Metal Pollution Absorbed By Flowers Is One Major Cause Of Bumblebee Decline New Research Finds

Originally posted by Kali74
I would love to know where the funding for this research came from.

Your wish is my command: the paper states that the funding came from the Carnegie Museum of Natural History’s Powdermill Nature Reserve in Rector, Pennsylvania, a Botany-In-Action Fellowship from the Phipps Botanical Garden and Conservatory in Pittsburgh, an Ivey McManus Predoctoral Fellowship to Meindl, and a National Science Foundation grant (DEB 1020523) to Ashman.

Originally posted by 19KTankCommander
Maybe the alluminum is part of it but I can recal a study done about ten years ago about the bees and the effects of all the cell phone usage could be a possible link.

Maybe the combination of the two now are having a bigge effect.

Any thoughts on this?

That was one bee hive, horrible experiment planning, and the authors immediately denied the CT media interpretation of their results and retracted the claim. It wasn't even a study, really, it was a letter to a publication.

Originally posted by angelchemuel
I am no scientist, but they used aluminium foil stuff during WWII to block radars so planes couldn't be detected. Now is it possible with the increase over the years of microwaves/wi-fi etc, that to make these 'systems' work thay have had to increase the aluminium in the sky? I know this sounds like that HAARP thing....but not knowing the full ins and outs of modern technology would this be a possibility, hence the link between cell phones and the aluminium?

No. Any time you have dust in the air, it's going to have aluminum in, because it's the third most abundant element in the crust.

Yes, you can use aluminum foil to 'block radars', but in that case, you have to trim the length of the foil to match the radar's frequency. Particulate aluminum has no effect. Nor does aluminum oxide - you have to have metallic aluminum.

reply to post by Bedlam

Yes. 7% of the Earth's crust. Depending upon the location, concentrations can be much higher than that. And that is probably why the bees don't seem to be able to detect aluminum. It's everywhere and unavoidable. They can,however, detect nickle which is much less common. The bees evolved that way for a reason. If they didn't like flowers with aluminum in them, they wouldn't do anyone much good. Themselves or the plants.

“It’s unclear why the bees didn’t sense the aluminum,” said Meindl. “However, past studies show that the concentrations of aluminum found throughout blooms tend to be higher than concentrations of nickel. This suggests that the bees may be more tolerant or immune to its presence.”

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It should also be pointed out that the study makes no indication that aluminum levels in soil are rising or that aluminum or any other metals are the cause of a decline in bee populations.

Originally posted by luciddream
I thought according to some group of people that there is no such thing as pollution and earth will heal itself etc etc.... and human can do no damage to earth.

Well it's nice and cosy to believe that isn't it?

Think it's called the ostrich principle!

reply to post by Bedlam

At least educate yourself on how far back the citations go.

What study is it being cited in your dismissive attack?

As if it ends/ended there and in fact there are tens more that critics have less firepower to dismiss.

Most critics haven't done much dusting of how the history timeline unfolded.

This is one of the initial papers that kickstarted the whole thing.

From the start a rigorous methodology.

Note that it was run on 5-years apart period, 2 times - 1964 and 1969 summers, environmental conditions differed.

A big detail missed by critics is told in the study - warm conditions had a different result.

AND it also was proposed already as multifactorial, which critics don't even address such factor in dismissals.

It was proposed together with negative ions as additional mask with warm weather, which at time was still in the hypothesis stage, negative ions are accepted as beneficial now and supported by research since then.

From the German citation with English abstract. English journal name is Journal of Applied Entomology.

Der Einfluß von Hochspannungsleitungen auf Bienenvölker (Apis mellifica L.)

Gustav Wellenstein [affiliated at time to Universität Freiburg - Freiburg University]

Zeitschrift für Angewandte Entomologie

Volume 74, Issue 1-4, pages 86–94, January/December 1973
Article first published online: 26 AUG 2009

DOI: 10.1111/j.1439-0418.1973.tb01783.x
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1439-0418.1973.tb01783.x/abstract

Abstract

The influence of high-tension lines on honey bee colonies (Apis mellifica L.). Nectar and pollen rich plants are very often found in forest clearings through which high-tension cables run. Therefore hives of honey bees have been placed under high-tension lines to see how the colonies react. Control groups were placed in the same biotope, 60–800 m away from the test groups.

