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NO, not from what i've read, heard or reviewed.
Isn't it more likely that he didn't go for SYG immunity because his legal team know that TM would be entitled to that same standard were he still alive?
evidence that you've seen doesn't necessarily reflect what the lawyers and prosecutors or HOA lawyers know.
The only proof that TM initiated any attack is the not-so reliable evidence given by the man who killed him.
do tell, what right do you think the HOA has to prevent their residents from strolling the streets ?? even lawfully armed ?
The settlement was made because clearly the HA condoned both current and prior actions of Zimmerman by allowing him to continue his operations.
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Originally posted by IvanAstikov
reply to post by buddhasystem
I can get why some people are defending Z's "innocent until proven guilty" status re the illegal killing of TM, but what I don't get is how anyone can defend his behaviour up to the moment he ended contact with the NEN, and try and claim they were the actions of a reasonable man?
...and what I personally don't get is why you lack basic reading skills. I didn't even defend Z. All I did was saying that as a resident of a community, he had the right to take a stroll at night, for any reason, same as I do where I live. It's the US of A, you know. Of course this didn't stop you from trolling.
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Originally posted by IvanAstikov
Almost everything he did that night prior to killing TM could be put in a Neighbourhood Watch "What NOT To Do!" manual
OK, it probably wasn't in the manual, and I'm not defending Z's mistakes. But it was ultimately Trevor Martin, who had a penchant for using violence, who triggered this situation, unless it was fake blood in Z's cranium. Sometimes karma gets you, you know...edit on 9-4-2013 by buddhasystem because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by IvanAstikov
i seriously doubt that unless you're a resident here
I have access to the same information any other interested person has access to.
so, in your infinite wisdom, what facts do think you have that haven't made their way to the central media groups or the public in general ??
Originally posted by Honor93
do you know the amount actually agreed upon ? doubt it.
do you realize that the phone conversation (girlfriend on phone) was misrepresented to authorities ?
are you aware that the girlfriend subsequently lied to avoid participating further ?
are you aware that SYG isn't the defense being presented in this case ?
Originally posted by Honor93
and do you realize that if the 'self-defense' argument prevails then the HOA wouldn't be held to any liability, financial or otherwise, however, they may have chose to settle merely to avoid the bad press and pending threats of violence between now and then ?
Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by IvanAstikov
regarding this incident, it doesn't matter who was 'standing their ground', as that isn't the defense of this case.
do you randomly assault someone just because they are following you ??
Originally posted by Honor93
remember, the girlfriend already lied so her story isn't exactly 'reliable evidence' either.
for all we know, she could have heard TM state his intent to 'confront' Z and that info alone would alleviate the HOA from any responsibility.
Originally posted by Honor93
as far as i'm concerned, that's the risk of foolishly attacking any stranger on the street ... actions have consequences, always have.
Originally posted by Honor93
why do folks like yourself dismiss the opportunity TM had to communicate before getting physical ? apparently, both of them were on their cell phones, communicating with someone else, why was communicating with each other sooooo unreasonable ?
Originally posted by IvanAstikov
The old "I disagree with you, hence, you're a troll" tactic. Wow, how did I not see that coming? If you're not defending him, you aren't exactly objectively criticising his actions, are you?
In fact, you're all for Z and those with similar mindsets, strolling around the neighbourhood and harrassing anyone they deem looks out of place.
so, why should anyone trust her or her false testimony ??
source
prosecutors had to make the embarrassing admission that one of their main witnesses, Trayvon Martin’s girlfriend, told a lie during her testimony.
- snip -
She also previously claimed that after hearing the shooting over Martin’s phone, she was hospitalized for trauma. But prosecutors had to admit the hospitalization wasn’t true—an admission the defense lawyers will surely use to question her credibility on the phone conversation.
When reporters asked the state’s lead prosecutor, Bernie de la Rionda, whether he intended to charge the 19-year-old Miami teen with perjury, he ambiguously said, ”You can all read the law and make your own decision.”
The woman had said she was in the hospital on the day of Martin’s funeral, but ”In fact, she lied,” defense attorney Don West said.
try that on my block and you'll endure a similar fate.
On a dark night, in an area with no other people in sight, if anyone puts themselves within arms reach of me without stating their intentions clearly, a punch is the minimum they are going to get. All the indications are that Z was trying to keep up with TM, not the other way round.
obviously they are or they wouldn't be contemplating charges of perjury
Seems they weren't as confident as you about the lack of integrity of this witness.
Originally posted by IvanAstikov
Karma has a date with George when he gets on the general population wing of jail, if he doesn't take the cowards way out beforehand.
sworn statements (like the one she gave) hold the same weight as being under oath in a courtroom.
Were her lies made in a courtroom? No?
Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by IvanAstikov
try that on my block and you'll endure a similar fate.
On a dark night, in an area with no other people in sight, if anyone puts themselves within arms reach of me without stating their intentions clearly, a punch is the minimum they are going to get. All the indications are that Z was trying to keep up with TM, not the other way round.
Originally posted by Honor93
we talk to each other, first.
Originally posted by Honor93
TM should have tried it.
Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by verylowfrequency
do tell, what right do you think the HOA has to prevent their residents from strolling the streets ?? even lawfully armed ?
The settlement was made because clearly the HA condoned both current and prior actions of Zimmerman by allowing him to continue his operations.
Originally posted by kimish
reply to post by milkyway12
It's really not surprising at all that the parents resorted to suing. After all, they did put a trademark on his name after his death. That right there should've raised some flags as to their character.
Originally posted by jrod
reply to post by IvanAstikov
You are a troll. I'm not going to play. ]