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Why the heck did so many people vote for Bush?

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posted on Nov, 3 2004 @ 08:12 PM
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This is a very brain hurting concept.


Now, lets begin from the start.


If kerry was called a republican, and bush was called a democrat. Kerry would have won.

There is a giant base of loyal republican voters that will just vote republican- PERIOD

All bush has to do is say hes republican (even though he and Dick are neo-liberals), and then he just has to say he "believes" and has "values". And then he has to make it seem like his opponent doesn't.
SLAM! Theres now a few dozen million voters that will vote for you

Now, the single issue voters.

These are people if you ask then, "Why did you vote for bush?" They will say, "Well, I simply couldn't vote for someone who was for gay marriage"

Ask another... "Well, I simply couldn't vote for someone who was for abortion"

Ask another... "Well, I just couldn't vote for someone who was *against the war* when kerry WAS NEVER AGAINST THE WAR- he was FOR OUR TROOPS LIVES"
If you look AT ALL THE LEGISTLATION BUSH DENY'ED AS PRESIDENT that could have helped the troops, you would see he was WAY MORE "against the war" than kerry.
But because bush is president, all he has to do is say "Im defending america" and the republicans will jump on his ****


Now, these single issue voters basically are people who DO-NOT want to vote something other than republican. So they will try to find any reason to vote republican, once that one thing is found- they will vote republican.

When kerry said hes for abortion, a few million people decided "Ok, voting for bush"

When kerry said he supports cheneys gay doughter a million people decided "Damn, supports gays, voting for bush"



IF KERRY Just sucked the ass off all the bible humpers- he would have won.

But nope, kerry was ohnest and instead of lying he said what he thought. Well, guess you don't need those millions of voters do you.



Now, theres a HOLE LOT OF CRAP I've read in this thread about things like "Kerry betray'ed america" and "Omfgzor the war was good for the Iraqi people"

Bajesus where in the fu**ing world do people get this bull???

In our first night of bombings in Iraq, 85% of the deaths were INNOCENT Iraqi's- most children.

Before our bombings, Iraq had never attacked America, threatened to, or even hurt an American citizen.

Iraq had no weapons, and was not bad at all.

Instead of killing an assload of Iraqi's, bush could have just talked to Saddam and made an agreement "all terrorists in your country are going to be searched for and arrested, your country shall no longer be a place for them- random monthly inspections of the entire country will be held. these rules shall be followed"

Many would say "omfg thats against the rules" I say "OMFG BOMBING THE CRAP OUTTA IRAQ AND KILLING CHILDREN IS WORSE". Many would say "omg monthly inspections? thats too much money". I say "OMFGZOR WE HAVE PUT MORE THAN 15 BILLION INTO IRAQ... DO YOU KNOW WHATS GOING ON????"

Now, bush could have done that. He could have done that to every middle eastern country. It would have been better, safer, and if they didnt comply THEN he could have buttraped Iraq.

But nope, he buttseckzed Iraq FIRST- he didn't try to do anything else.

Now, I realize bush did it all for the green baby, and will deny it every time he gets. BUT if bush wanted the green so bad, there were much more effective ways to do it. Ohnestly, you don't got bomb the sh1t outta a country just to take their money

You don't gotta be smart to talk to another country and say "yo wassup, we give you food and u give us some money Okayzor? We will go over and build u some good water treatment facilitiez and public electricity genorators, Okay my homie? How about some fruit/vege farms, we can make a few of those too, Alright then man, give us some oil and green in return okay Babey?"

Some say "OMFG our food is sooooo bad countrys won't even want it"

I say "DOES OUR FOOD HAVE TO BE BAD? ? ? ? NOPE. " just 1 of the 15 billion we put into Iraq could easily solve the food problem. And then minor upkeep fee's per year after.


Anyway, my ranting is done.


I live in Oahu and I voted LIBERTARIAN. And, in 2008 hawaii may vote Libertarian (were thinking about it), but that would just mean 1 less state for the democrates. Either way, in 2008 hawaii is going to vote either democrat or libertarian. We figure if we do vote libertarian, it would mark a big change and be better overall

anyway, can't wait to see your replys!

[edit on 3-11-2004 by aukaiman55]




posted on Nov, 3 2004 @ 08:23 PM
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I think people voted for Bush because they felt he was the better choice. Really. Many folkd just disliked Kerry THAT much. If I am any indication, Kerry has no plan, no personality and no sincerity. He scared me.

