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No Noon Meal For Kids In Debt At Middle School

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posted on Apr, 5 2013 @ 11:19 PM

Originally posted by GreenGlassDoor
Reply to post by Snoopy1978

Even in the Soviet Union there were costs associated with goods. You clearly don't understand what socialism and communism are so your comment is moot and evidence of a failed schooling.

Do you have anything to add or do you just want to shout big sounding words you don't understand the meaning to hoping others don't either?

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Sarcasm aside, I can spot fascism when I see it. Tag!

posted on Apr, 5 2013 @ 11:25 PM
Reply to post by Snoopy1978

You keep using words you don't understand the meaning of. Who said they want to bind authority to a single unit?

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posted on Apr, 5 2013 @ 11:50 PM
reply to post by GreenGlassDoor

Why don't you go beat your green orc chest somewhere else, for you're not going to convince good people that those children shouldn't have been fed. Oh, the dog eat dog, social darwinism road is the big snake down soul wise, in the game of snakes and ladders. Its the BEAST, they always talk about, modeling the jungle, the predator, thats the beast.

I teach my kids, teamwork, cooperation, Love and Compassion, and Equality For All. And not even interested in your life lessons. They're going home to Higher Levels. No one thinks like that from above.

posted on Apr, 6 2013 @ 12:01 AM
Yes--- 'm sure I got this. There was food doled out on the trays already,
and the students were ordered to dump it because of no ability to pay.
This looks to my bewilderment like the punishment is the important issue,
if not a little bit of public humiliation for being briefly "poor". Hold the emoticons.

The cost of the food isn't apparently as important to the policy makers as
the indoctrination. I fear only that they aren't kidding, are they??
It may take an extra hour to get to sleep tonight, possibly several. real tears

I keep seeing this somewhat beige reminder just above my text box saying
"You are an experienced contributor to ATS. Please be an example..."
There were a lot of contributions by yours truly today, and many thanks to all
of you for putting up with my lousy sentence construction and everything else.

For the first time I'm receiving a vibe from just this scenario that has forbidden
me from contributing any more to the site for quite a long while. The karma of
this may richochet to us soon, in ways we may more than deserve.
I would besides rather soon die off than act on my present feelings: those
creatures don't deserve me as I am right now, trust me.

Hitchens remarked on the passing of a somewhat notorius televangelist:
"It's a shame there's no Hell for him to go to." With all around us crumbling,
now I can pray for Hell to exist even if I am made an usher for the act.

Quote her in this bastardization of the children's prayer by youngest Erika:
"And if I die before I wake, I wouldn't be a bit surprised."
And deliver us from evil. Now I hope no more, for it is what we have become.
May the few righteous left of us perish quickly and without great pain. For
the others and their torture of the young no earthly pain could be retribution.
I was waterboarded when I was 8... but these people deserve someone much
more creative than I could ever get. Must go sharpen some things... dull others.

posted on Apr, 6 2013 @ 12:08 AM
I understand this school contracts a company to provide the lunches and it is this company who denied the lunches for non payment - not the school itself. Those lunches are not paid for by your tax dollars. Hence the school district as it is cannot make the call. The state would have to have an agreement with this company to reimburse all debts paid for lunches the kids must eat when the parents don't pay - apparently, it's not set up that way.

If you want to school lunch program to be in charge you have to pay for the lunches with either taxes, donations or the like and get the private companies out of the picture. When people scream they dont want higher taxes, these things happen. The state is forced to go to private companies who then charge the parent for the service directly.

No kid should Ever go without a lunch. They should have thought of this possibility and make contingencies for it in these events before hand.

