"Mom is killed after she denies a man of romantic access to her underage daughter"

To be fair to Kimish, he's not exactly wrong in what he says.

Go type into Google, "Human trafficing in the UK".

Yes ok every country probably has this going on at the moment, but he's not factually incorrect.

It's like if i heard about a school shooting, i'd immediately think of the US. Yes other countries have them, but you just hear about them more often there.

Depends on how much notice you take of the UK news, there are often people being done for trafficking.

CX.

Can't wait for Obama's immigration reform to start so this can happen everyday.The citizens have no representation in Washington.Another clear example of how their watching out for your family's welfare.

reply to post by kimish


as a english man, i find this deeply offensive, How arrogant can you get, take a look at your own country before blatantly judging others.

EDIT: What a absolute douche bag.

Wow, so many attacks on the OP for his England statement and nobody bothered to look. So, what happened in England? This did:

Police launch criminal investigation into MPs’ child sex ring, January 1, 2013
www.independent.co.uk...

Peterborough: Police smash 'biggest child-sex ring' in the UK, March 31, 2013
www.mirror.co.uk...

There's a few more cases of it, too, plus another recent bust in Oxford. The presence of child sex rings actually does exist within the US. We have them here, too. I know that, locally, girls will come up missing and end up in Vancouver, BC, presumably due to a child sex ring. They tend to take these children out of the country to basically keep them from being found. Child prostitution is a major problem for just about every country. The reason why we don't hear much about it is because it's so prevalent that it's not really a story until the authorities bust the ring. Like this:

abcnews.go.com...

It's a truly horrible and sad reality. This isn't like Taken where Daddy swoops in to save his daughter. Most children entered into these rings are lost forever. These child sex rings often are multidimensional and international. Meaning that you can have a site that hosts child pornography whose source material is actually coming from a sex ring.

This guy in Phoenix was obviously not part of a child sex ring though. If he was, he wouldn't have shown up on the mother's doorstep to ask permission. The girl would've just been taken if he was. As a mom to a beautiful young daughter, it truly freaks me out. Then again, that's why I limit her internet access. She used to have internet access but I curbed that massively after finding that she had installed skype (to be fair to her, it was to be like her elder sibling and I) and had some creeper from Japan tried to add her. Thankfully, she told me all about it. She was 9 at the time. It's that easy and that prevalent. They actually sift through things on the net to find children on the net.

Take away: Unless you know how to strictly limit your children's internet access, keep your kids off the net.

reply to post by WhiteAlice


to be fair, i could do a few searchs on american and various other countrys WWW and pull cases out.. plain and simple he was wrong in what he said, like hes brandishing every english person as a damn pervert.

every country has perverts, rapists, murderer's etc.. no country is Known for it, unless it for drugs.

reply to post by kimish


These attacks have been going on in UK for 5 years now since Muslims were told to make the UK race Muslim, they are courting our girls too, and if the girls try to get away from them they inject them with drugs, that ruins them anyway plus they make girls as young as 12 pregnant anyway, yes lots wont like your story because they prefer to do it in secret without public being aware, even our Muslim run BBC service wont tell parents whet is going on, but Police ARE saying it is going on because they need to make parents and teachers aware of this major UK problem.

I really don't get why immigration is being dragged into this discussion. It's moot. The logic people are proposing is that either:

1) all Mexicans are murderous rapists, or;
2) all illegal immigrants are murderous rapists.

If this is held up as an excuse to deport all illegals, there must not be better arguments to make than 1 in such-and-such number are rapists, thieves, murderers or drunk drivers. I wonder how many ruff-and-tumble Irish or Italian immigrants from the 1890s raped or murdered when they got here.

The point I'm making is that you can't hold this up as an example of why illegal immigration is bad (I can give much better examples based on the overall population and social stats to show that). Pointing out random things like this is polarizing.

From an anecdotal perspective, I've known illegals all my life - personal friends, family members, former coworkers, classmates, acquaintances - from Mexico, Haiti, Poland, Czech Republic, Jamaica and Brazil...none were rapists or murderers...ok, so I can't speak specifically for the acquaintances, but since we're talking friends of friends, the gossip would get back to me if something happened.

My point is, that from where I'm sitting, that argument doesn't hold water (that illegals are inherently bad people). This guy? Yeah, messed up...I only hope the teenager does not develop a sexual stigma from this (ie, could have prevented it if she had sex with that man). Aside from the trauma of loosing her mom in front of her eyes, the unjustifiable guilt could lead her down an unsafe path and I hope she gets serious therapy for that!

Originally posted by Peazz
reply to post by WhiteAlice

 

to be fair, i could do a few searchs on american and various other countrys WWW and pull cases out.. plain and simple he was wrong in what he said, like hes brandishing every english person as a damn pervert.

every country has perverts, rapists, murderer's etc.. no country is Known for it, unless it for drugs.

You obviously didn't read my full post or missed the fact that I said it occurs locally for me and the children end up in Vancouver BC--the next country over. I wasn't singling out the UK in the slightest but emphasizing that it exists here as it does globally. I suggest you read a person's full post before reacting to it. If anything, it could be said that the child sex rings here in the US could have far more power and money than the ones in the UK because many of them haven't been caught yet. With three potential child sex ring busts just this year alone in the UK, the English are way ahead of the US in cracking down on it. I think we've had one bust recently and that was a day care.