Bush is no god and is not the greatest guy to ever be in the WH, but he was the best choice among the vialbe candidates.
Maybe the dems need to regroup??? And, I don't think Hillary is the answer to their prayers...sorry. Egads, they are still counting votes and the media is salivating over her already.



posted on Nov, 3 2004 @ 08:33 PM
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Yeah absolutely... if the same amount of money were used for constructive not destructive purposes, or even a small percentage of it, imagine how great our world would be ... imagine the problems that could be solved, locally and globally ... but no ... the majority prefer senseless bloodshed, loss and devastation, false imaginary flimsy pedestals to put themselves on, to healthcare, education and diplomacy. If people everywhere have the means to live without lack, there would be no need to throw bombs.

Its not Bush or Kerry or whoever ... its the people, the majority .... you elect your government and your policies, you control the spending, you kill many innocent people.



[edit on 4-11-2004 by c_au]



posted on Nov, 3 2004 @ 08:47 PM
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Yeah. . .My group here in Oahu, Hawaii is seriously thinking about charging bush for various crimes and getting him impeached.

We technically could do that, and all the "rules" say we can. but it doesn't mean we really *can* in a sense


Whatever people want, people get. Rules don't matter. The only step left (I'f your a very powerfull man wanting controll) is to trick people into wanting what you want.

Even if the rules say what bush has done is grounds for impeachment- - - 30% of the country will not want that- and the other half won't care.

Thats the end of society- not caring. If you do not care, its that much easier to manipulate you.

And when I say "don't care". I'm not talking about the people who vote for bush. I'm talking about the 50% who is even worse than the trash that do.
The 50% of america that doesn't vote.

It really is, in their power to change anything. Yet, they just don't care.



As for the dude who said "bush was the best choice, kerry sucked"


Do you know about the libertarian or third party's?

I can garuntie you this, 90% of the people who voted for these partys is not stupid, and actually RESEARCHES their partys.


Because the ONLY wasted vote is a vote made for someone who you do not respect, or someone who you feel does not represent you.

Basically, anyone who researches Repub / Democrate will stop voting. Somethings got to be done.

Because, IF the libertarian won in 2004- the NWO would have lost 20% of its power, literally.


[edit on 3-11-2004 by aukaiman55]



posted on Nov, 3 2004 @ 08:57 PM
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sounds great ... it would be a very risky and courageous thing to do, but at least it could wake up some people



posted on Nov, 3 2004 @ 08:59 PM
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Here's a question, if arnold shwarztanager(sp) gets his way, he will be running in 2008. Are you going to vote for him also? He is currently trying to ammend the 22nd amendment so he can run. It is no secret.


I might but i don't know about Arnold. I have not heard what he would plan to do. I am not going to say no because i have not heard any plans. From what i've heard in California is isn't doing a bad job. I might have voted against Bush IF there was a cadidate that i thought could do the job.



Information on Ahnold can be found here...

www.infowars.com...
www.prisonplanet.com...
www.infowars.com...
www.infowars.com...

[edit on 3-11-2004 by aukaiman55]



posted on Nov, 3 2004 @ 10:09 PM
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Just some observations and comments:

Reagan was called a cowboy and derided during his first term along very similar lines.

The republicans quote a variety of reasons for voting how they did and demo poster after demo poster say that one single issue is what bush won on…..i hope that the national demo party is not as ignorant as some appear here.

For those of you threatening to move to Canada…..please remind M. Moore of his promise and help him go with you.

And it’s always promising to see liberal posters calling for a return to some of their most hideous policies of the past….jim crow


Originally posted by Jakko
………..It still seems though as if Kerry's past is still the main thing americans have against Kerry. The eventual choice is not based on what they say at this point, but on someones actions.
Would it be correct that past actions were more important for a lot of people in these elections than talking and debates?
seeing as how he’s been saying the same thing for years and doing another…..they should have listened to him this time? And they are retarded?


Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
Accepts "Excessive Quoting" penalty with a promise to post the ID of the author of the penalty.
don’t worry if your not getting a penalty for multiple posts of the same thing then they aren’t going to get you for that post.


Originally posted by aukaiman55
Bajesus where in the fu**ing world do people get this bull???

probably the same place you went for most of your post.


