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posted on Apr, 24 2013 @ 02:12 PM
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The world is heading towards those laws being changed.

What's your evidence of that? The world is more secular than ever, and moving in that direction at an increasing pace.

The delusion, for example, that Seventh Day Adventists hold that the "Mark of the Beast" is worldwide forced Sunday worship is completely laughable now. Maybe it looked like a threat in the 1920, but it sure isn't now.

So, if you're thinking that your little cult is going to come to the attention of anyone who cares, and be persecuted, that's never going to happen -- both for the reason that your theology is of no consequence to anyone, and because all churches are declining in authority.




posted on Apr, 24 2013 @ 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by adjensen
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So, if you're thinking that your little cult is going to come to the attention of anyone who cares, and be persecuted, that's never going to happen -- both for the reason that your theology is of no consequence to anyone, and because all churches are declining in authority.


Look at the stirring just one of us causes by posting truth on an internet forum. Just wait for the 144,000.



posted on Apr, 24 2013 @ 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen
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So, if you're thinking that your little cult is going to come to the attention of anyone who cares, and be persecuted, that's never going to happen -- both for the reason that your theology is of no consequence to anyone, and because all churches are declining in authority.


Look at the stirring just one of us causes by posting truth on an internet forum. Just wait for the 144,000.

Yes, because you've converted so many people.

Anyone who reads your posts on here is going to see how irrational your claims really are when put to the test, and anyone who reads Reckart is going to see little more than an angry old man who rants against anyone who disagrees with him. That stuff never goes away, and is hardly likely to attract anybody.

144,000 virgins spouting this nonsense? Pure fantasy.



posted on Apr, 24 2013 @ 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by Snsoc

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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But in context, Paul declares himself to be the chief of sinners not because he lived in unrepentant or wilful sin at the time of the writing of that epistle, but because he had before conversion persecuted the church.



But that sin was forgiven. it's under the Blood, it's cast into the sea of forgetfulness. So why does Paul still speak of this sin in the present tense?

He also refers to his struggle with sin in the present tense in other places. (Romans 7:14-25)


We because his flesh wars with his spirit just like all of us. My point was directed specifically at his comment that he saw himself as the "chief of sinners", which he chose to label himself not for any present sin of lifestyle he had, but because of what he had done before conversion.

He says this himself, that it's because he persecuted the church.



posted on Apr, 24 2013 @ 07:10 PM
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Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Calling an apostate an apostate isn't persecution. You can't be serious, we're talking about a hypothetical. There is no way to persecute hypothetical people for one thing, and for two if you polled the people who really have been persecuted, (martyrs), they would laugh hysterically at the idea that calling someone an apostate who is sitting in a particular church but rejecting that church is "persecution".


History has shown that when Catholics/Protestants use words such as "apostate", "heretic", ... That the hate that causes persecution is backing it. All that is holding it back right now is there are laws against murdering "apostates", "heretics"... The world is heading towards those laws being changed.


Are you crazy? Go check out persecution.org.

You can learn about all the REAL persecution happening to Christians all around the world every day! Some 150,000/year are murdered.

That's real persecution, not name-calling. What a joke.



posted on Apr, 24 2013 @ 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen
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So, if you're thinking that your little cult is going to come to the attention of anyone who cares, and be persecuted, that's never going to happen -- both for the reason that your theology is of no consequence to anyone, and because all churches are declining in authority.


Look at the stirring just one of us causes by posting truth on an internet forum. Just wait for the 144,000.


Huh? The 144,000 are Jews in Israel. 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes.




posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 01:01 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen
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So, if you're thinking that your little cult is going to come to the attention of anyone who cares, and be persecuted, that's never going to happen -- both for the reason that your theology is of no consequence to anyone, and because all churches are declining in authority.


Look at the stirring just one of us causes by posting truth on an internet forum. Just wait for the 144,000.


Huh? The 144,000 are Jews in Israel. 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes.



They are Jewish Christians.



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 01:07 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Calling an apostate an apostate isn't persecution. You can't be serious, we're talking about a hypothetical. There is no way to persecute hypothetical people for one thing, and for two if you polled the people who really have been persecuted, (martyrs), they would laugh hysterically at the idea that calling someone an apostate who is sitting in a particular church but rejecting that church is "persecution".


History has shown that when Catholics/Protestants use words such as "apostate", "heretic", ... That the hate that causes persecution is backing it. All that is holding it back right now is there are laws against murdering "apostates", "heretics"... The world is heading towards those laws being changed.


Are you crazy? Go check out persecution.org.

You can learn about all the REAL persecution happening to Christians all around the world every day! Some 150,000/year are murdered.

That's real persecution, not name-calling. What a joke.


John Calvin did not just "name call" at michael servetus.



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 04:37 AM
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I agree that your point on these verses is valid. I had forgotten about the Jews casting out demons. There is also the man in Luke 9:49-50 who drove out demons in Christ's name, but was not a follower of Christ.



What is your interpretation of Hebrews 6:4-9 and 10:26-31 in regards to loss of salvation?