But now what if a Parent has never paid and always sent the kid to school with a bag lunch Lets say one day they forget to pack the lunch or as my mom used to do. give me lunch money in which i would go spend on M&M's from the vending machine - keeping half the money LOL - many kids will not eat anyway depending on how they choose to alter the outcome of their lunchtime. Heck, I even bought packs of cigarettes with my lunch money in school.

posted on Apr, 6 2013 @ 12:29 AM
reply to post by GreenGlassDoor
So it was better to dump the food in the trash rather than allow them to eat it? Awesome rationale!

posted on Apr, 6 2013 @ 12:32 AM
I'm going to have to play the devils advocate here like a few others and say that the school shouldn't be responsible for feeding these children. Many schools don't even have a cafeteria and it's up to the parents to make sure their children are sent to school with food. Expecting a public school to feed all of our children is nothing less than outright nannying. Of course the reality of the situation is that America's middle class is being dismantled and more and more parents simply cannot afford to feed their children... that is where the true problem is and the blame should be directed towards those responsible for it. Trying to blame the school is ridiculous.
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posted on Apr, 6 2013 @ 12:36 AM
reply to post by elevatedone

My daughter's school wouldn't let them have anything if their money ran out, 8 years at the schools, I always overpaid just to be safe, if it went one day food for you.

posted on Apr, 6 2013 @ 12:40 AM
Reply to post by Unity_99

My orc chest is full of gold and enchanted armor and the Sword of Flames which does a +70 damage. Instead of depending on others we orcs preach self-reliance and loyalty to the clan to keep our shameful orc poverty (since we just horde treasure and are too miserly to spend it) a secret. Orc pride about not paying our debts is an odd thing.

At a young age of 10 the younglings were taught the family secret of tasty orc magic bean burritos, so by Middle Earth School putting things between two slices of bread for a tasty orc snack was child's play!

Judging by your comment there won't be any human kids eating dogs as sandwich mechanics have been dropped from the ciriculum. Perhaps it is taught in human college?

Your human ways are foreign and alien to me. Please tell me more about this Higher Plane, as this is something I know nothing about. Unfortunately, in the past I had a bad experience. Since we orcs are fans of spelunking the light at the end of the last tunnel was an on-coming train.

Please refrain from specist comments. I find your anti-Orcatism offensive. You're probably a Mordor denier too.

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posted on Apr, 6 2013 @ 12:40 AM
reply to post by ChaoticOrder

Here's what gets me.....I am a big proponent of personal responsibility......but......the schools give free breakfast and lunch to those who claim to be poor.

I know classmates of my kids that were upper middle class, but because they were self employed, they lied to the school every year to get free food.

Does a father who flies to Dubai regularly for business and pleasure, need to half free lunch for his teenagers?

So, when you are at a school for years, have a history of consistently paying your lunch bill, never bounced a check etc....should your kid be denied lunch one or two times a year? I pay $5000 a year just on school taxes, feed my kid for one day, people forget sometimes.
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posted on Apr, 6 2013 @ 12:49 AM
reply to post by timetothink

I have no problem with what you're saying, if you have proven to pay consistently they should be willing to provide a little wiggle room, although they can't be forced to do so. However that same situation doesn't apply to many other children who's parents probably never pay their debts to the cafeteria, so it's understandable from my perspective that they would be denied lunch. The cafeteria usually is a business separate from the school after all. Of course there was no reason to make them dump the food, if that is in fact what happened.
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posted on Apr, 6 2013 @ 12:56 AM
reply to post by ChaoticOrder

And in our case, it's a big school district, but they provide the lunches, not an outside company.

I would rather if they took some other kind of action rather not give a child food. Make it age appropriate.

Like not letting a child participate in after school activities until bill is paid or something. If its a constant offender.

Throwing food away is the most ridiculous thing to do.

I remember one time, my daughter couldn't reach me to bring her money, so her teacher bought her lunch. That was going above and beyond.

posted on Apr, 6 2013 @ 03:45 AM
This whole subject just tweaks my tail.

As a parent, I get a list that exceeds what even I'm using as a College student and by quite a bit at that ...which my Son is required to buy of his own to attend. This list is also about 150% longer than anything I saw when I went to school. It includes such helpful things as kleenex and similar items (there were a few) with notations about how they will be used as community supplies for the class. Hmmm...

Then I'm getting fund raising nudges or outright slaps, depending on how tired I am of them on a given week for how I interpret them. I get them in the mail. I get them in my son's backpack and I've even got a couple recorded calls from the district. Only a couple, but the definition of Cheeky is pretty much made right there, IMO.

Add to all this, they whine for money every election, without fail and just got another bond issue passed last Tuesday in a special ballot. They generally get told no on any general or regular office holder I suppose this is the clever way to get pro- people out when normal folk don't even notice.
My district is nothing special or unusual.