Originally posted by Peazz
reply to post by kimish

 

as a english man, i find this deeply offensive, How arrogant can you get, take a look at your own country before blatantly judging others.

EDIT: What a absolute douche bag.

edit on 10-4-2013 by Peazz because: ammend

I'm sorry you feel that way. Maybe if you sharpened your reading comprehension skills you wouldn't feel that way.

EDIT: thanks. I'd rather be a giant douche than a turd sandwich.

Originally posted by WhiteAlice
Wow, so many attacks on the OP for his England statement and nobody bothered to look. So, what happened in England? This did:

Police launch criminal investigation into MPs’ child sex ring, January 1, 2013
www.independent.co.uk...

Peterborough: Police smash 'biggest child-sex ring' in the UK, March 31, 2013
www.mirror.co.uk...

Those are two different things though. There are working class asian gangs grooming vulnerable young girls in towns in the UK, . The Mp peodophile ring is something else on a whole other level and mostly involved boys at childrens homes.

Either way, what is happening in England is gangs systematically grooming girls. ie they target them and take months to get them on their side and ply them with drugs.

It's not really comparable with some nutcase going to someone's house and shooting her mother as far as I can see, unless further details come out.

Originally posted by DrHammondStoat
It's not really comparable with some nutcase going to someone's house and shooting her mother as far as I can see, unless further details come out.

Yep and that was actually the observation I made in the very post that you quoted. Here's what I said at the end in that same post that you clipped as reminder:

Originally posted by WhiteAlice
This guy in Phoenix was obviously not part of a child sex ring though. If he was, he wouldn't have shown up on the mother's doorstep to ask permission.

See? I actually made that observation. This getting kind of silly. Come on, people--read the entire post please before just jumping to conclusions. Second time in this thread where I've had to point out that I actually did address something that responders stated I didn't address or whatever.

Originally posted by WhiteAlice


See? I actually made that observation. This getting kind of silly. Come on, people--read the entire post please before just jumping to conclusions. Second time in this thread where I've had to point out that I actually did address something that responders stated I didn't address or whatever.

No offence meant by what I wrote, I did read what you wrote. I was pointing out that Asian gangs and Large scale government child sex rings are not the same issue, I wasn't saying it was you in particular either, never mind

Given the guy thinks that 14 is ok if he has permission probably goes back to mexican age of consent law as at some places it can be as low as 12 so if he thought she's two years over the limit (in his mind) but i'd better get parental permission as even in mexico it seems a ropey area of law and you can imagine the mums reaction for her daughter to be violated, it was never going to end well and i'm sure the fact she'd of off'd him to the police would of make him scared especially being illegal so he would of thought either life inside as a child molester or kill the woman and hope he can escape

/// man its a wicked world we live in

reply to post by Maxatoria


Yes, very wicked. Not too much surprises me anymore. gawd That's scary.

With 11 million getting citizenship sooner than later, I sure hope we don't see stories like this happen more frequently. If so, I can see a lot of fathers getting put behind bars for beating the crap out of the new citizens for trying to pick up their 15 year old daughters.

Another thing the article doesnt make clear is why it took the police two days to arrest him...

... a murder that happened late Monday night ...
On Wednesday, deputies arrested Zarate. He was found at his home.

Edit - after a bit of searching news reports, this one is the answer...

MCSO seeks public's help to locate homicide suspect

The sheriff's office has released a photo of Zarate and is asking for the public's help to locate him.

reply to post by DrHammondStoat


Thanks for the clarification. I was about to start obliterating brain cells by bludgeoning my forehead on my desk if it happened one more time (3 times a charm to make Alice get a concussion!). You saved my life.

Pedophilia really is a multilevel problem anywhere on the planet. You've got the creepy old guys that like to live near schools to 20 something wannabe Don Juan pedophiles like the creeper in this news story to church members to gangs to crime syndicates to government. And that isn't even counting the perps that don't touch the kids directly but look at the pornography from all of the above. It's a major and very complex problem. God knows how many kids out there around the world are being so significantly harmed as we speak. Ugh.

reply to post by alfa1


Nice! I didn't catch that! I wonder what's going on. That seems weird that it took them 2 days to get him. Maybe they needed time to rehearse for all the PC comments that would ensue following an arrest of an illegal immigrant,.

Dude, when the pedo-scandals started to break over here you can bet your bottom dollar there were some pretty frantic transatlantic phonecalls getting made.

reply to post by UnBreakable


The really funny thing? they are from ireland and are talking about england having a problem

reply to post by kimish


My thoughts on this are as follows. The "Age" issue aside, this guy obviously had very strong feelings for this girl, and he had an "obstacle" in his path. His feelings was obviously strong enough to apply lethal force to remove this obstacle, which gives us a pretty good idea about the intensity of his feelings here. I doubt such feelings can mature without being mutual, there is probably a bit of history between these persons already.

So far it is completely understandable, from a natural viewpoint, how we humans are constructed to react to our overwhelming emotions.

Any third party judgemental thoughts here are uninteresting to me, since i only deal in the science, which is perfectly understandable, in this case. Nothing out of the ordinary.