sometimes don't even know what they are shooting at.



posted on Apr, 11 2013 @ 03:24 PM
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It certainly should be a war crime, or just a crime, period. Murder gets a new name when you put it into a "war" context. Doesn't lessen the charges if all nations had fair legal systems. Murder should require an arrest, a trial, and a punishment, no matter how many people are in the chain of command.



posted on Apr, 11 2013 @ 03:27 PM
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Of course they don't someone higher up decides then gives them a order.


Or do you think the drone pilot's decide all on their own ?

The guy at the bottom doesn't get access to the intelligence. Any fool knows that.



posted on Apr, 11 2013 @ 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by FortAnthem
So out of over 400 people we killed over there with our drones, only six of them were actual Al-Qaeda leaders worthy of such extreme measures.

The rest were listed as "militants", whatever that mean



MILITANT

Adjective: Combative and aggressive in support of a political or social cause: "militant Islamic fundamentalists".

Noun: A person who is active in this way.

Synonyms:

adjective. warlike - bellicose - combative - belligerent - fighting
noun. fighter - combatant - warrior - activist

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posted on Apr, 11 2013 @ 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by rockymcgilicutty
reply to post by benrl
 


Of course they don't someone higher up decides then gives them a order.


Or do you think the drone pilot's decide all on their own ?

The guy at the bottom doesn't get access to the intelligence. Any fool knows that.


Yes, just like when that Wiki leaks video of the Apache blowing up civilians got leaked, he got the go ahead from command to engage.

BUT the soldier still pull the trigger when he saw the mini van, frankly "i was only following orders" Is a pretty poor excuse for committing atrocities, I believe we learned that at the Hague trials...



posted on Apr, 11 2013 @ 03:34 PM
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Half is such a small figure,

in the 90 percentile range would be believable,

This makes the US almost the good guys in the battle.

New personal opinion update as ridiculous as they might sound but here they are for your reading pleasure:

99.9999% of US drone strikes in Pakistan were against people who pose no threat.

99.9999% of US drone strikes in Afghanistan were against people who pose no threat to the any US citizen unless they are involved in Politics, oil & energy or the Heroin trade.

100% of US drone strikes in Iraq were against people who would have posed no threat what so ever to any US citizen if the US never invaded

100% of drone strikes worldwide were against people who pose no threat if compared to the ones using drones.

As Louis Armstrong sang What a wonderful world



posted on Apr, 11 2013 @ 03:37 PM
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Originally posted by Aleister
Murder should require an arrest, a trial, and a punishment, no matter how many people are in the chain of command.



I suggest you put your body where your mouth is and that you arrest the Taliban hiding out in Pakistan, instead of demanding that other people get killed trying to do so.

I'm sure it will work out just fine.


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posted on Apr, 11 2013 @ 03:37 PM
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Yes, just like when that Wiki leaks video of the Apache blowing up civilians got leaked, he got the go ahead from command to engage.


Boy, you dance around from topic to topic with you replies don't you?

Let me tell you something call it what you want, that was a war. Mistakes happen in WAR. Fighting is not pretty. Why don't you go back to WW2 and use the Blue on Blue casualities as a stance to denounce the allies.



posted on Apr, 11 2013 @ 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by rockymcgilicutty
reply to post by FortAnthem
 





A trove of leaked classified reports has confirmed what many had suspected – US drone kills in Pakistan are not the precision strikes against top-level al-Qaeda terrorists they are portrayed as by the Obama administration


Article seems one sided. I never thought the drones targeted al- Qaeda only. I thought they also targeted Taliban fighters.




Instead, many of the attacks are aimed at suspected low-level tribal militants, who may pose no direct danger to the United States – and for many there appears to be little evidence to justify the assassinations


Like these guys, no threat?? Tell that to the Afgan and U.S soldiers.
edit on 11-4-2013 by rockymcgilicutty because: (no reason given)


You are exactly correct but many of the people against drone use choose not to acknowledge this little fact. There are actually around 8 major tribes in Afghanistan who do not recognize the country that the West laid out for them. Their historical lands extend far into Pakistan also. Within these tribes you have massive fighting for control between them and Al-Qaeda often-times playing one faction against the other. You also have many of the tribal members joining or supporting Al-Qaeda at different times depending on what their motivation is. You also have the Taliban, the conservative side of the Pashtun tribe, who is also conducting terrorism to regain the power they lost during the war.

Anyone who thinks that the only threat over there is the Al-Qaeda people are totally uninformed. Al-Qaeda, similar to what the Mujahideen were who fought the Soviets. In fact, many of the Mujahideen joined Al-Qaeda but the group is a conglameration of people, not always permanent people, and sometimes only offering support that consist of people from all over the world.

The situation over there is beyond complicated even for people who research it so oftentimes all your going to get is information about a particular person and where they are and what they are doing. Its often impossible to tell exactly what their affiliation to any group is.



posted on Apr, 11 2013 @ 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by rockymcgilicutty
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Yes, just like when that Wiki leaks video of the Apache blowing up civilians got leaked, he got the go ahead from command to engage.


Boy, you dance around from topic to topic with you replies don't you?