Originally posted by aukaiman55
Before our bombings, Iraq had never attacked America, threatened to, or even hurt an American citizen.
so how do you feel about the Russian president warning America that iraq was planning terrorist attacks….would that qualify as threatened to?


Originally posted by aukaiman55
Iraq had no weapons, and was not bad at all.
are you actually M. Moore…not bad at all?


Originally posted by aukaiman55
……………….. hawaii may vote Libertarian (were thinking about it), but that would just mean 1 less state for the democrates. ………..
what do you all share a brain?


Originally posted by aukaiman55
Yeah. . .My group here in Oahu, Hawaii is seriously thinking about charging bush for various crimes and getting him impeached.

We technically could do that, and all the "rules" say we can. but it doesn't mean we really *can* in a sense
wtf….how can you get him impeached…..when did Hawaii get this power….what rules are these that technically say you could….are those the rules in somebody’s diary?


[edit on 3-11-2004 by keholmes]



posted on Nov, 3 2004 @ 10:30 PM
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You guys...

Bush won because he evokes and draws from the culture that he leads. The polls show that cultural and moral issues put Bush over the top and gave him the record vote... many people who were against the Iraq war voted for him based on moral/cultural reasons.

A lot of people want to dismiss that as single issue voting... but it isn't. Abortion and gay marriage are just one element of a matrix of american cultural issues that the Republicans have tapped into and that the Democrats have ignored. Others want to dismiss it as people jsut voting for a guy who they think is just like them... that isn't the reason, either.

Ultimately, Bush, and the Republicans, mirror the cultural motifs and trends of the United States in general. The philosophy of rugged individualism, the religiousity, the swagger, the cowboy image -- in short, all those things the Democrats make fun of Bush for -- are exactly why he won. Bush was a leader who not only reflects the culture of America... People feel that he actually comes from America. This is more than just appearing to 'be like' the average voter. It's really a matter of partaking and drawing from those aspects of American culture that the Democrats, in their infinite wisdom, have chosen to ignore and look down upon.

That's it: Culture and demographics. Not stupidity. The GOP fielded a man who not only seemed like most Americans... they fielded a man who looked like he came from America and drew from its history and character.

And this isn't a fluke. The states that went for Bush are growing and, every ten years, gaining more electoral votes. If the Democrats want to survive they will have to actually take the time to learn something about the culture and beliefs of most Americans. Otherwise... they will go the way of the Federalists and Whigs as the Northeast loses more and more influence and votes.



posted on Nov, 3 2004 @ 10:48 PM
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Originally posted by bushblows
Stupid people voted for Bush, Jakko. Unfortunately our country has tons of them.


Well I can say the same for the otherside.....

Personally, I do not consider myself stupid, realist maybe, but not stupid.



Originally posted by FlyersFan

Oh man ... that's so true!

Why did so many people for for George Bush? It's very simple.
America is George Bush's top priority.
Socialist Euro-Centric John Kerry had himself and Europe as his top priorities.

The American president is there to watch out for AMERICA ...
not Europe, not the UN, not anyone else. AMERICA.
Bush fulfills this requirement. Kerry didn't even come close.


I couldn't agree more!






Originally posted by dawnstar
Too bad they won't go and actually read that Bible and well, see just what the "traditional marriage" is according to it......
society set up to make women totally dependent on the men, and thus put back into that submissive position....




Apparently you need to read it. My wife is HAPPY with the "one flesh".





Originally posted by Jakomo
You're under a serious misapprehension that military might equals economic strength. Without the rest of the world as a trading partner (mostly the US buys MANUFACTURED goods), the US would shrivel up like a Slim Jim left on the dashboard of your car.


This is funny and not well researched


Who is the Worlds Largest EXPORTER?





Originally posted by AntiPolitrix
John F Kerry wanted to be the Commander and Chief of the US Military. The same military i look to for protection. John Kerry voted against numerous defense bills that would give the US Military the equipment they need to protect the United States and me. This isn't France, this is the USA, we will do what it takes for protection and John Kerry could do that.


Plus the fact that he did NOT get an honorable discharge, therefore was unqualified to be PONTUS.





