Thank you Valhall for consicely stating the reason why this act (saying marriage = man+woman only) is not itself a "bad" act because it has been
done in an accepted democratic manner. This is not saying this form of governance and "social evolution" is perfect, indeed as in this case, many
people see the decision as wrong.
Accepting the fact that society can determine its identity in this way means accepting the fact that the society will not choose your way
This fact really really bothers people, and i know why.
It means they'd have to take NO for an answer and deal with it, even if continued concensus building twords a majority takes a long time.
Kid seems confused,
The big argument with the gay marriage ammendment is Man+woman=Family. That is the WHOLE argument. This is not true. Only someone who cant see past
thier own life would even think such a thing.
NO ITS NOT. For some, mostly religious types, they may draw this conclusion, but it is certantly no where near my reasons for saying NO. You
claim its the whole argument...ARE YOU READING AND COMPREHENDING THE OTHER REASONS BEING SHOWN RIGHT NOW? if so then there are more reasons than
The only someones that cant see past their own lifes here is THE GAY PEOPLE/supporters! As i see it, gay couples HAVE been given recognization
(institutionalized) by society as being capable of being considered a family unit, AND can thus adopt children. Personally i dont think that our
society delved deep enough into legsilating this to understand any long term societal effects (+ or -). But never the less, the culture says this is
acceptable. How dont YOU see this let alone acuse others of blindness?
see this thread for 10999 others
then ask yourselves how much of these linkages get talked about. Still informed are we?
Ahh the fair Lady V chimes in,
it appears that the majority doesn't care about people being killed, about our envirnoment....they seem to care more about what people my be doing in
the privacy of their own bedroom.
Please save the pity card...trying to inflate the suffering of gays to that of people murderd (or did you mean killed in war...you know you
want to bash the USA), and the overall destruction of the environment is what id expect for an emotionally sympathetic tug at the heartstrings.
You get no sympathy for that argument as the level of suffering between the groups is no where near equal.
kid seeks wisdom and asks,
You still have not answered my original question. Why cant two women, or two men have a real meaningful relationship and raise a family? What is going
to happen? Will society crumble? How do we have the right to tell someone who they can love and marry?
The raise a family issue i just answered for you one paragraph ago.
How can you prove love...define real and meaningful in a marriage context.
Society falling? Societies have "devolved" based upon a "washing out" of its cultural identity. Cultures have been destroyed thru dilution of
cultural heritage. In this case id say, has the issue really been looked at, both legally and from a cultural standpoint before we just run off and
create another protected special intrest minority group? We should not culturalize something this charged as a "feel good" measure. The road to
hell my friend ....is paved with good intentions.
How do we have the right to tell someone who they can love and marry?
Most arent saying "dont love that person" we really dont care most of us....we do care when you get to the courthouse and request entitlements
based upon certain criteria. Our culture has in 11 states made this determination thru accepted means. (living/participating in a democracy is
VOLUNTARY) There is nothing wrong with the overall culture doing so to identify itself both to its citizens and to the world.
For anyone to look at a person that says "no to gay marriage" and then judge them a bigot, homophobe, or deranged person is WRONG...it is projecting
your bias onto them before youve even asked why.
(now when jesus and the devil come up, you MUST accept that they can believe that, that they could be the majority, even tho you dont believe it you
must RESPECT their right to believe such and not persecute them for it.)
And to say to us fellow citizens we cant use the tools of democracy this country in based on to fairly determine this (as best as it can be for +250
million people) is also wrong, It is an attempt to remove OUR rights so that you can get something. These are 2 big reasons im saying NO to the gay
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