Ancient Items That Shouldn't Exist (OOPARTs)

You are consistently missing my point. NoRegretsEver, one of my favourite posters on this site, made a thread on the point I am trying to make...very, very, very few of the flags that you are receiving, as the odd comments throughout testify to, are actually reading the thread. Those flags might as well be saying 'Baa' each time it is hit.

I do not care about flags. That's not why I make threads. As for what other people choose to flag, that's there choice.

If you can link NoRegretsEver's thread I'd love to read it. If you can't find it, I understand and no problem.

I am not demonising the thread because it contains 'fringe' material, I am 'demonising' it because it is a really poorly constructed thread, lacking in any research, or even integrity, and it demonstrates just how far this site has descended into worthless sychophancy. Admittedly, that isn't entirely your fault, but you are responsible and churned out quite a few along the same lines, hence reinforcing that ignorance I was talking about before. Again, I repeat, I know that you know how to do research properly because you wouldn't have a MA if you didn't, so I can only wonder why you do not understand why I am so critical of your inability to apply similar standards here.

reply to post by KilgoreTrout

And this is your opinion.

In putting together this thread I read several different sources, on both sides of the "argument," so to speak. I found compelling arguments for both sides. Therefore, I posted it here to get the opinions of others.

We seem to disagree in our understanding of the role of ATS. I don't come here to read journal quality research papers. If I wanted to do that, then I'd subscribe to those journals. I come to ATS to have DIALOGUE with others about topics of interest. This thread has done just that. I've learned quite a lot from several members thanks to this thread (and the other threads).

So there it is.

Originally posted by smyleegrl
We seem to disagree in our understanding of the role of ATS. I don't come here to read journal quality research papers. If I wanted to do that, then I'd subscribe to those journals. I come to ATS to have DIALOGUE with others about topics of interest. This thread has done just that. I've learned quite a lot from several members thanks to this thread (and the other threads).

The words, underneath the logo, Deny Ignorance, that is my understanding of the 'role of ATS'.

I suggest if you want to read NoRegretsEver's thread you make the effort to go to her profile, all her threads display the integrity that I speak of, and are well worth the read. She sets an excellent example.

I look forward to you displaying some of that knowledge that you claim to have gained, it is good to give as well as take you know

Originally posted by demongoat
indeed so, i love archaeology and ancient history. it boils my blood how people can twist and distort it all and yet claim the experts who spend their lives scraping together the information they use, are liars.

it's disgusting how people will demonize scientists even though the information they are using is from those very same scientists!
it's insane, it makes my head hurt just thinking about that byzantine way of thinking.

Oh my friend, its alternative science and archaeology that gets demonized far more by a long shot. Heart here represents the style of these witch hunters. I have several of their books and they are gastly.

Now as far a using the field work of pro diggers yes I use it but dont demonize them. But I see it all the time, they lable stuff incorrectly because some lack a broader understanding.

I saw a report....a team dug up some very well made figurines from a mound in ohio and didnt recognize that they represented the major yoga positions. Or the guy that dug up a european style double ax head and said it was an atlatl weight. Look at what they did to the kensington stone for years.

Originally posted by smyleegrl

I had a hard time finding a “credible” source for the topic of the Aluminum Wedge. Most of the sources I came across consisted of blogs, ancient alien webpages, and the like. I feel these sources are biased, but will present what I found and leave the final determination to you.

In 1974 Romania, workers unearthed three objects. Two of the objects proved to be mastodon bones, dated to the Miocene and Pleistocene periods. The third object, however, was strange indeed.

It was a block of metal, similar in appearance to the head of a hammer. Unsure of the object’s ultimate identity, the scientists sent it off to be tested and studied.

According to the tests, the item is composed of 89% aluminum alloy, which does not occur naturally in nature. Therefore, the item must have been manufactured. Supporting this claim is the shape and design of the object, which does indeed appear artificial.

The object is covered with a thick layer of aluminum oxide. After the analysis of this layer, the specialist affirmed that the object is at least 300 to 400 years old.

This result puzzled the researchers because pure aluminum was not readily obtainable until the middle of the 19th century.

Other specialists claim that the object could be 20,000 years old because it was found in a layer with mastodon bone. Perhaps this particular specimen lived in the latter part of the Pleistocene.

