Protestant disinfo debunked-Catholics are also Christians

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew
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It does not say that in the Septuagint, which Jesus quoted from.

Daniel9:26 And after the sixty-two weeks, the anointed one shall be destroyed, and there is no judgment in him: and he shall destroy the city and the sanctuary with the prince that is coming: they shall be cut off with a flood, and to the end of the war which is rapidly completed he shall appoint the city to desolations.

I don't see how it matters what version Christ quoted from, it matters what Daniel wrote in the original. The LXX is a Greek translation of the Hebrew original.

The Septuagint is the most correct that we have. There are no Hebrew originals.

Have you never heard of the Dead Sea Scrolls before? Daniel didn't speak Greek. Daniel was written in Hebrew and Aramaic.

The Dead Sea Scrolls are written in Aramaic, Hebrew, and Greek and are from the time of Babylonian captivity. A time when The Jews were into idolatry. Daniel probably had access to these original Hebrew manuscripts that you speak of, but none have been found for us to examine today. Again, the Septuagint is the most credible Old Testament that we have today. Jesus and the apostles found the Septuagint acceptable to use... Why shouldn't we?

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Use it, go ahead. It still doesn't change the fact that the Arab Turks and Syrians destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD and the titles for the Antichrist are Arab titles, not Jewish, and doesn't change any nation listed in Joel chapter 2. All of which are Muslim nations.

The Antichrist isn't a Jew, it's going to be a Muslim from the eastern leg of the old Roman Empire.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by truejew

 

Use it, go ahead. It still doesn't change the fact that the Arab Turks and Syrians destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD and the titles for the Antichrist are Arab titles, not Jewish, and doesn't change any nation listed in Joel chapter 2. All of which are Muslim nations.

The Antichrist isn't a Jew, it's going to be a Muslim from the eastern leg of the old Roman Empire.

Can you post these Arab titles? I do not see any nation listed in Joel 2.

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I'm sorry, it's been sometime since I was in Joel. Chapter 3, not 2.

And I already posted 4 of the 33 titles. "King of Babylon", "King of Tyre", "Prince of Persia", "The Assyrian". Babylon is Iraq, Tyre is Lebanon, Persia is Iran, and Assyria is Syria.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by truejew

 

I'm sorry, it's been sometime since I was in Joel. Chapter 3, not 2.

And I already posted 4 of the 33 titles. "King of Babylon", "King of Tyre", "Prince of Persia", "The Assyrian". Babylon is Iraq, Tyre is Lebanon, Persia is Iran, and Assyria is Syria.

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I'm still not seeing it. Where is Scripture for these titles belonging to the Antichrist? Where does it say that the Antichrist will be Arab?

reply to post by truejew


The people who destroyed the temple and the city in 70 AD were Arabs, Turks and Syrian legions to be specific. Daniel 9:26 said the people of the prince that is to come would destroy the temple and the city. And it also says the AC will come from the revived Roman Empire. The Eastern leg of the Roman Empire outlived the Western leg by. 1,000 years.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by truejew

 

The people who destroyed the temple and the city in 70 AD were Arabs, Turks and Syrian legions to be specific. Daniel 9:26 said the people of the prince that is to come would destroy the temple and the city. And it also says the AC will come from the revived Roman Empire. The Eastern leg of the Roman Empire outlived the Western leg by. 1,000 years.

You are going to have to provide Scripture to convince me.

The Daniel 9:26 that Jesus read from does not say "people of the prince", just "prince"

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Well that doesn't make any sense. No prince destroyed the temple in 70AD. So the Hebrew rendering must be understood, not the Greek translation. Daniel wasn't a false prophet. The Arab Romans destroyed the city and temple.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by truejew

 

Well that doesn't make any sense. No prince destroyed the temple in 70AD. So the Hebrew rendering must be understood, not the Greek translation. Daniel wasn't a false prophet. The Arab Romans destroyed the city and temple.

Are you still trying to find the Scriptures?

Originally posted by colbe

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

It does not say that in the Septuagint, which Jesus quoted from.

Daniel9:26 And after the sixty-two weeks, the anointed one shall be destroyed, and there is no judgment in him: and he shall destroy the city and the sanctuary with the prince that is coming: they shall be cut off with a flood, and to the end of the war which is rapidly completed he shall appoint the city to desolations.

