Ron Paul: "The American Republic is dead."

Originally posted by POXUSA

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
The world has indeed changed, I'll grant you that. However mankind's struggle for liberty in the face of tyranny is as old as it gets. These founding fathers in their wisdom created the most free system of governance in human history.

Only to be squandered by liberal Marxist's of the Obama regime running roughshod over American liberties.

This began decades ago, but what Obama and the congress he had his first two years did, was put gasoline on the fire. But what makes me so mad is that these Marxist Socialists campaign as right of center moderates and fiscal Conservatives. They don't have a shred of integrity. (And GWB did the same thing). You'll even see big government Republicans like McCain, Graham, and Boehner campaign as strict Conservatives in their respective states. The problem isn't blue vs red, it's Liberty vs Statism.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by POXUSA

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
The world has indeed changed, I'll grant you that. However mankind's struggle for liberty in the face of tyranny is as old as it gets. These founding fathers in their wisdom created the most free system of governance in human history.

Only to be squandered by liberal Marxist's of the Obama regime running roughshod over American liberties.

This began decades ago, but what Obama and the congress he had his first two years did, was put gasoline on the fire. But what makes me so mad is that these Marxist Socialists campaign as right of center moderates and fiscal Conservatives. They don't have a shred of integrity. (And GWB did the same thing). You'll even see big government Republicans like McCain, Graham, and Boehner campaign as strict Conservatives in their respective states. The problem isn't blue vs red, it's Liberty vs Statism.

Yes - and please recall that all Neo-Cons (so-called) were and are Liberals of the Trotskyite kind. They switched uniforms but not allegiances.

And I say its Liberty vs. Stalinism whom the liberals openly adore - among with Mao.

QUOTE from article What is a Neo-Conservative Anyway?

"Neo conservatives" are mostly former leftists/liberals who converted to conservatism during the '70's and when Ronald Reagan became President. In domestic policy they tend to be moderate "welfare" Republicans. However, their major concern is foreign policy. They strongly favor US military interventions overseas and becoming the world’s policeman. They promoted the First Iraq War and are constantly the instigators for more confrontation with Iraq, Iran, the Sudan, and other Moslem states. They were among the chief instigators of the Kosovo War.

The Neoconservative Movement is Trotskyism

EXCERPT

Former neoconservative luminary Francis Fukuyama of Stanford (formerly of Johns Hopkins) compares the neoconservative movement to Leninism. Neoconservatism, according to Fukuyama, is the reincarnation to some extent of both Leninism and Bolshevism.

Fukuyama’s observation makes sense when even Irving Kristol, who founded the movement, proudly admitted that the “honor I most prized was the fact that I was a member in good standing of the [Trotskyist] Young People’s Socialist League (Fourth International).”

And this neoconservative movement, as Jewish writer Sidney Blumenthal has shown, found its political and intellectual ideology “in the disputatious heritage of the Talmud.”

These Ron Paul videos will go down in history as the warnings that fell on deaf ears. A hundred years from now when another society looks back at America, they will watch this man speak and wonder how in the world we were so damn stupid.

The American republic was dead from the get go.

The "founding fathers" sold our country to foreign bankers and created the first semi-private central bank.

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by WaterBottle
The American republic was dead from the get go.

The "founding fathers" sold our country to foreign bankers and created the first semi-private central bank.

en.wikipedia.org...

edit on 9-4-2013 by WaterBottle because: (no reason given)

It doesn't much matter what our founders did, they also owned slaves. It was the idea that survived to modern day, not them. That idea is the only thing keeping this nation together. The constitution and bill of rights are the only documents that hold any meaning.

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There's no such thing as a liberal marxist, the term is a oxymoron.

A liberal is capitalist.

A marxist is communist.

The two systems of thought cannot coincide.

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It doesn't much matter what our founders did, they also owned slaves. It was the idea that survived to modern day, not them.

The idea of selling a country to bankers? Yeah it has survived, hence why we have the federal reserve. Thanks George Washington for creating the very first fed!!

The constitution and bill of rights are the only documents that hold any meaning.

Right, that's why the patriot act had no problem getting passed, as long as with the NDAA. The constitution is so respected!

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It's not the constitution's fault that the American people forgot what the word 'treason' means.

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I would say that these, and other labels (such as neocon, or socialist) are really meaningless. The true advesary we are dealing with is a group of entitled, ignorant, and down right twisted "leaders" . They will take on whatever monicker is useful to them at the time, be it hippy, pinko, jew, muslim, athiest, witch, born again, or satanic.

These "people" degrade and abuse the rights, lives, and dignity of all those around them in the name of power...and they will never be satisfied. They could have complete control of mother earth and/or the human race; and I fully believe they would cut out their own eyes in exchange for a bit more influence... their 30 bits of silver.

