Republicans Vs Jesus Christ

Okay bear with me here this is a topic that I have long mulled over and don't understand where the right comes from here. They seem to be totally lost and backwards in their thinking. Simply because they are in direct opposition of Christ with their attitudes and their supposed actions (This is only considering the right Christians which seems to be what most of the right are)
Most of them say they follow Christ's teaching, but if you explore the very life of him, you see that he is a Socialist and Idealist, he believed in redemption for all, if they were to change their ways, in fact the only thing he was against wholeheartedly was the banking system back then, he even overturned their collection tables and called it usury. Today the right glorifies the banking system. Also he died so that all would receive redemption and salvation that means even the gays and even the women that had abortions, if they only accept him and ask for forgiveness in his name. But the right want to legislate the hell out of morality (God and Jesus must be something a person seeks out for oneself, NOT to be legislated but let the usurers rape and gouge the people of everything they need?). This is what I have observed. But He himself says that the people must come to him of their own free will. So even if someone doesn't accept him as the savior until their deathbed that they still have a path to redemption if they accept him on their deathbed. He even gave a prostitute forgiveness. He said the meek shall inherit the earth, not someone who hoarded money on the falseness of "Personal Responsibility" personal responsibility quite frankly, in my eyes is watch what you do, not what the heck the Jones' do and judge not, lest ye be judged yourselves, So why in God's name do these rightists want to go telling everybody what to do and how to live their lives? What is so hard to understand about his teachings from people who say they live as a follower of Jesus, when a PAGAN can understand it better? It isn't hard really, it's very simple.

This is just stuff I got from watching The Bible on the History Channel (NOT BY CHOICE) and I am just left scratching my head. Am I the only one that thinks that the right are at odds with their beliefs and their actions?

This is because the right is a sham; religion is simply a tool they use to garner popularity amongst the masses, as all political parties do. If you want to hold public office in the bible belt, it would serve you to publicly identify yourself as a Christian, even if you are not.

reply to post by ldyserenity


Explanation: S&F!

I have liitle and or no time for the Republicans!

Republicans can call themselves what ever they want to ... it is up to God to Judge them on their own actions.

Personal Disclosure: I just need to be right with God!

reply to post by ldyserenity




its called intellectual dishonesty,

both sides are guilty of this.
xploder

reply to post by XPLodER


Yes they are both guilty of this. I agree. I just so happened to be thinking about this particular instance simply because I had just watched that movie and the next day fat old yankee doodle Rush was talking about gays and civil unions and marriage, because again, I had NO CHOICE so this made me ponder the whole Bible thing and the right's reasoning. I just wondered why would they do this, I got my answer intellectual dishonesty. I guess I really can't comprehend that though because I am not a politician I guess, let's face it them and their cheer sections are just a different animal than the whatever percent of non extremists there are on this Earth. LOL.

This is just stuff I got from watching The Bible on the History Channel (NOT BY CHOICE) and I am just left scratching my head. Am I the only one that thinks that the right are at odds with their beliefs and their actions?

When has Hollywood ever espoused Biblical morality or glorified the truth of the gospel or Jesus Christ? Why would that change on the Freemason branded History Channel, particularly because it does the same as the leaders in Judea? 

If you come to believe that Jesus Christ stood for 'x', any conclusion drawn from that premise will be flawed if 'x' is false. THIS is how the world in Judea chose Barabbas and crucify Jesus Christ. And this is how it is today.

I'll give one example since you brought it ip. Outlawing abortion isn't legislating morality, it's upholding the truth that it is child murder. If we all woke up tomorrow and found the 50 million infants,  slaughtered through abortion, strewn across the land in all their blood and body parts, don't you think that this nation would possibly be shocked into truth? Jesus Christ is the Truth, and heals the eyes to see that it IS murder. Without that healing, we see with eyes blinded by the doctrines and teachings of men that are adversarial (satans) to its Creator's revealed truth. Society sees abortion as not murder because those doctrines of men state that it is a "right", that the unborn baby is merely a clump of cells, that this clump of cells isn't human life and we are constantly told that those who speak the truth - that abortion is murder - are the ones who seek to take away this "right".  Hence we come right back to my response. It is YOU that thinks outlawing abortion is 'legislating morality', yet the last time I checked, the deliberate taking of human life is, and always has been, MURDER. What changed in society to blind us to this revealed truth? Man's doctrines and teachings. Men and women who want to murder their unborn baby must override the revealed truth in their conscience in order to do what they want to do, hence all of those satanic doctrines of men are used to reason away what our conscience KNOWS TO BE TRUE. 