In the summers of 1964 and 1969 two experiments lasting 85 and 48 days respectively were carried out near Freiburg i. Br. Each year environmental conditions and the condition of the bees were different. The activity and the irritability of the bees in the area of the high-tension lines were significantly higher. In good weather and in pollen and nectar rich places the electrically induced hyper-activity usually obtained positive results (1964): The test bees under 110 000 volt lines collected twice as much nectar as the control bees but suffered a loss of gross weight. In the cool and rainy summer of 1969 bees under 220 000 volt lines manifested an abnormally increased irritability and a pathologically strong inclination to swarm. This was evidenced in a remarkably long four weeks period of “queen cell” building, and can be interpreted as a migratory reaction (Ortswechselreaktion).

Though not proven, it is highly probable that the concentration of the negative ions in the air, the strength of the electromagnetic field, and the weather explain the differences in the behaviour between the bees of the test and the control colonies. It is therefore proposed that bees which are often transferred from one feeding area to another not be placed under high-tension wires, but rather at a distance of 50–100 m from the intense electrical field.
Zusammenfassung

Durch größere Waldungen führende Hochspannungsschneisen sind meist reich an Nektar und Pollen spendenden Pflanzen. Es wurde deshalb geprüft, wie Honigbienen reagieren, wenn man ihre Stöcke unter Fernleitungen aufstellt. 60–800 m abseits im gleichen Biotop stehende Völker dienten als Vergleich. Zwei 85 bzw. 48 Tage dauernde Versuche wurden im Sommer 1964 und 1969 nahe Freiburg i. Br. durchgeführt. In beiden Jahren waren die Umweltbedingungen und der Zustand der Versuchsvölker verschieden, Aktivität und Reizbarkeit der auf den Schneisen stehenden Völker signifikant erhöht. Diese durch Elektrizität stimulierte Motorik hat sich bei gutem Wetter und reichem Trachtangebot überwiegend positiv ausgewirkt (1964): Die Kontrollvölker sammelten doppelt soviel Honig wie die abseits der 110 OOC-Volt-Leitung stehenden Bienen, hatten jedoch gegenüber diesen Substanzverluste. In dem kühlen und regenreichen Sommer 1969 zeigten die Bienen unter der 220 000-Volt-Leitung eine ungewöhnliche Reizbarkeit und einen pathologisch überhöhten Schwarmtrieb, der sich in vier Wochen andauerndem Ansetzen von Weiselzellen äußerte und in diesem Fall als Ortswechselreaktion gedeutet werden kann.

Es ist hochwahrscheinlich, jedoch nicht durch Messungen belegt, daß die Anreicherung der Luft mit negativen Ionen und die Stärke des elektromagnetischen Feldes neben dem Wetter die erwiesenen Unterschiede im Verhalten der Kontroll- und Vergleichsvölker erklären. Es wird empfohlen, die Wanderbienen nicht unter Hochspannungsleitungen, sondern 50–100 m von diesen entfernt aufzustellen.

Interesting study. They name a new pesticide rich in both nickel and aluminum as well as the exhaust from cars and tractors. Cloud-seeding with aluminum is not considered in this study. Well whatever their reasoning, the conclusion shows it is not good for the bees.

So this could also mean that whatever honey comes from the region is also undesirable for human consumption, yes?

Finding out some thing is wrong involving something as important as bees which may be something that can't be brought back, through hindsight is a hard way to go


but thats the way we roll here at corporate headquarters
that is the way we roll

reply to post by FarmerX


Is this reporting here along the lines of which your state is having trouble
with the Maple trees?

forums.gardenweb.com...

reply to post by intrptr


My sightings are about the same as yours so far this year,
I did manage to spot a big black bumblebee, with yellow stripe,
and a few smaller bumblebees.