Originally posted by Dreamz

5. Are you aware of the fact that the rest of the world understands nothing of what happened in the USA today?
I cant speak for others but myself could give 2 craps less what others think about what we do in America. If they dont like our choice maybe thats a big finger to the world telling them we are sick of the Anti-Americanism yet everyone wants to be pro-american when they need something.

6. Are you aware of the fact that the alliance that was allready wrecked because of Bush actions, is now in a "total loss" stage because of your votes? I dont believe this to be the case because the only diffference Kerry wouldve brought about was to talk to France, Germany and Russia and IMHO we shouldnt even think about talking to them. They want to screw America over left in right through the UN and through the press then they quite frankly dont deserve our time.

This is not ment as an attack, but I am truly curious.
Im not trying to be rude but alot of America is fed up with alot of the international criticism and could really care less what the world thinks. At least thats my opinion, but hey I'm just one person.


[edit on 3-11-2004 by Dreamz]


What SWEET answers! Thanks



posted on Nov, 3 2004 @ 10:50 PM
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Originally posted by edsinger
Who is the Worlds Largest EXPORTER?




The question really, is how much do we import compaired to export?



posted on Nov, 3 2004 @ 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by Jakko
This is an honest question, because I truly do not understand it.
After the crap with the florida votes being stolen back in 2004, most were at least reliefed that Bush would never ever get a vote again.
Yet what strikes me today, Bush gets more votes than Kerry in most parts of the US.
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The elections in 2000 were not stolen..... You forget that most people in the US are not like most people on ATS or ATSNN....

If you were basing your opinion that Kerry should have won because he won in ATS's poll, due to the fact that there are more liberals/democrats in ATS/ATSNN, perhaps this will be a wakeup call for you.

If you think that demonstrations of 100,000-300,000 liberals/democrats in New York or the same or less numbers in LA, are speaking for all the US, then you don't know that the US is mostly a Christian nation.

I am not a religious person, but I know enough to realize that the US is mostly a Christian nation, whether you want to admit it or not.

There are 159 Million people in the US who are Christians, althou there has been a decrease in their numbers in comparison to the 1990s, they are still the majority.

And if you add to this number that most Catholics would have more or less the same religious view as Christians, this number is even larger. 24.5% of the population in the US is Catholic. I was born and raised as a Catholic, and i know that Kerry's point of view in many of the issues, goes against not only the Christian doctrine, but against the Catholic's views also.

It all comes down to this, wether you want to admit it or not.... You have your point of view on the different issues, and religious people have their point of view on these issues also.


[edit on 3-11-2004 by Muaddib]



posted on Nov, 4 2004 @ 12:42 AM
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Im 24...a young voter...and voted for Bush...ive followed politics since I was 12...live in a heavy democrat state (ny)...and still chose Bush...Bush didnt steal the election in 2000...its been proven time and time again...hell...the democrats did 3 re-counts of their own...all coming to the same conclusion....BUSH WON...and Bush didnt do anything for Education?...Who started the voucher system for students in troubled schools???....and Bush could use the 9/11 speeches all he wants...he united us then...9/11 shouldnt have even happen...Osama hit us in 93...Clinton didnt do a thing...if he did...9/11 wouldnt have happened...case closed...deal with the next four years...I want a president who actually stands for things and doesnt sway daily with the flavor of the moment...Bush is not a perfect man by far...but I never expect to have a perfect president...theyll always be human...
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There were many inconsistencies that highly suggested that Jeb helped steal the Election. Even those in control of the election said that the voting system was very susceptable to manipulation. It has NOT been proven time and time that Bush won fair and square. You are obviously using information passed around by the filtered media. I lived on 3 different campuses and our schools definitely got stripped of funds and tuition costs went straight up in our state after 2000. To say Clinton didn't do a thing highly indicates you must work for FOX news. I was born and raised around poor people and Clinton did more for the minorites than any Republican has ever done. And I base this on community involvement, not CNN statistics. To say 'they'll always be human' is a reckless act of blind faith in a person based on their party nomination. Most Republicans do vote this way. My own research has shown this. Again not CNN statistics.



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Why did so many people for for George Bush? It's very simple.
America is George Bush's top priority.
Socialist Euro-Centric John Kerry had himself and Europe as his top priorities.