They are ultimately addicted to power.

Originally posted by VivaDiscordia
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Why do people always assume, or for that matter even find relevance in, the thoughts of the founding fathers. They were great men who built a nation, but the world has charged, moving with a speed and complexity they could not anticipate. It's a speculative argument and nothing more. As for Paul, enough with his magic wand babble. His belief that by regressing our behaviors to when we were prosperous we can be prosperous again. Try it in your own life and see the result. If you have kids, only spend money on things you spent money on before you had kids. If you have a mortgage, pay only the amount you paid for your first apartment. Tell me how that works out.

Very well said. I don't care if you are an individual, a family, a small business, a corporation, a state government, or the federal government, the costs of goods and services will continue to increase each year.

Everyone here should watch the StarWars prequels (again) to see what exactly is happening!

They are prepping the Presidency to lead or be part of The First Empire of Earth...

The American Republic is alive and well and gently moving away from Social Conservatism. No longer does this nation tolerate bigotry or hate, or discrimination based on aspects of a person that is beyond their control.

This is what Paul hates in the depths of his soul, the fact that this country is at it's heart a socially liberal nation and that social conservatism is what is dead.

Originally posted by VivaDiscordia
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Why do people always assume, or for that matter even find relevance in, the thoughts of the founding fathers. They were great men who built a nation, but the world has charged, moving with a speed and complexity they could not anticipate. It's a speculative argument and nothing more. As for Paul, enough with his magic wand babble. His belief that by regressing our behaviors to when we were prosperous we can be prosperous again. Try it in your own life and see the result. If you have kids, only spend money on things you spent money on before you had kids. If you have a mortgage, pay only the amount you paid for your first apartment. Tell me how that works out.

erm, your last financial points, about the ridiculous way the economy has been handled and the effects of inflation are exactly Ron Paul's points!

Originally posted by HauntWok
The American Republic is alive and well and gently moving away from Social Conservatism. No longer does this nation tolerate bigotry or hate, or discrimination based on aspects of a person that is beyond their control.

This is what Paul hates in the depths of his soul, the fact that this country is at it's heart a socially liberal nation and that social conservatism is what is dead.

you are either ignorant or lying, not sure which

reply to post by Credenceskynyrd

you are either ignorant or lying, not sure which

Neither. Ron Paul is a social conservative. That's not what this nation is about. He opposes freedom for women to have control over their bodies. He wants to force Cannon Law on us all, he even said in his campaign that his decisions come from Jesus and not the will of his constituents. This all comes from his own campaign website.

Originally posted by HauntWok
reply to post by Credenceskynyrd

 

you are either ignorant or lying, not sure which

Neither. Ron Paul is a social conservative. That's not what this nation is about. He opposes freedom for women to have control over their bodies. He wants to force Cannon Law on us all, he even said in his campaign that his decisions come from Jesus and not the will of his constituents. This all comes from his own campaign website.

quite the opposite, he seeks a retreat of the state, progressives seek an ENCROACHMENT of the state

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Why do people always assume, or for that matter even find relevance in, the thoughts of the founding fathers.

prime example of the American education system at work.............

The indoctrination is working........

And sir, that statement alone made me vomit.......Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it......remember that......

This idea and attitude that we know so much better then "old men" with "outdated ideas" is a sickness on this nation....

I've come to think that RP is nothing more than a bone that TPTB have thrown independant thinkers and freedom-loving individuals. He never was able to accomplish much of anything, and kept all the people who thought like him distracted and tied up.

Nothing will ever become of Ron Paul or his ideals, there is to much wealth and more importantly power at the highest levels to ever allow such a thing. No one that is serious about his ideas will even be able to sniff the carpet of the white house, let alone infiltrate anything higher than the office of Congressman.

It was all a smoke screen to take votes away from other candidates, and keep his supporters tied up. As nice as logical as his thinking may be, he is most likey an unknowing pawn for the elite.

"Ron Paul: "The American Republic is dead."

From what i've seen,its not......at least not yet.

And even if it is,or will be,there is no one person,or gov to point he finger at.
Everyone,rise from for your computer chairs,ok,now go locate the nearest mirror in your house,good,now take a good long look at yourself and realise you are to blame.

People have given this control and power to politicians.
They didn't take it.
It was given to them through peoples non-action.

"In a democracy, people get the government they deserve," -Alexis de Toqueville.

The actual quote is: "The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke.

Just my 2 cents.
~Cheers~

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quite the opposite, he seeks a retreat of the state, progressives seek an ENCROACHMENT of the state

Dictating what women do with their bodies is encroachment of the state, ignoring the will of his constituents in favor of his personal belief in a deity and using that belief to make his legislative decisions is not what he was elected for.