What percentage of us actually wants war?

reply to post by rockymcgilicutty


we agree alot on you last statement

however i dont think instinct and human nature is what drives us to war , sick egotistical people are what drags us to war or who want to bring harm to others or who are greedy and just want to take for themselves. and that is extremely out of proportion of what people want to see and how we experience this life. there is also the fact the a population to be brainwashed with propaganda to support war efforts this also has been going on for god knows how long.

war is an art in on its own with planning, complex strategies , logistics , food , weapons . this isnt like the animal kingdom of survival and gang mentality or proving who is alpha.. when we humans war nothing in nature resembles what we do to each other. animals dont war they survive

as I said we are caring and compassionate as many animals are as well .
I dont mind helping a person in need , but I am not a chump who will sit there to be taken advantage of nor would anyone else mentally or physically .

i look at my 4 month old son his only instinct is to love and feel joy the of interaction with other life forms not to emulate the leaders of hostility in a perverse game of dominating the world . we learn to survive , we only need to touch a fire once to no know to do it again

Originally posted by freedomSlave
war is an art in on its own with planning, complex strategies , logistics , food , weapons . this isnt like the animal kingdom of survival and gang mentality or proving who is alpha.. when we humans war nothing in nature resembles what we do to each other. animals dont war they survive

So you wouldn't classify humans as animals, and you wouldn't classify what humans do as natural?

I would never like to see a war, but to answer your question;

Americans

reply to post by constant_thought


Only the people that manufacture armaments, but don't actually have to use them, I would think...

Oh, and politicians, as part of their " Arsenal " of distraction " techniques ?

Two slightly different quotes.


"Naturally, the common people don’t want war, but after all, it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.”

"Göring: Why, of course, the people don’t want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship."

Hermann Goering speaking at the Nuremberg trials after World War II.

Originally posted by rockymcgilicutty
reply to post by freedomSlave

 

I assume you are being facetious, violence is violence. No need to split hairs

Violence is not war. Getting in a fight with another person cannot be compared with fighting in a war.

reply to post by DestroyDestroyDestroy


Oh great, another person who is going to ignore the content of my post ,because they don't like the truth, and just concentrate on the last sentence.

The point I was making, that you must have missed, is violence is coded into us with instinct. That is why we will always have war.

I don't like that fact either, but there it is.

The only people who want war are governments and those above them, everyone else only wish to live in peace. Sadly some of us believe it is our nature to be violent so they do nothing to stop those who destroy innocent villages, cities etc.... Only If we weren't intentionally born and raised to think humans are destructive animals then this planet would surely be a better place.

How many people do something about it instead of going on some forums and complain about it? Be the change you want to be in the world.

reply to post by constant_thought


I am in my sixties so I don't know if I could answer that question without prejudice because of how my life has been affected by wars. My dad was in WW2, survived the crippling of the USS Franklin but suffered PTSD (undiagnosed) and killed himself when I was 16. My uncle was killed in the Bataan Death March and my grandmother had a stroke because of it and suffered brain damage. My two brothers, my husband all served in Viet Nam era because of the draft and lost two years of their young life for what? It was unfair that there were others who could get out the draft and continue working and go to college. I am all for specialized kill teams to get jerks like that N Korea brat.

reply to post by MOMof3


"I am all for specialized kill teams to get jerks like that N Korea brat."

I am all for specialized kill teams to get jerks like those brats in the Whitehouse.

Is that how it works?

reply to post by rockymcgilicutty

Yes we can make a choice but our instincts will always rule us. In the world you propose >every person would have to make the same choice that you are making

reply to post by midicon

Not for me. I am not for turning on my own country. American citizens need to stop laying all the blame at feet of congress. We vote them in.

I dont want to go to war with any country or nation but if there is a imminent threat to us or our allies. I will have no problem being the first with boots on the ground..I am a American but I will defend the UK, Canada, Germany Australia ect to my death if necessary, just like it was my own country. Doent matter what flag is on your shoulder we are brothers. I will never forget this British soldier that never met came up to me in Kuwait and out of no where wrapped his arms around me and just broke down, literally crying on my shoulder because he just found out his baby died during the delivery. I felt soo bad for him but at the same time I felt honored.

Or even if a country isnt our allies and there is acts of genocide against the innocent by another country or even their own government then I will not hesitate, I will go after the enemy with vengeance. I dont give a f*** what their beliefs are or their religion says or what their god says there is absolutely no reason to intentionally hurt or kill innocent women and children, I will be more then happy to let them meet their god.

Do I want war, hell NO but if it comes to that then I will fight with the best of my ability

reply to post by constant_thought


Herman Goring, Leader of Hitler's Luftwaffe put it well.

"Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America nor, for that matter, in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship. ... [V]oice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country"

--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

Link

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by rockymcgilicutty

 

Yes we can make a choice but our instincts will always rule us. In the world you propose >every person would have to make the same choice that you are making

reply to post by ollncasino


Herman Goring was exactly right. It’s easy for leaders to get the majority of people on board because they are appealing to OUR NATURAL INSTINCTS (as rockymcgilicutty has been pointing out since page 1 I think ).

reply to post by constant_thought


Governmennts and bankers want wars. Not people, War is the same as it has always been. The rich sending the poor to die so they can make money.

Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by constant_thought

 

Governmennts and bankers want wars. Not people, War is the same as it has always been.

It’s deeper than that…obviously…because it’s not the rich who fight the wars in most cases.

We are corralled (for lack of a better term) or mislead into believing in a certain course of action (war). But, make no mistake; it’s not the rich flying pro war bumper stickers on their pickup trucks.

Originally posted by constant_thought
I am curious to know simply because the powers which run our countries seem to be constantly trying to topple each other, but how many of the actual citizens want war? I can't imagine any of us do.

Why are we fighting these wars? It's just one massive farce which divides us even further. Why do "we" do it?
"We" stand there proud for our countries, whilst being the aggressor to other countries- (and this applies to everyone) but this wont get us anywhere. I just don't understand it.

You ask the wrong question.

It's not about "wanting" war. War is horrible, people die.

It's about (in this case, my own, personal) morale and idea of a "better world".

I want:

* despotic regimes, dictators etc.etc.. GONE from this planet
* crazy leaders who brainwash/oppress their populace...GONE from this planet

As someone born and raised in this "western world" of ours I am 100% convinced that we are on the right side, there is no place on this planet for people like Kim Un etc. where liberty does not exist and people get murdered because they are not agreeing with their government.

EVEN THEN, I do not "want" war, but it's usually not us seeking conflicts, but THEM.
It's ALWAYS THEM seeking the conflicts, be it Hitler, Saddam, Kim Jung and all the other bastards this world already saw. And if they want war with us, so be it. The destruction of their regimes, overall, will be for the betterment of this planet. If you disagree, you would allow insane people like Hitler, Kim Un, former communist Europe/Soviet Union etc. free reign...as someone with a morale I cannot support this. Injustice, terror, fanatism etc. sometimes must be fought even if war (sadly!) is sometimes the last option.

PS: As a rule, in war its MOSTLY the innocent who die and rarely the real perpetrators, those in power. They only give orders and let others die for them. Of course, for example, I would be MUCH HAPPIER if we could just put a bunker-buster up certain people's a####s (for example Kim's), but it's not that easy.