Jesus Christ came and found Judea completely under the sway and oppression of adversaries, and how did these adversaries cut off their converts from knowledge of Him and His laws? By simply making their converts twice the children of hell through their false teachings and doctrines. The people then reasoned with those things instead of with His teachings. So you using the example that those wanting to outlaw abortion are "trying to legislate morality" is you merely using the satanic words of men which are adversial to Their Creator's revealed truth. Only when you dump and reject the teachings of men can you even begin to understand revealed truth - that it is the deliberate taking of life, murder. Try it sometime - pretend that you are carrying a child and want it to go away - every excuse that pops up in your mind as to why it's not murder has been given to you by satans - words, arguments etc - all from man. When we can ditch THAT, we can hear that it is murder. A child knows it, and why? Those words and arguments have not yet influenced them.

Did The Bible on the Freemason History channel teach you any of that? No. Why not? They are satans. In which case, you cannot draw any truthful conclusions if they gave you false premises by which to reason. Am I saying that the national republican leaders are in Christ and speak His Truth? Heck no. Everyone that I see I test their words against scripture and look to their fruits. If they don't match, I must make a judgement. Many have failed the test. But please, the world today believes a false Jesus Christ who preaches a false gospel. The world today thinks that the Judge of mankind is some powerless hippy who'd put up with our sins, yet have no understanding that He sits as our Lord and King fully judging each of us and pouring out His wrath. The world today is like Judea, whereby wicked men and their converts put Almighty God on trial and chose to release an insurrectionist, murder and robber and chose to crucify the Author of our Salvation. Little did they understand that it was them on trial for rejecting Him as King.

Take this opportunity to compare what the History Channel taught you and what your Creator awaits to teach you.

"and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; (make merchandise of you KJV) their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep." (2 Peter 2:3)

Originally posted by ldyserenity
reply to post by XPLodER

 

Yes they are both guilty of this. I agree. I just so happened to be thinking about this particular instance simply because I had just watched that movie and the next day fat old yankee doodle Rush was talking about gays and civil unions and marriage, because again, I had NO CHOICE so this made me ponder the whole Bible thing and the right's reasoning. I just wondered why would they do this, I got my answer intellectual dishonesty. I guess I really can't comprehend that though because I am not a politician I guess, let's face it them and their cheer sections are just a different animal than the whatever percent of non extremists there are on this Earth. LOL.

Rush routinely rejects the teachings of the Christian Savior even as he gives lip service to the religion that Christ founded. Know them by their fruits. By all available evidence, he espouses freemasonry and cabalist beliefs. In which case, shouldn't you be wondering why certain groups hold both sides of an argument, creating the very tensions which will lead to revolution? If you won't bother asking Our Creator for HIS truth, you'll be left to the lies of wicked men.

reply to post by ldyserenity


OP s&f

To answer one of your questions I will say I have pondered some of the same things you are.

They have to be the most hypocritical bunch on earth in my opinion. Complete walking talking contradictions. I have never fully understood how they themselves do not see it. The blind leading the blind maybe.

I had seen a clip at one point explaining how they justify corporate greed and how there was a concerted effort to twist the teachings of Jesus to make it justifiable I think they knew better but greed won the day and they claimed ignorance if they were shown that they were in the wrong but then again there are a lot of ignorant not so bright right wing politicians out there so just maybe they were too dumb to realize they have been coned, bamboozled into becoming their own anti Christ’s.

reply to post by ldyserenity


You pretty much nailed it here. This has been my biggest issue with republican Christians. The Jesus of the Christian bible would not have taken kindly to the GOP policies or notions we have today. In fact, the Republican party leans heavily on Ayn Rand who, unknowingly, followed contemporary Satanic doctrine almost to the letter.

It's part of a brilliant that I can't quite wrap my head around. I mean, why would the party who is against taxes and charity be the same to exemplify all of the hate-based rules in the bible? They take the hate but ignore the love. Having the republican politicians pretend to be Christian is how they keep voters divided.

It's like the Christian voters look at the typical GOP candidate and think "Well, he's against Jesus's message but he does have a southern accent and talks about the farm he grew up in. He must be a Christian, I guess."

Sadly, it's been working.