^^^^^ We don't even get into the property taxes I'm paying as well as other extra 1/4 cent here .. 1/2 cent there.. for the schools. This is *JUST* what they now solicit like Amway salesmen.. Oh, that's before we GET to exploiting our kids for profit.

Attleboro School Menus

^^^ That's the rate chart for this district in the OP story. Notice the prices. OH but they come with Age Appropriate Calorie Limits and Smart Snack Food Options. It says so. Right there. I know that was always MY top prioroty as a kid. Indeed.

Now lets look at another little story.

Arpaio confirmed to ABC15 that beginning in March, he is planning to charge each inmate $1 per day for the cost of their meals.
The Sheriff said meals used to cost $.60 a day per inmate, but the cost of food has risen since the jail is now purchasing more food with donations down.

Golly... Those are adults! ...and that $1 for TWO meals comes with some pretty good hype too.

How feeding a $1 a day can work!

Now what *REALLY* burns this Bunny is that I dumped THOUSANDS of pounds of meat over my 15 years as a Trucker and a fair part as a Reefer/Produce runner. I dumped, donated or just handed off TENS OF THOUSANDS of pounds of fresh produce over my career. I had a VERY low rejection rate too. A couple to a few per year. Every delivery I made into an big city market or shed had rejected trucks daily that I watched happen and several per working day when I'd be at one, normally. None went to schools that *I* ever saw OR heard about. Salvage stores were popular. Shelters and food banks occasionally. If no one wanted it or had too much already? ....I saw more than one full load thrown away. A LOAD ON A TRUCK IS 40-45,000 LBS.

*ALL* of that could have gone to SCHOOLS and for the pennies on the dollar in net costs!

These kids could be eating for free, well within the tax revenue we all, already pay. EVERY homeowner, with kids or not, is paying the school costs ..and yet, they beg for money at every turn, have our kids supplying everything but the books and desk (Almost literally at this point) and now .... They get told NO like Little Boy Oliver when they're Hungry????

Oh... NO I say. That's WRONG.

posted on Apr, 6 2013 @ 04:04 AM
reply to post by timetothink

You sure about your school district actually providing the food and not an outside company? I actually thought the same though I kind of raised an eyebrow at the fare being changed (those smuckers pbj things for instance--think that old greasy glob of spaghetti I ate at school as a kid is healthier). Anyways, I looked today and nope, it's privatized at my kids' school district. It's not readily available information. Might just try doing a search for your school district and either Aramark, Whitson's or Chartwells as those are the biggies just to see if anything pops up.

posted on Apr, 6 2013 @ 04:17 AM
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

Part of the reason why they have the whole menu thing listed out like that is for grants. Schools have been basically trying to improve nutrition due to pressure by other agencies such as the USDA. With schools being short on funds, they're snapping it up. It's also the same reason why homemade foods (like cupcakes or cookies) aren't allowed for class parties at some schools. It's all because of grants. I volunteered for a school for several years when they underwent this change. I think that school got about $30k for forsaking such things as bake sales that would've pitched into sports teams and other fund raising activities. Anyways, that should, I hope, explain some of the menu oddness at the schools.

Some of the grants:

My favorite item on the student supplies list is hand sanitizer. As a former biology major, I don't allow hand sanitizer use for my kids because it is an indiscriminate killer (kills good bacteria that help protect you along with bad bacteria). Soap and water should suffice for schools but no, I have to buy hand sanitizer every year. I tend to "forget" to buy that one and my kids know better than to use it. Before anybody says anything, my kids rarely get sick.

posted on Apr, 6 2013 @ 05:40 AM

Originally posted by elevatedone

Students at an Attleboro, Massachusetts, middle school went hungry this week, if they had a negative balance on their pre-paid lunch cards.

Five cents of debt was enough for cafeteria employees at the Coehlo Middle School to instruct kids at least one day this week to dump out the food they would have normally eaten, CNN affiliate WJAR in Rhode Island reported.

About 25 children left the lunchroom with empty stomachs, said Whitson's Culinary Group in a statement. The company runs the school's cafeteria.