Some researchers suppose that this piece of metal was part of a flying object that had fallen into the river. They presume that it had an extraterrestrial origin. Other researchers affirm that it was made on Earth and was part of a tool. The purpose of this tool is unknown.

My theory is that it is a long digger tooth - the metal teeth that are attached onto digger buckets. If they were excavating these bones, they must have been using some kind of digger. Imagine if one of the teeth snags on the bones, snaps the holding bolt and gets lost in the earth.

Months later the archaeologist finds the item and is completely perplexed by this mysterious artifact. The closest match is a self-sharpening tooth.

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Wikipedia. Like somebody couldn't edit in some 'precise' debunking after they have already been brought to light?

Originally posted by DevineWisdom

Originally posted by demongoat

Originally posted by DevineWisdom
These are the types of things that make my mind wonder...
If our civilization where to reach it's peak tomorrow and suddenly collapse, how much of our knowledge would survive 10,000 or 50,000 years from now? If the next civilization that arose within that time frame had developed a new language, I can imagine that they would be speculating on the remnants of what they dug up from our lost civilization just like we do now. I think that knowledge can easily be lost in time. It is my personal belief that many civilizations have risen and fallen over several thousand perhaps even millions of years and I'm pretty sure that our civilization isn't the most advanced of them. While all we can do is guess and try to imagine how the ancient people did things and what kinds of tools and technology they had, some day tens of thousands of years from now a new civilization may be wondering that of us!

see the problem with this assumption is, we have found evidence of the level of technology of our ancestors going back thousands of years, hundreds of thousands of years and even millions.
we have found no sign of any evidence above a paleolithic level of tech, if we can find tech 50 thousand years into their future, no doubt another intelligent species would find remains of our tech 50 thousand years into ours.

how can you claim that? where is your evidence? there isn't any evidence that any civilizations existed that long ago, there have been societies but they were neolithic and paleolithic and we found them.

thing is, a civilization from 10 thousand years ago would still have remains, and would leave evidence of their way of life, there are areas in the middle east that have been occupied for longer than that, and we find remains.

if a new species rose up after we wipe ourselves out in 50 thousand years, they would find a lot of our remains, buildings,cars, plastics, depending on how long ago we die, newer tech that we develop.
this depends largely on how it was preserved, they wouldn't know what it is and just like us have to guess sometimes and hope they find something to explain it.
heck i bet we could if we wanted to, create a way to preserve a huge amount of information about ourselves, if we wanted to. what we know about our ancestors is a lot of time an accident, rather than intentional, we are the same way, we don't think about that far into the future.

Most of information in more modern times is stored in books or on computer hard drives and CD's and things of that nature. Do you really believe that our buildings won't crumble, our cars won't rust and wither away, and our technology will survive the ravages of time? As I stated before, It is MY PERSONAL BELIEF. Nothing more, and nothing less. The only evidence or proof I need for my opinion on this is that knowledge can be easily lost over a long period of time and I feel it would be naive to think, as old as the earth is, that we are the first modern civilization to arise in such a vast time scale. We only know what we're told about ancient civilizations and I also believe we're not being told everything there is to know.

I've had Internet since the early 1990's and like many others internet beachcombers, kept all the interesting bits and pieces that came by. Most webpages don't last more than two years. Then that information is gone forever.
You can visit websites like "tineye.com" to look to see how far images and pictures have travelled.

From personal experience, 5.25" and 3.25" disks and video tapes have lasted longer than burnable CD's and DVD's. The latter two scratch, warp, corrode and rapidly became out of date as laser technology changed. Paper has lasted even longer. Memory sticks can fry with power spikes. Hard disk drives that are carried around in an external USB enclosure will fail much rapidly than those kept in a desktop.

We used to visit second-hand bookstores and could find books that were 120 years old (written in the 1890's) - when I was studying for my exams some of these books provided me with the clearest explanations. It really got to me that some person who I had never met and was long gone, was in a way helping me complete my work.

There's a story about the original series of The Avengers. There were tales that there was one afternoon where they filmed some scenes in color as an experiment then discarded. That was thought to be pub table rumours and chit-chat. Then one day, a woman called the technicians up. She had found dozens of film reels in the rafters of an old shed and thought they were important. These were analyzed and found to be the "missing reels", lost after 40 years.

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