The American president is there to watch out for AMERICA ...
not Europe, not the UN, not anyone else. AMERICA.
Bush fulfills this requirement. Kerry didn't even come close.
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America is NOT Bushs top priority. It is his home base and obviously important . Europe is W's top priority. I have seen documented evidence in front of me before 2000 that he planned the attack on Iraq beforehand. While you were being the average citizen I was investigating and interviewing. Bush is very reckless and has made many statements that have since been hidden, but not completely. He is basically trying to conquer the things his father couldnt, the whole World. I understand your remarks. They are typical of the average person who gets their news from the newspapers and from the networks. This is all filtered and distorted information. It is reported with intenses emotion to get you believing but they leave out most of the truth. And obviously you do not live in poverty like many Americans have done since 2000. I have seen many programs shut down due to loss of funds and have spoken with our representatives who have directly pointed their fingers at the White House. This is no surprise to me of course.


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About New Yorkers:
Last night on CNN, they talked about this. We have a republican mayor and a republican gov. yet we vote for democrats for president. Giuliani said it was because NY republicans are much like California republicans in their beliefs.

Incidentally, republicans won the NYS presidential vote back when Ronnie was running for office.
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New Yorkers voting Democrat makes a huge statement because they have actually lived the truth firsthand, unlike many average Americans. The media cannot blind these people because they felt the impact and saw how badly their police force violated the rights of the people. Which btw, hasn't happened this way until 2000. In the past protestors where handled badly but most protestors where still destroying property. Some still do but lately they have just stood there chanting, holding a sign, and letting people pass by, but still getting arrested. Bush will not allow protestors anywhere near him. This speaks loud and clear about his character again.



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Personally, 2 things

First is Right to life, President Bush is Pro Life

Second Gay Marriage,

Not to many people in the US want gay's to have the same marital rights as married people. It was a sticky subject, but believe it or not, there are morals in this country and this one got voters off the couch and to the poles.
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I must say this is another typical close minded view coming from alot of people. The media has helped create a b/w view of the world. It has helped hijack our minds. To say one is pro-life and the other isn't is foolish. The world is a complicated place today. Where science is concerned anyway. GOD gave us freewill. He also commanded us not to judge others. So therefore, we don't have to agree but we should not act unless our own beliefs or life is being violated, or to help others if they ask. But to vote against a right or a personal belief is unjust and is not productive and will surely breed resentment causing a division. I don't like abortion either, not one bit, and I feel sad when a girl has one BUT this a between her and GOD. I am not the middle man. And neither are you. Actually Kerry made this point clear in respect to our Constitutional rights. It seems to me that anyone who voted for Bush on this issue doesn't respect our Constitution or other people's personal rights. Like they say, if you don't like what other people are doing to themselves mind your own business.




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Bush can keep us safer.

GUNS.
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I have to remark on these because this is mostly what I was told by so many Republican voters in my town. I live in Kentucky so anyone who knows knows what I mean. Not one Republican could tell me about anything that hadn't been broadcasted across CNN. Again they vote out of tradition and gossip. Because a friend told a friend who told a friend who told a friend that Kerry would take away guns, they voted for the other guy who happens to act like a redneck. Our voting system is very important to alot of people. If you can't keep up with all the issues you shouldn't really be involved with the voting process. It's reckless and irresponsible.



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The Main Reason My Vote Went To Bush:

John F Kerry wanted to be the Commander and Chief of the US Military. The same military i look to for protection. John Kerry voted against numerous defense bills that would give the US Military the equipment they need to protect the United States and me. This isn't France, this is the USA, we will do what it takes for protection and John Kerry couldnt do that.
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Again someone who doesn't know what is going on other than what Bush says during a rally or debate. If you noticed Bush tried to claim that Kerry's plan for healthcare was government run. I read the complete proposal and it is NOT government run. Kerry later said right on a debate in front of Bush and the country that it is NOT run by government, then he elaborated. Later Bush still claims its Government run on all his attack ads. Bush makes alot of bogus claims and lies. If Kerry did this I would list them here. Over 4 million banners were made with the words BUSH IS A LIAR. They were all held up during the election. Supply and demand says it all. As far as voting against bills. All the facts aren't included there which would completely justify Kerry's actions. Kerry has never done anything that stupid and I would like to think many senators would not have. Pure propoganda. Besides I think it shows when someone vetos a bill. Our President has not vetoed one.