I don't see how it matters what version Christ quoted from, it matters what Daniel wrote in the original. The LXX is a Greek translation of the Hebrew original.

The Septuagint is the most correct that we have. There are no Hebrew originals.

Have you never heard of the Dead Sea Scrolls before? Daniel didn't speak Greek. Daniel was written in Hebrew and Aramaic.

If you know about the Dead Sea Scrolls, how can anyone remain Protestant or belong to a non-Trinitarian sect?

St. Jerome considered the seven Deutero-Canonical books to be NOT inspired by God, but he was commissioned by Pope Damasus to translate all 73 books into Latin. Pope Damasus considered the 7 DC books to be inspired by God. Later in 1946, after the finding of the dead-sea scrolls, it was discovered that these 7 DC books were used by the Jews in Alexandria, even in their services. This verifies that Pope Damasus was correct.

It is interesting to note that the Palestinian Jews did NOT accept the 7 DC books for their version of Holy Scriptures and neither did they accept any of the New Testament. Unfortunately, the Protestants base their Bible on this version which comes from a people who did not accept Jesus Christ as the Messiah.

I am not offended TJ and NTT did not reply to the historical facts above. The above shows in our time of history, the Dead Sea Scrolls prove Pope Damasus was correct on his choices for the Canon. Pope Damasus' God given authority.

And, the heresy of "private judgment" of Scripture. There is NO temple to be rebuilt or animal sacrifice to be offered again. This is the New Covenant! Our Lord is offered as the eternal "sacrifice" to the Father in an unbloody manner every day, every hour in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

You can understand this guys. You recognize, accept Jesus is the New Covenant Passover Lamb. What did they do with the Passover Lamb after they sacrificed it in the Old Covenant? They consumed it.

Oh how much greater in the New Covenant, you consume God n the most Holy Eucharist.

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Well that doesn't make any sense. No prince destroyed the temple in 70AD. So the Hebrew rendering must be understood, not the Greek translation. Daniel wasn't a false prophet. The Arab Romans destroyed the city and temple.

Are you still trying to find the Scriptures?

Scriptures for what specifically?

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I never saw that post, so sorry. If you like the extra books read them. I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by colbe

 

I never saw that post, so sorry. If you like the extra books read them. I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

I cannot figure out why TJ and you sometimes bring up the Early Church Fathers but close your eyes and
ears to the fact that ALL of them believed in the Jesus' presence in the Eucharist?

Thanks for your response.

Hey....

It is a lie to call those 7 books Luther threw out in 1517 "extra books." They were part of the Canon from the
beginning, in 382 A.D.

Coincidence, no, there are 66 books in the Protestant Bible and those disciples who disbelieved and walked away after Jesus said you must eat My body and drink My blood, in the KJV, this is John 6:66. It is 6:67 in the original Bible. Catholics believe. No coincidence, God is trying to get your attention.

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List of the references the New Testament makes to the Deuterocanonical books of the Old Testament.

