U.K Welfare breakdown demonstrates Government are trying to divide a nation

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posted on Apr, 12 2013 @ 06:10 PM
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Many people in receipt of Benefits who are regarded as ineligble after a review of entitlement would not know where to start when appealing. They are extremely vunerable and do not fully understand the ramifications of such decisions.

That is the sad state of play and with budgets being cut in relation to social services these people are truly alone.

I wish you success with your appeal, but totally appreciate this is the last thing you need at this stage of your daughter's recovery.




posted on Apr, 12 2013 @ 06:21 PM
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The trouble is that when I got the decision all I wanted is some help and advice which I thought would be simple.....not so.

The benefit section of my local citizen's advice as been shut down because of funding....all they could offer was a drop in where the people I saw couldn't really help me in a specific way for my individual circumstance's. My local legal organisation that would normally help with benefit decision's and appeal's as been shut down because of lack of funding also.... and my local Welfare Right's had a six week waiting list for an appointment....you guessed it, because of lack of funding! Not really helpful when you have only a month from the date of the letter to appeal!

I don't think it's any coincidence that all of a sudden these organisation's have had the plug pulled on their funding and that people may struggle to find help regarding benefit decision's and appeal's. I will be doing all my homework for an appeal online....but how many more may not be able/ capable and will be forgotten and left to rot? It's not just for my own personal circumstance's that I have a heavy heart right now.....



posted on Apr, 12 2013 @ 06:34 PM
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I am not surprised in the slightest that you have encountered these problems with advice centres. The Government are determined to cut spending, so these would have been one of the first to feel the effects of the austerity measures.

It's sad that many people are not aware of their Benefit entitlements because the Government feel it is not their responsibility to be advising people. I believe it is every civilised Governments responsibilty to do just that.

The working class are being squeezed more and more and the middle classes are even under attack. This is part of a bigger agenda I feel. An agenda I didn't really give much credence to a couple of years ago, until the economic crash happened.



posted on Apr, 12 2013 @ 06:36 PM
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From experience and what my Benefits Advisor explained, before the CAB had to discharge him as they had their funding cut, a rejection is standard operating procedure. Everyone gets an initial rejection, and has to appeal.

Dunno if its actually true.



posted on Apr, 12 2013 @ 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by BMorris
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From experience and what my Benefits Advisor explained, before the CAB had to discharge him as they had their funding cut, a rejection is standard operating procedure. Everyone gets an initial rejection, and has to appeal.

Dunno if its actually true.


If it is then it is deplorable practice.



posted on Apr, 12 2013 @ 06:47 PM
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The problem with any goverment project is it always gets more expensive. Over the last ten years not,any people received raises. Unless that is if you we're on welfare or worked for the goverment. For some unknown reason the goverment seems to think everyone deserves more money each year. We did the same thing at Lucent, then we went broke. When I worked at bell labs we had line workers making 150k a year. Almost double what engineers with masters and doctorate degrees. This was because we would give raise by seniority. The company actaully listened to the union. They drank the koolaid and died. I remember all the people on the Lu e who had their entire retirement in Lucent crying. On that Black Friday in 2000 those union workers wished they hadn't milked the system to the point of bankruptcy



posted on Apr, 12 2013 @ 06:51 PM
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Originally posted by BMorris

A lot of people only see that I am on long term incapacity benefit, with DLA, and automatically label me as a "scrounger". This view is encouraged by government propaganda.

Thanks for that


I was sorry and saddened to read about your personal circumstance's
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your above statement was "spot on" ...but I would add that not only is government encouraging this view and damning stereotype but that a great many in this country are buying into it!..so not only do people feel screwed over by the government but they also feel demonised by their fellow man. I lament over the road this society is headed down.



posted on Apr, 12 2013 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by Cobaltic1978

Originally posted by BMorris
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From experience and what my Benefits Advisor explained, before the CAB had to discharge him as they had their funding cut, a rejection is standard operating procedure. Everyone gets an initial rejection, and has to appeal.