With a 50 percent decline it seems it would be visible
by the nature watchers.

We dont use pesticides that are not OMRI certified,
we have some weeds which we use a weedeater to keep in check.

reply to post by Bedlam


Hi Bedlam,

So....you may wish to explain a bit more....

Although aluminum is the most abundant metal in the earth's crust, it is never found free in nature

education.jlab.org...

Thanks ahead of time...

No to worry Monspanto plan to save the bees is to manufacture their own GMO ones, They planed the decimation of natural bees in the world for the only purpose of creating their own GMO ones.

Monsanto purchased the largest bee research firm called Beeologics back in September of 2011. this means that now they no only control seeds but soon polination.

People still do not understand the evilness of such company and the danger that they has become to our living existance.

Monsanto is already on its way to owning most of the seeds on the planet. They are replacing the natural spirit made food with Monsanto made frankenfood. They now also want to own the means of pollinating the food. Their frankenfoods that produce pesticides are believed by beekeepers to be killing the honey bees. Monsanto’s solution to the colony collapse disorder is to replace God’s honeybees with Monsanto’s genetically modified bees that are resistant to all the pesticide producing food they make

www.pakalertpress.com...

Originally posted by burntheships
reply to post by Bedlam

 

Hi Bedlam,

So....you may wish to explain a bit more....

Although aluminum is the most abundant metal in the earth's crust, it is never found free in nature

education.jlab.org...

Thanks ahead of time...

Right, it isn't found in metallic form in nature. It's always as a salt or oxide. They're not saying it isn't found in nature. You can't get away from it. That's why I said upthread you could't use aluminum oxide to block radar.

eta: don't be a keyword reader, be a meaning reader. In this case, don't focus on "not" ask yourself what they meant by "free".

Originally posted by aboutface
Interesting study. They name a new pesticide rich in both nickel and aluminum as well as the exhaust from cars and tractors. Cloud-seeding with aluminum is not considered in this study. Well whatever their reasoning, the conclusion shows it is not good for the bees.

So this could also mean that whatever honey comes from the region is also undesirable for human consumption, yes?

The insecticide issue is separate from the aluminum and nickel issue. Neonicotinoids do not have metals in.

Originally posted by Bedlam

Right, it isn't found in metallic form in nature. It's always as a salt or oxide.

Right, so then if Aluminum has been around for as long as the bee,
I wonder why the bees were fine up till about the last decade or so?

reply to post by burntheships

I think the source of aluminum is the ore Bauxite. Thats the everywhere in the crust stuff. Aluminum metal is the end product of a complex refining process. Thats why it does not occur naturally in the environment. Most metals begin as oxides before they become metals. Except some of the heavier ones.

Originally posted by aboutface
They name a new pesticide rich in both nickel and aluminum as well as the exhaust from cars and tractors.

Hi aboutface,

Were you able to find a copy of the entire study?
I searched, could not find a free copy, only the abstract.

What is the name of this new pesticide, now that is really a good find.

I am in an area where private chemical use is pretty much non existant
there are only a few people even in season

a couple years ago we got a tower

now, we have almost no honey bees where before they were very common

say has anyone ever experienced the tinfoil in the mouth battery effect?
tinfoil in RF fields
maybe we are tazing our lil bros

Originally posted by marg6043
Monsanto purchased the largest bee research firm called Beeologics back in September of 2011. this means that now they no only control seeds but soon polination.

Yes marg, this is indeed a huge concern...they would not have done that if they did not have
a vested interest in the bee decline. And the whole Beelogics is kept wrapped pretty tight,
its hard to find much of a mention of it. Patetened bees, all of that....

People still do not understand the evilness of such company and the danger that they has become to our living existance.

Could not have said it better

reply to post by intrptr


Yes, thanks for the clarification.

So, if aluminum in nature is different than say....aluminum oxide,
this could pose a problem for the bees....

I am going to be controversial without a doubt.