It would be easy, and possibly fun, to create this thread's opposite, but they would both be missing the point. The posters here seem to be saying "Why can't we get Jesus's teachings made into laws, or at least political positions? Jesus would be on my side."

The easiest, and perhaps the most incorrect, answer, of course, is that you wouldn't like His policies. But the main problem with this thread is that Jesus didn't have any political positions, nor did he have any interest in the political system. He was interested in the individual. Government, and it's policies, were irrelevant to him.

Taking care of the poor was the job of the enlightened and loving individual giving freely. There is no moral merit in having money taken from you then given to someone else.

Oh, and as long as I've touched on money, no, Jesus was not opposed to the banking system. He never dealt with the banking system. What he dealt with were people in the temple selling sacrificial animals and cheating the people. It had nothing to do with banks, but rather the profaning of the House of God.

It would be interesting to think on what policies Jesus might have wanted, had He thought them important. He didn't seem terribly upset at Rome's huge armies, and he accepted the existence of slavery. As I've said, the policies of the governmants and the politicians didn''t seem important to Him, but the soul of the individual mattered immensely.

Don't confuse Jesus' commands to individuals with recommendations for governmment policies.

reply to post by charles1952


Charles I give you a star for that. I admit I am a bit confused on the issue because it seems I have heard a totally different story but I am not in any way an expert on his teachings. I believe there is a difference in what he actually said and what has been taught to others of what he said I am often confused on the matter because in my youth the religious leaders would have denounced the politicians claiming they represent Jesus’s words but that changed in the 80s. I honestly can’t say for certain. There are passages that I have read where Jesus said the Old Testament is still to be adhered to very clearly yet most Christian leaders are in disagreement of this.

I know there are a great many good people who are also leaders and Christians but there are also many who are simply in leadership positions which I do not consider good people who are also Christians. It may be that some are Christian only in name because there are still laws on the books stating Atheists cannot hold office but they certainly use the bible quite a bit to push their agenda. The entire ordeal gives me a headache at times.

Anyway you gave me something to ponder once my head stops hurting maybe I will research this a bit.

reply to post by charles1952

Oh, and as long as I've touched on money, no, Jesus was not opposed to the banking system. He never dealt with the banking system.

Could I point out something here...

34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.

35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again;

If he made this statement, he was against usury.... which means Jesus knew of the banking system...

Usury will be the downfall of our species...

And Jesus was against it...

When Ryan was running for VP Preists came out and said his healthcare plan was in no way Christian. The Democrates are in no way innocent but they are not as bad as the Republicans.

reply to post by ldyserenity


I always found it odd too, considering they have so many christian right who are against laws and programs that help the poor, elderly, and the average struggling taxpayer. If you want to promote your party as having morals and following the life of Jesus, at least support programs that help people. Jesus always helped the poor, the last thing he did was promote and teach the benefits of being rich.

Originally posted by Cuervo
reply to post by ldyserenity

 

You pretty much nailed it here. This has been my biggest issue with republican Christians. The Jesus of the Christian bible would not have taken kindly to the GOP policies or notions we have today. In fact, the Republican party leans heavily on Ayn Rand who, unknowingly, followed contemporary Satanic doctrine almost to the letter.

It's part of a brilliant that I can't quite wrap my head around. I mean, why would the party who is against taxes and charity be the same to exemplify all of the hate-based rules in the bible? They take the hate but ignore the love. Having the republican politicians pretend to be Christian is how they keep voters divided.

It's like the Christian voters look at the typical GOP candidate and think "Well, he's against Jesus's message but he does have a southern accent and talks about the farm he grew up in. He must be a Christian, I guess."

Sadly, it's been working.

You are correct. Ayn Rand's writings and Anton Levey's "Satanic Bible" share most, if not all, of their talking points. Good catch.

reply to post by Akragon

Dear Akragon,

I couldn't be more pleased than to have a chance to (speak?) with you again. Perhaps I shouldn't have thrown in the bit about banking since it seems to have diverted attention from my main points. But, since I did, I suppose I should try to defend, or at least explain, it.

34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.

35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again;

I would have interpreted that a little differently. It seems he's talking about one individual lending to another. "Bob, can you lend me $5 'til Thursday? Sure, Bill, pay it back when (and if) you can."

Jesus was against interest? Remember the parable of the bags of gold in Matthew 25?

26 “His master replied, ‘You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? 27 Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.