Kids with a negative balance usually receive "a cheese sandwich, a fruit and vegetable, and milk." Then the company contacts the parents about payment.

So why didn't these kids receive a sandwich at minimum?

I can't imagine the embarrassment these children felt as they were told to empty their
trays and then to not be allowed to eat anything.

How can this be prevented in the future, shouldn't the school distric be responsible to make
sure that each and every child receives a lunch every day? Does it fall back on the parents
to provide lunch for their kids?

It's post like this that confuses the crap out of me. Are we for socialism or against it? Are we for big govt or are we against it? Do we want to put more power into the teachers hands or into the parents hands? Do we want govt interfering with the way our kids are raised it not?

I'm against a welfare/entitlement/everyone's a winner/can't offend govt/school system. If I forgot my lunch money - I'd head to the library and read during lunch. If my parents didn't make enough money, I'd make a sandwich for lunch. Sure some of you will say 'the school system doesn't allow you to bring lunches' or something like that...easy solution, eat it at your locker or eat it while you sneak that smoke (yes, kids smoke in middle school).

edit on 6-4-2013 by ChuckNasty because: typos

edit on 6-4-2013 by ChuckNasty because: yes I know our current school system is socialized.

posted on Apr, 6 2013 @ 08:58 AM
I would just like to point out for the folks that are talking about it being a real life experience that we have food stamps and several different layers of charity that people who are hungry and can't eat depend upon.

In this case, the real world example is to be given the sandwich, milk, and an apple.

Also, to be honest about it, I don't understand why we can't just provide lunch for everybody, anyway. My property taxes are ridonkulous. Why is it that the schools can't seem to pay for anything for the kids but feel the need to have 20 layers of red tape and 1 administrator for every 1.5 kids?
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posted on Apr, 6 2013 @ 10:39 AM
reply to post by AnIntellectualRedneck
I think that's why they can't pay for anything. They DO have a pencil pusher for every few teachers worth of numbers in FAR FAR too many places. If the upper level wasn't sucking money from the classroom level SO loudly you might think there was a whirlpool nearby at times...Perhaps kids wouldn't be busting themselves and being humiliated in front of classmates (Remember how cruel kids can be in school?) just to have lunch.

Maybe they could even dump the fluff like cultural this or that and get back to what makes for a better NATION. The three R's, with little things like Home Ec, Drivers Ed and shop classes. All that 'silly nonsense' the people running schools now simply failed when THEY went and so find NO logic to having for anyone else.

How do you like that class of drivers you share the road with these days? Isn't life without mandatory and school supplied Drivers Education a fun thing to have? The Lunch is just the start of what boils my bacon. Indeed!

posted on Apr, 6 2013 @ 11:20 AM

Originally posted by Hopechest
That's pretty horrible.

Kids should not be held accountable for what their parents do. Let alone be singled out like that in front of their classmates.

My goodness, I can imagine how belittled they must have felt. Hell, raise my taxes to cover the cost of their lunches if you have to but don't treat them like second rate citizens.

How about stop sending your hard earned money to leaders of Israel and other countries where it is handed to programs for their college and other things when we have hungry kids at home!

When I was in grade school, my sisters and I went to school without breakfast everyday, we would meet on the playground and play through lunch. All the years we went to school we had one meal a day in the evening.
When they started low cost and free lunch programs i was 11, they offered it to me but my parent had to COME to the school and sign for it to happen, mine would never have done that so it didn't.

You know it would help to let the poorer kids help out in the lunch room maybe feel like they belong.

posted on Apr, 6 2013 @ 11:29 AM

Originally posted by GreenGlassDoor
Reply to post by elevatedone

Welcome to real life: if you do not pay you will not eat.

Since schools are supposed to be preparing youngsters for life this will be one of those lessons that actually mean something.

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So here is what i learned from going to school hungry.

First of all kick those that are down

If you are a little kid and helpless of your situation and your parents are poor or don't care, you are hungry and the majority of teachers will treat you like somehow your lack of nice cloths and food makes you less worthy of their care and attention. They will gush over the wealthy kids and not even look your way, not a kind word or any look of sympathy to be are on your own.

In the meantime your well off country sends billions to aid children just like you in another country.

Yes guess we need our lessons!

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