Originally posted by 200Plus
Explain to me how "they don't know what the pledge means"
Easy: children are taught the words of the pledge and required to repeat them. No explanation is given. The words are taught, and expected to be
repeated by the students.
What eight year old can form a cognizant opinion about the government
They can't and that is pretty much my point. Why should they be required to repeat something that they have no understanding of, especially when
there is a deep (and what some would consider patriotic, and political) meaning to the words. This isn't itsy bitsy spider that we are talking
I am just really trying to figure out what the story is.
Here is the story- it is pretty simple
I'll put it in Q&A format, and keep it as simple as possible
(Student to teacher)
Q: "Why do I have to say the pledge of allegiance?"
A: "Because you have to"
A: "Because it's what is expected for you to do"
A; " Because we do it every morning"
A; "Just do as I tell you"
(Student comes home and asks parent)
Q:"Mommy, the teachers tell me I have to say the pledge of Allegiance, but they won't tell me why I have to say it"
A: "Do you know what the words to the Pledge of Allegiance are? "
Q: "Yes, but they don't make sense to me"
A: "Let's go look them up"
Keep in mind that the small group of parents that I belong to try really hard to teach our children/grandchildren to form their own opinions and not
just parrot what our beliefs are, no matter what the subject matter, and we also allow them to maintain their opinion even if it differs from ours so
long as the child can validate their reasons with logic. In our households "Because I said so" is NOT a reasonable explanation, even if we are the
ones saying it, and if we do not expect our children to accept that explanation from us, then we cannot expect them to accept it from someone else. We
allow our children to ask WHY, and we feel that this helps develop a child's critical thinking skills, and teaches them valuable lessons that they
may not otherwise get.
+ETA - perhaps the parents need to teach the child that they are not pledging to the government.
But, as the 8 year old pointed out after looking up the meanings of the words that they did not understand, they are....
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with
liberty and justice for all"
Where is the agreement to do what the government says?
it is found in the definitions of the words pledge and allegiance.
a binding promise or agreement to do or forbear
and from the "Merriam Webster Student Dictionary
a promise or agreement that must be kept
the fidelity owed by a subject or citizen to a sovereign or government
and again from the Merriam Webster Student Dictionary
loyalty and obedience owed to one's country or government
The definition of the word allegiance says it all. It's pretty simple to understand, and right there in black and white.