With respect,
Charles1952

reply to post by charles1952

Dear Akragon,

I couldn't be more pleased than to have a chance to (speak?) with you again. Perhaps I shouldn't have thrown in the bit about banking since it seems to have diverted attention from my main points. But, since I did, I suppose I should try to defend, or at least explain, it.

Always a pleasure my friend, but there is no need to defend anything... I just wanted to clarify

I would have interpreted that a little differently. It seems he's talking about one individual lending to another. "Bob, can you lend me $5 'til Thursday? Sure, Bill, pay it back when (and if) you can."

Wouldn't that be "hoping for something back" ?

and lend, hoping for nothing again

Jesus was against interest? Remember the parable of the bags of gold in Matthew 25?

Tis a parable my friend, there is a deeper meaning...

Unprofitable servant

The servant should have made use of what was given to him, like the other servants... Instead he hid what was given... because of his fear... only to return to his master with what he was given.

the lesson is to make use of what God gives us... so we don't return to him empty handed...

The parable is not about interest... but that is why he always said "those who have ears... Hear"

reply to post by DestroyDestroyDestroy


Identify oneself as a Christian and once elected, denounce the bible on live television.

That is, if you have a death wish.

* I agree with the majority of Ron Paul's ideals of liberty.
* I believe in the free market and sound money (not fiat money).
* I believe in a free market with less taxes and less regulations.
* I believe in small Government with a balanced budget.
* I believe in less federal power and increased state power.
* I believe the Constitution dictates the absolute highest law in the US.
* I believe in individual freedom and hate the war on drugs.
* I believe in the right to free speech and equal rights for all.
* I believe all men are innocent until proven guilty beyond doubt.

* I believe women have a right to choose abortion if they want.
* I believe gay people should have the right to marry if they wish.
* I believe in some implementations of social healthcare systems.
* I believe in some implementations of social welfare systems.
* I believe in a social type of cheap or free education for all.
* I believe the working class are the bread and butter of any economy.
* I believe decreased taxes for the rich and trickle down economics is rubbish.
* I care about the environment and place it above the economy.
* I believe in decreased military spending and less policing of the world.

I want someone here to tell me whether I am a republican or a democrat... is this topic really so black and white that people like the OP can so easily classify all republicans as bank-loving satanists? Honestly, such an outlook is so pathetically closed minded... not to mention the typical Republican outlook on money is one which supports sound money and not the corrupt fiat system we have now. Read the Republican oath for christ sakes. The main problem with American politics today is that people only get two choices... you pick one of the two and you bag on the one you didn't choose. It's ridiculous.

Try being a bit less predictable than that you mindless robots. It's a huge charade designed to conceal the truth from you... the truth that in reality both parties want the same thing... apart from a few true politicians most of the puppets in congress and office want a bigger federal government, they want increased military spending, they want a corrupt monetary system, they want more laws and regulations to control every aspect of our lives, they want the rich to get richer, they want to trample over the constitution, they want to stifle individual freedom and they couldn't care less about really balancing the budget.

And now to finish up my rant here's two pictures which the OP should really pay attention to:

reply to post by Akragon

Dear Akragon,

Our relationship (Note to outsiders, it's nothing dirty, grow up) is most unusual and rewarding for me. I see your post and think "Now we've got something to fight about." Then we talk for a while and we part with only the slightest difference in our opinions. You're an amazing individual. Well, back to work.

Concerning lending, I agree with you, my example was unclear. If an individual comes to me asking for money, and I have some not set aside for houehold requirements, he gets it. Examples; Salvation Army kettles, homeless, students working for summer trips. None of that money is ever coming back and I don't care that it isn't. Now is that lending, or alms-giving?

However we label it, can we agree that Jesus wants us to be generous with our material possessions and not expect any worldly reward for it?

On the question of interest, I don't have much interest. ( Sometimes I crack myself up.) Excuse me, I'm better now.

I agree completely that you have identified it as a parable and correctly discerned it's message. It's a little like hiding your light under a bushel. (Well, not exactly, but similar.)

the lesson is to make use of what God gives us...

Absolutely right. Now, what happens if God gave me $10,000 with out any specific directions on how to use it? I would think that investing it, in a bank or elsewhere, until I had a clear purpose for it would be perfectly acceptable to Him.

Thanks again for catching me in sloppiness. You're one of the few posters I can rely on to get me to clean up my thinking. (I still remember that thread from a hundred years ago where we discussed morals and atheism. You were brilliant.)

With respect,
Charles1952