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posted on Apr, 7 2013 @ 09:35 PM
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I find this thread amusing, and it speaks strongly of American Privilege.

I've lived in a few countries, and the USA is the only country I've seen that provides free food at public schools. I actually like the idea... but it is a form of socialism.

In Australia, there's usually a canteen or tuck-shop where children can purchase basic foods such as sandwiches sausage rolls or meat pies, but that is seen more as a treat and generally kids bring their lunches from home.

I agree with other posters in this thread, it will be a lasting lesson for these children that there won't always be a handout, and they will understand better that they have to learn independence for themselves.

None of this bleeding heart attitude of "the children are hungry... what about the children?!". If you didn't bring lunch or money, you went hungry... as simple as that.

Cheers
J

PS. I was in a small town in Ipoh, Malaysia last week at a busy town market at 5am (I felt intimidated by the bustling activity, chickens being slaughtered in the road etc.), until I saw a girl in school uniform, no older than 10, buying her breakfast (and most likely her lunch) from one of the busiest stalls in the market... Now that is a girl with no preconceptions about life... unlike soft American kids who believe a free lunch is their right.
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posted on Apr, 8 2013 @ 03:37 AM
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As long as children are forced into the socialist public education, the schools should at least act like a socialist public utility.
Sarcasm aside....
When I was in first grade, I forgot my lunch money one day and the school principal took pity on me and let me have lunch anyway. It was just common sense back then. I remember being so scared I wouldn't get lunch.
Nobody has any common sense these days.

As a general rule, I don't advocate socialism. Nanny Staters want control but then they blow it.
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posted on Apr, 8 2013 @ 03:55 AM
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I've actually read Mussolini's book. With the forward by Churchill and all. Perhaps you need to relook what you wrote. Is it a shock that centralizing authority into a single unit would then use its powers to control the levers of industry?

Again, nobody is arguing for corporatism. But you didn't use that word did you? Just trying to use words you don't understand hoping nobody else does too. You probably haven't read Mussolini's book, have you? Just surfing for wiki qoutes.

So speaking of books, perhaps you should invest some time with a dictionary.
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posted on Apr, 8 2013 @ 04:09 AM
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I don't consider myself a Christian. Doesn't Christianity also preach that being in debt makes a person a slave and to spare the rod is to spoil the child?

The Bible says a lot of things.



posted on Apr, 8 2013 @ 04:15 AM
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Nope. Most people don't get it. So here is Brad Pitt handsomely dropping the F-bomb that explains what America is. Maybe a few need to be realistic about the US or move to Europe or whatever. Crying about some kids not living in some ideal world is rather humorous.




posted on Apr, 8 2013 @ 05:43 AM
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Thats disgusting.

Here in the UK if a child parents havent paid for a school meal or the child forgets his/ her packed lunch the school will give them whatever they want then just charge the parent for that day, thats usually about £2.

I pay £20 per week for my 2 children to have school meals in the winter and they have packed lunches in the summer..

No child should go without food especially in school.



posted on Apr, 9 2013 @ 12:17 AM
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Originally posted by Toots

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
For someone else that asked, a lot of schools do NOT allow 'brown bag" lunches any longer, or arbitrarily decide that the food the parents chose isn't good enough. The schools controlling the food is just another control method. "Do things our way, and eat what we say you will eat, or starve." seems to be the rule these days. We MUST get the government out of the schools.


Recently I read where a teacher had confiscated a little girl's lunch because she deemed it to not be healthy enough, and replaced it with something less nutritious from the cafeteria. FOOD POLICE?? WTH is going on in the schools these days? It's a damn good thing my kids are all grown!


That's one of the cases I read, and I think it might be the same area (not sure, though) that later talked of banning homemade lunches. Mine aren't grown, but we home school. These are MY kids, and they will eat as WE see fit, and actually learn. They all read WAY above level, and actually love books. The oldest girl actually enjoys reading various textbooks.


Originally posted by Toots
Yes, get government the hell out of our lives and schools! For the record, I grew up fairly poor in a large family and never really knew what a cafeteria lunch was until high school, when I got 50-cents to buy soup and a sandwich. Prior to that (junior high), we brown bagged it with nothing more than a soggy pb&j or baloney sandwich, with a nickel to buy a carton of milk... no chips, cookies, etc. Once a month I got 10-cents to buy an ice cream sandwich or creamcicle (anyone remember those?) on Friday, the only day ice cream was served.