Let me tell you something call it what you want, that was a war. Mistakes happen in WAR. Fighting is not pretty. Why don't you go back to WW2 and use the Blue on Blue casualities as a stance to denounce the allies.


Oh right... because we are in a fully congressional approved War, I think I must of missed where we declared War on Afghanistan.

So you should of said that Mistakes happen in Police actions, the war on Terror is a farce, and drone war fare, along with most of the policies that have come out of this "war" should be a crime.



posted on Apr, 11 2013 @ 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by Aleister
reply to post by benrl
 

It certainly should be a war crime, or just a crime, period. Murder gets a new name when you put it into a "war" context. Doesn't lessen the charges if all nations had fair legal systems. Murder should require an arrest, a trial, and a punishment, no matter how many people are in the chain of command.




I feel the same way but that would make almost every one of us an accomplice by having knowledge and not doing anything.

I mean all that are against their country sending troops to another country to fight in a war and just go about their everyday lives working 9-5 are not against what their governments do but are supporting their government by keeping the economy going by working and consuming the same as when there was no war to be against.

Take me for example As soon as John Howard followed the US into the Middle East I should have quite my job and screamed at the top of my lungs at parliament house to not be involved or to banish me from the country as I wish to not be a part of any country that wishes to war with another, what did I do, slave on like the good little slave I am. But I did join the ATS community



posted on Apr, 11 2013 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by benrl

Originally posted by rockymcgilicutty
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Yes, just like when that Wiki leaks video of the Apache blowing up civilians got leaked, he got the go ahead from command to engage.


Boy, you dance around from topic to topic with you replies don't you?

Let me tell you something call it what you want, that was a war. Mistakes happen in WAR. Fighting is not pretty. Why don't you go back to WW2 and use the Blue on Blue casualities as a stance to denounce the allies.


Oh right... because we are in a fully congressional approved War, I think I must of missed where we declared War on Afghanistan.

So you should of said that Mistakes happen in Police actions, the war on Terror is a farce, and drone war fare, along with most of the policies that have come out of this "war" should be a crime.


Why does the method in which you kill someone actually matter to you?

It seems to think that a reasonable person would discuss the issue on rather the actual death was justified or not and not focus on something irrelevant like the method.

Its like saying that Bob over there needs to die but only if its done a certain way, otherwise he should be allowed to live.

Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.



posted on Apr, 11 2013 @ 03:56 PM
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Originally posted by benrl

Originally posted by rockymcgilicutty
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Yes, just like when that Wiki leaks video of the Apache blowing up civilians got leaked, he got the go ahead from command to engage.


Boy, you dance around from topic to topic with you replies don't you?

Let me tell you something call it what you want, that was a war. Mistakes happen in WAR. Fighting is not pretty. Why don't you go back to WW2 and use the Blue on Blue casualities as a stance to denounce the allies.


Oh right... because we are in a fully congressional approved War, I think I must of missed where we declared War on Afghanistan.

So you should of said that Mistakes happen in Police actions, the war on Terror is a farce, and drone war fare, along with most of the policies that have come out of this "war" should be a crime.


LMAO You are really starting to amuse me.


Like I said in a earlier post. " Call it what you want it is a war". Do you really have such little legs to stand on. That you have to split hairs to try to defend your opinion?



posted on Apr, 11 2013 @ 03:56 PM
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instead of demanding that other people get killed trying to do so.



I think the poster is saying War is a stupid excuse to justify murder.

Meaning US troops firing on people that are labeled as militant, funny you put that definition up, how do they define who is a militant and not? What background do they gather on a person in a battle to define one as such?

Is anyone that opposes the US a militant? It seems so, I would be If anyone came to me and tried changing my way of life.



posted on Apr, 11 2013 @ 03:56 PM
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Originally posted by Hopechest

Originally posted by benrl

Originally posted by rockymcgilicutty
reply to post by benrl
 





Yes, just like when that Wiki leaks video of the Apache blowing up civilians got leaked, he got the go ahead from command to engage.


Boy, you dance around from topic to topic with you replies don't you?

Let me tell you something call it what you want, that was a war. Mistakes happen in WAR. Fighting is not pretty. Why don't you go back to WW2 and use the Blue on Blue casualities as a stance to denounce the allies.


Oh right... because we are in a fully congressional approved War, I think I must of missed where we declared War on Afghanistan.

So you should of said that Mistakes happen in Police actions, the war on Terror is a farce, and drone war fare, along with most of the policies that have come out of this "war" should be a crime.


Why does the method in which you kill someone actually matter to you?

It seems to think that a reasonable person would discuss the issue on rather the actual death was justified or not and not focus on something irrelevant like the method.

Its like saying that Bob over there needs to die but only if its done a certain way, otherwise he should be allowed to live.

Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.


IM not sure why this is hard for people to understand.

Waging war, Killing another human being, no matter who they are, should come at a deep price.

When you turn War into a video game, where your sitting in a comfy chair safe 1000s of miles away you have taken away that price.

You have made taking another human life cheep, whole sale slaughter becomes a game.

Yes war should cost, so that no one would take waging war lightly.





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