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 06:28 AM
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Originally posted by Snsoc
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I agree that your point on these verses is valid. I had forgotten about the Jews casting out demons. There is also the man in Luke 9:49-50 who drove out demons in Christ's name, but was not a follower of Christ.



What is your interpretation of Hebrews 6:4-9 and 10:26-31 in regards to loss of salvation?


The context of the Hebrew Christian epistles, especially Hebrews itself is that the temple was still standing in Jerusalem at the time of it's writing and the Jews were under intense persecution from the Jewish authorities. There was a strong temptation to stick with Judaism to avoid persecution and either be a Christian in secret or convert to Christ on a person's deathbed. That's the context of the letter.

It's about pressing on to spiritual maturity. And the author is making the point that there is no longer any sacrifice a cspted by God for sin, Christ is both the perfect and final sacrifice.



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 06:28 AM
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posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 06:32 AM
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Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by truejew
 


Calling an apostate an apostate isn't persecution. You can't be serious, we're talking about a hypothetical. There is no way to persecute hypothetical people for one thing, and for two if you polled the people who really have been persecuted, (martyrs), they would laugh hysterically at the idea that calling someone an apostate who is sitting in a particular church but rejecting that church is "persecution".


History has shown that when Catholics/Protestants use words such as "apostate", "heretic", ... That the hate that causes persecution is backing it. All that is holding it back right now is there are laws against murdering "apostates", "heretics"... The world is heading towards those laws being changed.


Are you crazy? Go check out persecution.org.

You can learn about all the REAL persecution happening to Christians all around the world every day! Some 150,000/year are murdered.

That's real persecution, not name-calling. What a joke.


John Calvin did not just "name call" at michael servetus.


What would that have to do with today?



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 06:34 AM
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Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen
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So, if you're thinking that your little cult is going to come to the attention of anyone who cares, and be persecuted, that's never going to happen -- both for the reason that your theology is of no consequence to anyone, and because all churches are declining in authority.


Look at the stirring just one of us causes by posting truth on an internet forum. Just wait for the 144,000.


Huh? The 144,000 are Jews in Israel. 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes.



They are Jewish Christians.


Of course they are, that isn't what I said. I said they are Jews in Israel, 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes.



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 08:22 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by truejew
 


Calling an apostate an apostate isn't persecution. You can't be serious, we're talking about a hypothetical. There is no way to persecute hypothetical people for one thing, and for two if you polled the people who really have been persecuted, (martyrs), they would laugh hysterically at the idea that calling someone an apostate who is sitting in a particular church but rejecting that church is "persecution".


History has shown that when Catholics/Protestants use words such as "apostate", "heretic", ... That the hate that causes persecution is backing it. All that is holding it back right now is there are laws against murdering "apostates", "heretics"... The world is heading towards those laws being changed.


Are you crazy? Go check out persecution.org.

You can learn about all the REAL persecution happening to Christians all around the world every day! Some 150,000/year are murdered.

That's real persecution, not name-calling. What a joke.


John Calvin did not just "name call" at michael servetus.


What would that have to do with today?



I already answered that. The same hate is there. All that is holding it back is the laws.



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 08:24 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen
reply to post by truejew
 


So, if you're thinking that your little cult is going to come to the attention of anyone who cares, and be persecuted, that's never going to happen -- both for the reason that your theology is of no consequence to anyone, and because all churches are declining in authority.


Look at the stirring just one of us causes by posting truth on an internet forum. Just wait for the 144,000.


Huh? The 144,000 are Jews in Israel. 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes.



They are Jewish Christians.


Of course they are, that isn't what I said. I said they are Jews in Israel, 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes.


What you said had nothing to do with what I said.



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 08:52 AM
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You linked "one of us", (yourself), to the coming 144,000.

Unless you are a Jew in Israel and from one of the 12 tribes you have nothing in common with the coming 144,000 except a faith in Christ Jesus as the Messiah and Son of God.



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 08:53 AM
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Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
You can learn about all the REAL persecution happening to Christians all around the world every day! Some 150,000/year are murdered.

That's real persecution, not name-calling. What a joke.


John Calvin did not just "name call" at michael servetus.

Yeah. 150,000 Christians killed in persecutions today, compared to one guy 500 years ago, when they'd burn you at the stake for disagreeing with almost anything, great comparison.


Your fear of persecution is rooted in some misplaced delusion of grandeur -- your theology falls apart on its own, no Christian is ever going to kill you for it.



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 08:55 AM
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I already answered that. The same hate is there. All that is holding it back is the laws.


And my point was that there is nothing holding back persecution of Christians today. 150,000 per year are murdered for their testimony of Christ in this present age. Visit WWW.persecution.org sometime.



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 09:46 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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You linked "one of us", (yourself), to the coming 144,000.

Unless you are a Jew in Israel and from one of the 12 tribes you have nothing in common with the coming 144,000 except a faith in Christ Jesus as the Messiah and Son of God.



You misunderstood me.



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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I already answered that. The same hate is there. All that is holding it back is the laws.


And my point was that there is nothing holding back persecution of Christians today. 150,000 per year are murdered for their testimony of Christ in this present age. Visit WWW.persecution.org sometime.



So you teach the tribulation will be no different than it is today?





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