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I know, for a minute i got scared because i thought Kerry might win. If anything we dodged a bullet. Kerry would have hurt America and i am glad 58 million American felt the same way. Go America, Go Bush!!
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CNN, FOX, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS




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Honestly why would Kerry or any other Democrat want to win? The next four years is going to be very hard. Our dollar will fall more and our economy will go very sour from the entire debut incurred in the last 4 years. Let GW reap what he sows and take the rest of the Republican Party with him. Congrats King George, today you won and America lost its future.
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This is a bold statement and a true one. Most Americans don't look at the real statistics, getting a real perspective on how all the different parts of our economy is doing every week. It's very chilling to see the facts. The media gives you the facts but they scramble up the numbers and letters first. So in other words you don't really get the facts. Watch the independent stations like FSTV, UCTV, LINK and others to get the facts. They literally read out the news that comes out, then they have highly credible sources state the facts and support them for your benefit to know the truth. Most of these people who are working for our country don't get to be on CNN because they won't distort the information, or they aren't pretty enough to be on tv. ANyway watch the independent news. This is old fashioned journalism at it's finest.

You have a choice. You can be like every average backwoods American with Dish Network and sit around watching FOXnews and getting a lobotomy, being tricked into believing whatever the Pentagon wants you to believe.
-OR-
You can get off your ass and get involved. The internet is one of the greatest tools for finding the truth. It puts you in contact with a wealth of information that Bush does not want you to see because he doesn't believe you can stop him. It will also give you the chance to see that there is definitely a revolution going on. This speaks much louder than the outcome of the Election. Seeing some of the arrogance on here about Bush being better because he got more votes is kinda comical in another way. For a person to say that Bush is great for getting votes that were taken away from honest voters is truly not great. And besides even if the election was fair Bush still isn't great for getting more votes. It just confirms my strong conviction that many Americans don't spend enough energy on getting the real facts from a non-corporate non-governmental source.


One last thing. I hope you people don't really give Bush credit for graduating at Yale. Much evidence suggests that he basically showed up and bought the degree. I personally dont need to see this evidence because everyone I know who graduated at Yale shows very intellectual characteristics and certainly very good terminology. Bush has neither of these. He stumbles and fumbles on words and cannot pronounce any of the halfway complicated ones. This is a clear indication that he could NOT have studied at Yale. The proof is right before you. READ HIS LIPS.



posted on Nov, 4 2004 @ 12:51 AM
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wtf….how can you get him impeached…..when did Hawaii get this power….what rules are these that technically say you could….are those the rules in somebody’s diary?


The constitution states how a president can be impeached, and what a president must do to deserve it.

Any state can do it.



posted on Nov, 4 2004 @ 12:55 AM
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Originally posted by Muaddib

Originally posted by Jakko
This is an honest question, because I truly do not understand it.
After the crap with the florida votes being stolen back in 2004, most were at least reliefed that Bush would never ever get a vote again.
Yet what strikes me today, Bush gets more votes than Kerry in most parts of the US.
...........


The elections in 2000 were not stolen..... You forget that most people in the US are not like most people on ATS or ATSNN....

If you were basing your opinion that Kerry should have won because he won in ATS's poll, due to the fact that there are more liberals/democrats in ATS/ATSNN, perhaps this will be a wakeup call for you.

If you think that demonstrations of 100,000-300,000 liberals/democrats in New York or the same or less numbers in LA, are speaking for all the US, then you don't know that the US is mostly a Christian nation.

I am not a religious person, but I know enough to realize that the US is mostly a Christian nation, whether you want to admit it or not.

There are 159 Million people in the US who are Christians, althou there has been a decrease in their numbers in comparison to the 1990s, they are still the majority.

And if you add to this number that most Catholics would have more or less the same religious view as Christians, this number is even larger. 24.5% of the population in the US is Catholic. I was born and raised as a Catholic, and i know that Kerry's point of view in many of the issues, goes against not only the Christian doctrine, but against the Catholic's views also.

It all comes down to this, wether you want to admit it or not.... You have your point of view on the different issues, and religious people have their point of view on these issues also.