I remember those! I remember we took actual money to school, and paid for food, or took a lunchbox, too. Of course, when I was in HS, the lunch was around a dollar. The prices now (all food, not just there) are insane! Between the food and gas, we are way worse off than we were, oh, a few years ago? Gee, what was it that changed....?



Now, for the hardcore bleeding hearts, here's a real case of inhumanity (cough, cough).....


Inmates’ relatives and legal advocates in Texas said the elimination of milk in cartons and weekend lunches was an unnecessarily harsh cutback that had a negative effect on prison life. In August, 19 inmates at the Hutchins State Jail near Dallas, one of the 36 prisons that reduced weekend meals, signed a petition and sent it to the Texas affiliate of the American Civil Liberties Union, calling the food cutbacks a violation of the federal Constitution.


Source for quotes, with more to read HERE

Yeah, feed prisoners, while honest people go hungry, because someone is deliberately inflating prices (just like he said he would). I like Sheriff Joe's method; Let them eat a brown bag lunch, and deal! Even better, make them WORK for the food. Not work just to run a prison, but in some way to benefit people.



posted on Apr, 9 2013 @ 02:10 AM
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"Yeah, feed prisoners, while honest people go hungry, because someone is deliberately inflating prices (just like he said he would). I like Sheriff Joe's method; Let them eat a brown bag lunch, and deal! Even better, make them WORK for the food. Not work just to run a prison, but in some way to benefit people."

EarthEvolve responds:

"Sheriff Joe" is illegitimate. He took an Oath to the Constitution and violated it. He has lost the right to be called Sheriff. I am not talking about illegal aliens. I am talking about the stunts he has pulled on Americans.



posted on Apr, 9 2013 @ 01:22 PM
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You're missing the obvious and that is that each country is different. You can't really compare the US to France or the UK and say that the issues, interests, and more are the same. Part of the reason why the school lunch program exists in the US is because research found that children who had better diets were more able to pay attention during classes and learn. Whether or not this research is true or not, that's the foundation argument for the school lunch program.


In recognition of the demonstrated relationship between food and good nutrition and the capacity of children to develop and learn, based on the years of cumulative successful experience under the national school lunch program with its significant contributions in the field of applied nutrition research, it is hereby declared to be the policy of Congress that these efforts shall be extended, expanded, and strengthened...

Child Nutrition Act of 1966 www.fns.usda.gov...

So basically, the US took in research tying improved test scores and learning ability with good nutrition and chose to assure that students had one good meal a day. The free lunch program was built to basically assure that all children had access to "nutritional" food to avoid a potential disadvantage. The inclusion of breakfast would be tied with research regarding to even more improved educational ability for children who eat a good breakfast (and it's the same reason why a lot of major brand cereals are super stuffed with vitamins and minerals).

Each country has its own interests and the formation of its government and legislation is in response to its own research and situations. This is the basis for the US choosing to have the lunch program. Other countries may see it differently.



posted on Apr, 9 2013 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by WhiteAlice
reply to post by puzzlesphere
 
Part of the reason why the school lunch program exists in the US is because research found that children who had better diets were more able to pay attention during classes and learn. Whether or not this research is true or not, that's the foundation argument for the school lunch program.
Wasn't it the Reagan administration that decided Ketchup was a vegetable?



posted on Apr, 9 2013 @ 07:07 PM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by WhiteAlice
reply to post by puzzlesphere
 
Part of the reason why the school lunch program exists in the US is because research found that children who had better diets were more able to pay attention during classes and learn. Whether or not this research is true or not, that's the foundation argument for the school lunch program.
Wasn't it the Reagan administration that decided Ketchup was a vegetable?