Daniel, Baruch, Tobit, Judith, Sirach, Wisdom, 1 Maccabees, 2 Maccabees

References in New Testament Order
Matthew
Matthew 4:4 Wisdom 16:26
Matthew 4:15 1 Maccabees 5:15
Matthew 5:18 Baruch 4:1
Matthew 5:28 Sirach 9:8
Matthew 5:2ss Sirach 25:7-12
Matthew 5:4 Sirach 48:24
Matthew 6:7 Sirach 7:14
Matthew 6:9 Sirach 23:1, 4
Matthew 6:10 1 Maccabees 3:60
Matthew 6:12 Sirach 28:2
Matthew 6:13 Sirach 33:1
Matthew 6:20 Sirach 29:10s
Matthew 6:23 Sirach 14:10
Matthew 6:33 Wisdom 7:11
Matthew 7:12 Tobit 4:15
Matthew 7:12 Sirach 31:15
Matthew 7:16 Sirach 27:6
Matthew 8:11 Baruch 4:37
Matthew 8:21 Tobit 4:3
Matthew 9:36 Judith 11:19
Matthew 9:38 1 Maccabees 12:17
Matthew 10:16 Sirach 13:17
Matthew 11:14 Sirach 48:10
Matthew 11:22 Judith 16:17
Matthew 11:25 Tobit 7:17
Matthew 11:25 Sirach 51:1
Matthew 11:28 Sirach 24:19
Matthew 11:28 Sirach 51:23
Matthew 11:29 Sirach 6:24s
Matthew 11:29 Sirach 6:28s
Matthew 11:29 Sirach 51:26s
Matthew 12:4 2 Maccabees 10:3
Matthew 12:5 Sirach 40:15
Matthew 13:44 Sirach 20:30s
Matthew 16:18 Wisdom 16:13
Matthew 16:22 1 Maccabees 2:21
Matthew 16:27 Sirach 35:22
Matthew 17:11 Sirach 48:10
Matthew 18:10 Tobit 12:15
Matthew 20:2 Tobit 5:15
Matthew 22:13 Wisdom 17:2
Matthew 23:38 Tobit 14:4
Matthew 24:15 1 Maccabees 1:54
Matthew 24:15 2 Maccabees 8:17
Matthew 24:16 1 Maccabees 2:28
Matthew 25:35 Tobit 4:17
Matthew 25:36 Sirach 7:32-35
Matthew 26:38 Sirach 37:2
Matthew 27:24 Daniel 13:46
Matthew 27:43 Wisdom 2:13
Matthew 27:43 Wisdom 2:18-20


Mark
Mark 1:15 Tobit 14:5
Mark 4:5 Sirach 40:15
Mark 4:11 Wisdom 2:22
Mark 5:34 Judith 8:35
Mark 6:49 Wisdom 17:15
Mark 8:37 Sirach 26:14
Mark 9:31 Sirach 2:18
Mark 9:48 Judith 16:17
Mark 10:18 Sirach 4:1
Mark 14:34 Sirach 37:2
Mark 15:29 Wisdom 2:17s

Luke
Luke 1:17 Sirach 48:10
Luke 1:19 Tobit 12:15
Luke 1:42 Judith 13:18
Luke 1:52 Sirach 10:14
Luke 2:29 Tobit 11:9
Luke 2:37 Judith 8:6
Luke 6:35 Wisdom 15:1
Luke 7:22 Sirach 48:5
Luke 9:8 Sirach 48:10
Luke 10:17 Tobit 7:17
Luke 10:19 Sirach 11:19
Luke 10:21 Sirach 51:1
Luke 12:19 Tobit 7:10
Luke 12:20 Wisdom 15:8
Luke 13:25 Tobit 14:4
Luke 13:27 1 Maccabees 3:6
Luke 13:29 Baruch 4:37
Luke 14:13 Tobit 2:2
Luke 15:12 1 Maccabees 10:29 [30]
Luke 15:12 Tobit 3:17
Luke 18:7 Sirach 35:22
Luke 19:44 Wisdom 3:7
Luke 21:24 Tobit 14:5
Luke 21:24 Sirach 28:18
Luke 21:25 Wisdom 5:22
Luke 24:4 2 Maccabees 3:26
Luke 24:31 2 Maccabees 3:34
Luke 24:50 Sirach 50:20s
Luke 24:53 Sirach 50:22

John
John 1:3 Wisdom 9:1
John 3:8 Sirach 16:21
John 3:12 Wisdom 9:16
John 3:12 Wisdom 18:15s
John 3:13 Baruch 3:29
John 3:28 1 Maccabees 9:39
John 3:32 Tobit 4:6
John 4:9 Sirach 50:25s
John 4:48 Wisdom 8:8
John 5:18 Wisdom 2:16
John 6:35 Sirach 24:21
John 7:38 Sirach 24:40, 43[30s]
John 8:44 Wisdom 2:24
John 8:53 Sirach 44:19
John 10:20 Wisdom 5:4
John 10:22 1 Maccabees 4:59
John 14:15 Wisdom 6:18
John 15:9 Wisdom 3:9
John 17:3 Wisdom 15:3
John 20:22 Wisdom 15:11