Dunno if its actually true.


If it is then it is deplorable practice.


Twelve months ago my daughters claim was successful....but now in the current climate I have heard and read from many place's that there is some truth about a standard rejection....



posted on Apr, 12 2013 @ 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by Logos23

Originally posted by Cobaltic1978

Originally posted by BMorris
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From experience and what my Benefits Advisor explained, before the CAB had to discharge him as they had their funding cut, a rejection is standard operating procedure. Everyone gets an initial rejection, and has to appeal.

Dunno if its actually true.


If it is then it is deplorable practice.


Twelve months ago my daughters claim was successful....but now in the current climate I have heard and read from many place's that there is some truth about a standard rejection....


That's probably confirmation of said practice!!



posted on Apr, 12 2013 @ 07:13 PM
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what a refreshing thread to read, just when I was starting to think that all the British people on ATS were UKIP voting bigots and racists, someone to stand up for disabled peoples rights.
Thank you!

We need to seriously kick these banker loving politicians out of power .They are certainly no good for our society.
And there is such a thing as society!



posted on Apr, 12 2013 @ 07:56 PM
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Poor old Britain, the onlytime it was any good for the workers was during the reconstruction after the second world war.That ended in the sixties, the seventies had 3 day weeks the eighties had Thatcher and now its got people pouring in from Europe because its less #ty there than where they came from. The class system is alive and well, 40% of the land is still owned by the people that William the conquer gave it to nearly a thousand years back.Surely the Scandinavian system would be more humane.



posted on Apr, 12 2013 @ 09:32 PM
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What is the difference between a bailout for banks and a bailout for people? If the government is going to do one, why not do the other? This is why the government should ideally do neither.

Churches have taken care of the needy for many centuries. Orphans, Poor, Sick, Homeless in most of the world are still taken care of by tithing from churches. Regardless of religious affiliation the needy and elderly were taken care of. Even the Bible talks about taking care of widows and orphans. Churches have always been able to do this, the first time churches in America failed to take care of the needy was during the Great Depression, 17 years after the Federal Reserve was created. This is no coincidence. No other panic/ recession/depression caused churches to become so overwhelmed by the needy. Central banks should be destroyed in all nations around the globe.

Insurance, REAL unemployment & disability insurance, takes care of you getting hurt, sick, or laid off. Just like life insurance, you pay for it as you work. As long as you pay for your insurance, you can collect benefits, provided you get the broadest coverage. The government can decide on a whim that it will no longer provide benefits it made you dependent on.

European governments have given their citizens welfare only to take it away when the bills pile up. The problem with needing the government is that they can change their mind or switch leaders. Encouraging reliance on the government is foolish. I feel sorry for anyone across the pond who expects things to change. When someone controls the purse strings they control YOU, which was what they wanted all along. Get some balls.

America imported this welfare system right from Europe. But America wasn't founded on these ideas at all. Sadly we inherited the same ridiculous ideas that will bring us to ruin.

I say this to say that:
1. Having a broke government is dangerous and easier to destroy
2. Being free from such a system is better than being a slave to it
3. Having your money not taxed highly is better than being taxed and not having any say with when/IF you get it back

You may not agree with what I have to say, but 70 years of Welfare has proven that it is a dangerous tool to keep the population under the control of their "masters".
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posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 05:16 AM
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Life was so much better for the poor, needy and disadvantaged before the introduction of the welfare state wasn't it.

I mean, workhouses, malnutrition, short life expectancy, child labour etc - personally I can't wait to go back to those days.....and it won't be long if Cameron get's his way.



posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 09:24 AM
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Originally posted by Logos23
I don't think it's any coincidence that all of a sudden these organisation's have had the plug pulled on their funding and that people may struggle to find help regarding benefit decision's and appeal's.