We're pretty smart people. I'm sure we could find a political connection between him and Heinz.
I find it sadly entertaining when Congress dictates that sort of thing (like the pizza thing, too). Some of it is so darn questionable. I had lunch at my youngest's school and was appalled to see that the cafeteria was allowing kids to just eat french fries for lunch. My kid was one of the few that actually hit up the salad bar.



posted on Apr, 9 2013 @ 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by SeenMyShare
reply to post by ChaoticOrder
 

I have to disagree. When the country made school mandatory and took kids out of the home where meals were more economical to prepare than boxed lunches (which by the way a lot of schools forbid anymore) they became responsible for making sure no kid went hungry. That's my opinion. Also, those schools which forbid boxed lunches should feed those kids for free once they took the lower cost alternative away from lower income families!

Edit to add a link: Chicago Public School Bans Home-Packed Lunch
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well it wasn't any different than what it was before then, farming or working in an industrial factory or being an apprentice.
school replaced most of those, and we sure are glad for it right? no more losing limbs in industrial machinery.



posted on Apr, 9 2013 @ 09:30 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
As long as children are forced into the socialist public education, the schools should at least act like a socialist public utility.
Sarcasm aside....
When I was in first grade, I forgot my lunch money one day and the school principal took pity on me and let me have lunch anyway. It was just common sense back then. I remember being so scared I wouldn't get lunch.
Nobody has any common sense these days.

As a general rule, I don't advocate socialism. Nanny Staters want control but then they blow it.
edit on 8-4-2013 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)


nothing wrong with socialism, if it is balanced out by something else.
i have a feeling that like many people you don't really know what socialism is, judging from the "nanny staters" comment.



posted on Apr, 11 2013 @ 08:29 AM
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I understand,my sister died waitng months for cancer treatment was denied disability and worked until she collapsed and fell into a coma and died 2 weeks later. My mother should not have had to bury her child.I hope things go quicker for you. Hernias are extremely painfull (so I am told never had one).I myself have lung dicease from my job and I am waiting to but I look forward to nothing .I wonder how much I made after 36 years and never used EI or welfare.Just wondering . God Bless



posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 07:14 AM
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Nice to see another sane person share my sentiments! My son is a staunch vegan; his kids brown bag it, so I'm waiting with bated breath to hear him tell me his kids' lunches were confiscated. All hell will break loose if that ever happens.

Sounds like you're doing a fantastic job with home schooling! I was an early, avid reader who was reading at least 3-grade levels beyond my peers, starting in third grade. If I had things to do all over again, I would definitely be home schooling mine.

When I was just a youngster, I heard my conservative parents screaming about the "bleeding heart liberals" on a constant basis. So I guess they've always been around. It's just now they've taken their warped ideology to extreme levels and we all suffer the consequences. Things are so out of control that I'm afraid it's too late to salvage what little good is left of this society.




posted on Apr, 16 2013 @ 03:54 AM
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I have never had a lot of tolerance for totalitarian practices, and that's what we are seeing more and more in the schools. I guess some of that could be attributed to my parents; my mom was very willing to confront a teacher that crossed a line. They didn't do it more than once.



posted on Apr, 22 2013 @ 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
reply to post by Toots
 


I have never had a lot of tolerance for totalitarian practices, and that's what we are seeing more and more in the schools. I guess some of that could be attributed to my parents; my mom was very willing to confront a teacher that crossed a line. They didn't do it more than once.


I am glad for parents like yours. I am glad for people who actually stand up for Truth!



posted on Apr, 23 2013 @ 10:28 PM
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The U.S.A. does not provide free lunches to all children, just those (with parents) unable to pay for lunch.
As a matter of fact, the only children capable of running a negative balance are those that have parents capable of paying for lunch.

If you are poor and under-privileged, lunch is free.
If your parents make money, you pay for lunch, so the only kids denied lunch were those who were actually capable of paying for it.



posted on Apr, 23 2013 @ 10:34 PM
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posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 04:53 AM
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Originally posted by EarthEvolves

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
reply to post by Toots
 


I have never had a lot of tolerance for totalitarian practices, and that's what we are seeing more and more in the schools. I guess some of that could be attributed to my parents; my mom was very willing to confront a teacher that crossed a line. They didn't do it more than once.


I am glad for parents like yours. I am glad for people who actually stand up for Truth!


They had issues, but they didn't take crap off anyone. For that, I am very grateful! Too many people these days won't stand for anything.






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