Acts
Acts 1:10 2 Maccabees 3:26
Acts 1:18 Wisdom 4:19
Acts 2:4 Sirach 48:12
Acts 2:11 Sirach 36:7
Acts 2:39 Sirach 24:32
Acts 4:24 Judith 9:12
Acts 5:2 2 Maccabees 4:32
Acts 5:12 1 Maccabees 12:6
Acts 5:21 2 Maccabees 1:10
Acts 5:39 2 Maccabees 7:19
Acts 9:1-29 2 Maccabees 3:24-40
Acts 9:2 1 Maccabees 15:21
Acts 9:7 Wisdom 18:1
Acts 10:2 Tobit 12:8
Acts 10:22 1Maccabees 10:25
Acts 10:22 1 Maccabees 11:30, 33 etc.
Acts 10:26 Wisdom 7:1
Acts 10:30 2 Maccabees 11:8
Acts 10:34 Sirach 35:12s
Acts 10:36 Wisdom 6:7
Acts 10:36 Wisdom 8:3 etc.
Acts 11:18 Wisdom 12:19
Acts 12:5 Judith 4:9
Acts 12:10 Sirach 19:26
Acts 12:23 Judith 16:17...

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reply to post by colbe


Okay, sorry for calling them extra books. Just re-read what I said earlier and ignore the word "extra", it's been to long to edit it.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by truejew

 

Well that doesn't make any sense. No prince destroyed the temple in 70AD. So the Hebrew rendering must be understood, not the Greek translation. Daniel wasn't a false prophet. The Arab Romans destroyed the city and temple.

Are you still trying to find the Scriptures?

Scriptures for what specifically?

For your claims of the Antichrist being Arab, having Arab titles, being from the revived Roman Empire,...

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by colbe

 

Okay, sorry for calling them extra books. Just re-read what I said earlier and ignore the word "extra", it's been to long to edit it.

You're are so nice, I can never get upset with you. I just want you to become Roman Catholic. When the Great
Warning happens, you hear it in Protestant prophecy called the "awakening", you will smile and say, that crazy
Colbe kept on at ATS because what she shared is true and the Remnant is Roman Catholic.

Have a quiet and prayerful weekend NTT,


colbe

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by truejew

 

Well that doesn't make any sense. No prince destroyed the temple in 70AD. So the Hebrew rendering must be understood, not the Greek translation. Daniel wasn't a false prophet. The Arab Romans destroyed the city and temple.

Yes it makes sense. It was Jesus who destroyed the temple through Titus and his army. The nationality of Titus' army has no importance. The Septuagint does not make Daniel a false prophet. If it did, Jesus would not have referred to it.

Originally posted by colbe

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by colbe

 

Okay, sorry for calling them extra books. Just re-read what I said earlier and ignore the word "extra", it's been to long to edit it.

You're are so nice, I can never get upset with you. I just want you to become Roman Catholic. When the Great
Warning happens, you hear it in Protestant prophecy called the "awakening", you will smile and say, that crazy
Colbe kept on at ATS because what she shared is true and the Remnant is Roman Catholic.

Have a quiet and prayerful weekend NTT,


colbe

But I don't have to be Catholic to be saved. I'm just concerned with Christ's death and resurrection for my sins and I'm sharing that with others. You can work out your faith however it best suits you, but I don't have any part of denominationalism.

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by truejew

 

Well that doesn't make any sense. No prince destroyed the temple in 70AD. So the Hebrew rendering must be understood, not the Greek translation. Daniel wasn't a false prophet. The Arab Romans destroyed the city and temple.

Yes it makes sense. It was Jesus who destroyed the temple through Titus and his army. The nationality of Titus' army has no importance. The Septuagint does not make Daniel a false prophet. If it did, Jesus would not have referred to it.

I never said he WAS a false prophet, clearly he was not. And I never said the nationality mattered, it's the race of the people. Gabriel gave Daniel specific clues so that we would know. Just because something was left out in translation doesn't mean it's not important, it means it was left out of translation. The Hebrew for people in Daniel 9:26 is 'am.

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by truejew

 

Well that doesn't make any sense. No prince destroyed the temple in 70AD. So the Hebrew rendering must be understood, not the Greek translation. Daniel wasn't a false prophet. The Arab Romans destroyed the city and temple.

Are you still trying to find the Scriptures?

Scriptures for what specifically?

For your claims of the Antichrist being Arab, having Arab titles, being from the revived Roman Empire,...

Its hard to do all those copy/pastes with a cell phone. So Google "33 titles of the man of sin", notice the Arab/Muslim theme of some of them, and as far as the Roman Empire being revived that is Daniel chapter 2 and 7.