You are right. The first volley in the welfare 'reform' agenda was to remove all funding for legal aid for the first round of any appeal against benefit decisions. As I understand it, welfare reform policy makers anticipated that when funding cuts to local authorities kicked in, councils would opt to cut funding to local advice services.

These council areas face the highest impact of LA funding cuts;

Barrow-in-Furness
Bolsover
Hastings
Burnley
Hyndburn
Pendle
Great Yarmouth


In an open letter to Mr Pickles sent the day before his Commons statement (December 2012), the leaders of city councils in Liverpool, Birmingham, Nottingham, Sheffield, Newcastle, Manchester and Leeds warned that "the cuts we are now being asked to make in the years ahead will go far beyond the level at which we can protect vital local services".

www.bbc.co.uk...


And it goes on:



Transforming Legal Aid

No, it isn’t over yet. The MoJ has issued a consultation on the next round of legal aid cuts, called ‘Transforming Legal Aid’. There are some specific proposals that affect legal aid housing work. Hold on to your chairs…


nearlylegal.co.uk...


The above link mainly relates to housing law but there are links to other on-line advice services, particularly those dealing with appeals against benefit decisions etc.



posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 10:02 AM
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It annoys me immensely to see some suggest that the idea of a benefits system is a joke. Anti-socialist brainwashing mantra that it is. It is a statistical fact that there ere not enough jobs to go around. Best case scenario (as of two years ago) was if you had 100% employment in the UK there would still be roughly 500k unemployed. So, a benefits system is an absolute necessity, even in the best case scenario.

This is compounded by the fact that this country produces very little any more. People tend to focus on the large manufacturers but fail to realize that at one point these manufacturers sourced components from smaller local companies. Most of these small companies are no longer in business, mostly because they could not afford to compete with foreign companies. The large companies, as we all know, pay very little tax, and have even managed to turn over considerable profits. The problem is that it's all foreign money. Where once they were pumping money into the local economy via employment in parts outsourcing, and those people in turn spent their wages into the local economy for goods and services, it's all gone.

Jobs? What jobs? You're lucky if you can even get an interview for a job never mind a job offer. Anyone who's been in the unfortunate position of seeking employment in the past couple of years will know exactly what Im talking about. The vast majority of actual jobs advertised are done so on behalf of an employment agency. In other words they will advertise 1 job at the Job Center, 100 people might want to apply but the need to register with the agency first. So before they can even get an interview they need to sign up with an employment agency, who usually sticks you on their books and it's the last you ever hear from them. They might ring you and offer you a low paid part time factory job when you applied for an admin job, but probably not. So.... you sign up, with 100 other people for this one job. Don't forget this is an employment agency so you're up against more than the 100 people who signed up at the same time as you. And lets say its your lucky day and you manage to get an interview for this 1 job. And lets you your CV was the best in the pile and you get offered the job, YAY! But wait... Its a three month temporary position!!! In three months time you'll be doing all this again.

And if it's not a temporary job, its part time. And by part time I mean you're lucky if its 10 hours a week. So even if you do by some miracle get a job, its unlikely to be full time, its unlikely to be permanent and if not now and for the foreseeable future or some time in the not too distant future, you will need to rely on benefits just to survive.

I think it's pretty safe to say that picking on people who claim benefits when the reality is that there will always be a need for benefits is absolutely divisive. The system isn't designed to work any other way. Successive governments have run this country into the ground and the current state of the benefits system and the need for it is a symptom of a cancer nobody is really willing to address. It's like complaining about that festering wound for a month then wondering why your leg falls off.

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posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 10:11 AM
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welfare was brought in to help the needy, to help to get them back on there feet NOT to support them through out there entire working life ...YES help the old and the disabled

everyone else really need to help themselves ...thats how you get on in life ....you really can't call anyone poor in the UK compared to 40 years ago ...i see single mothers who havent worked a day in there life with the latest iPhone and the big plasma in the sitting room ...

i say go out and make your own money or sit on your lazy ass and have nothing ...the choice is yours





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