[edit on 3-11-2004 by Muaddib]


You nailed it. Hispanics voted 3% more in favour of Bush than 2000 making up the lead Bush has over Kerry. I think the situation is going to get worse in the future for Democrats. Catholics are not fundamentalist group as a whole. Most catholics are pro choice, safe sex advocate and vote for Democarats. But with gay stuff and anti-war, anit-christian, pro-islamic stand the liberals are alienating the new catholic voters (except maybe the white catholics).



posted on Nov, 4 2004 @ 01:40 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Dreamz

"5. Are you aware of the fact that the rest of the world understands nothing of what happened in the USA today?
I cant speak for others but myself could give 2 craps less what others think about what we do in America. If they dont like our choice maybe thats a big finger to the world telling them we are sick of the Anti-Americanism yet everyone wants to be pro-american when they need something."



... the whole world wept with you on 9/11.

Fact is, America has a big impact on the rest of the world - your Bush said " you are with us or you are against us" ... a little black and white? America needed alliances and support, and most supported you in the war against terror ... on Al Quada, but allied countries are at risk and the world is a less safe place because of the war in Iraq.

If America took its big finger out of other countries, stopped manipulating them, then it would be totally fair of you to say "thats a big finger to the world telling them we are sick of the Anti-Americanism"



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posted on Nov, 4 2004 @ 05:10 AM
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Okay my comment about the 2000 votes being stolen.

Whatever happened in florida, more people voted for Gore than for Bush.
For Kerry this situation is a reason to concede Bush, and not put his hopes on the Ohio votes that will be counted in 10 days.
Bush however, did not care that more people voted Gore and acted as if he was the big winner.

After THAT situation I was kind of relieved that Bush would surely just be in office for 4 years.



posted on Nov, 4 2004 @ 05:38 AM
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well now what happens?do we sit hear and scratch our heads.or do we demand that this whole thing never happened.hmmmm i wonder.chalk one up for more bad guys in power.i think today we can weight the world on a scale and see more bad people running the planet more then ever flukemol........



posted on Nov, 4 2004 @ 07:53 AM
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I think a large reality check is in order here. I cannot believe you call yourself an American when you cry that half the country is retraded, and should not be allowed to vote.

If not for a computer monitor, I don't feel any of you would have the balls to hold a conversation such as this at your workplace, or a bar or a resturant with friends.

I have had to defend myself numerous times a day when approached by Moore wanna-bes talking of missles hitting the pentagon, and how Bush remote piloted the planes on 9/11.

The fact is that the American People voted. Enough said.



posted on Nov, 4 2004 @ 08:44 AM
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LostSailor

"I'm just curious, how old are you?

You sound like me at 16 "

Yet another attempt of a conservative attacking a person with a different opinion than his own. I notice this is done when they have nothing better to say.

Anyway, there is truth in what I stated. Haven't you ever heard the saying "the love of money is the root of all evil." Why don't you ponder that for a while. Then once you are done take a look at the fact that alot of rich people really do not care about he less fortunate. (I say alot, not all, I am trying not to generalize) But from my experiences you will get more charity from someone that does not have that much than from someone that has alot.

Money is power and power is money. Why do you think only rich people can become president.

Oh yeah, I am alot older than 16. I just understand that thing are not what they seem. I am able to read between the lilnes and do not believe everything I am told. Just becouse a person is in a position of authority does not make them correct.



posted on Nov, 4 2004 @ 09:48 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Morality? Enron was pretty moral, wasn't it?


Ken Lay, of Enron, was a frequent dinner guest at the
Boston home of Terry Heintz and John Kerry.


Gee, so was Bush, Cheney, the Governorator of Kalifornication and a number of other politicians. Lets get this straight folks---Deny Ignorance! We have a corrupt government, it is corrupt from top to bottom. We have people in this country who have been systematically brainwashed--the propagandists are good at what they do, this is obvious!

This interminable sports-mentality is quite sickening! My team beat your team--Nayh, nayh, nayh...see how they managed to keep the brainwashing going. Bread and circus!! This election was staged--dog and pony show!

You want to make a difference than take a stand! Stand up for the Constitution and Bill of Rights! Stand up for what this country was founded on--the very core principles!

Take the time out of your busy narcassitic, egotistical, self-righteous and sanctimonious life-styles and educate yourselves. Pay close attention, no matter how bad the truth scares you! Because the bottom line is "we the people" have to take this country back. If we heeded the warning of our Founding Fathers we would not have to worry so much about our security. Nevertheless, the meddlesomeness of our government has cause us great strife.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are FREE.




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