No Noon Meal For Kids In Debt At Middle School

What ever happened to brown bag lunches? Are children not allowed to carry food into school anymore?

S'what I lived on going through school. If I didn't pack my lunch I went hungry and binged when I got home.

Originally posted by GreenGlassDoor
When do you start teaching kids how the world works?

That might be the way your world works...but do you notice in that world the welfare rolls don't go down and poverty remains multi-generational? And I'm betting you squawk about it big-time.

In a better world, we invest in our kids as a society...make sure they get fed at least one good meal a day and give them the tools they need to break the cycle.

But I guess it's easier to punish the kids and then make noise about it.

As a matter of fact, I just remembered....

I paid for my lunch every day, I was lucky to have parents that could afford it.
There were a couple of times though, I simply forgot to pick up my money off the table
in the morning or "lost" it before lunch time....

I went through the line at lunch time, got the same meal everyone else was
getting and whenI got to the cashier, simply said "charge it".... the next day
I would bring in enough money for 2 lunches.

My point being, I don't ever recall seeing a child not allowed to eat lunch.

Reply to post by this_is_who_we_are

No, they are not.

Look, the average student is already running a bill of $10K a year and 1/3 will drop out and a full 80% that do graduate will not be up to snuff when it comes to possessing skills at their grade level.

So now people start boohooing when these future dropout flunkies miss a meal.

You go to school to learn. It's not a state sponsored babysitter. So the schools will fail them on the reading, writing, arithmetic part and there is no outrage but if they can teach them a lesson on life it's outrageous. Seems like screwed up thinking to me.

I view public education as a bad investment (it's failed the students and society) and *school* lunches are part of that failed institution.

C'mon, by the very nature you were homeless is a big clue that things ain't free.


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So instead of feeding the children and contacting their parents they wasted items that could have been eaten? Talk about a lack of regard for what's going on in the world. Half the people on this planet are starving and they're throwing away food to set an example, what a joke.

I want to take every adult involved in this and crack there heads together. Stupidity at its best.

The people at the school could make it happen if they wanted to.....These are some soul-LESS and heart-LESS creatures working at this school to let a kid not eat because they can't afford it....

I pay school taxes and dammit I want to be heard.....USE some of MY money I pay toward the school district to feed these children, not raise a salary or landscape the building....FEED THE EFFIN CHILDREN!!!

This stuff just pisses me off to no end....Sorry about my rant

You know what the problem is?

That we allow public education, yet don't make the institution responsible for feeding them adequately.

Encouraging kids to eat healthy, by providing them with the opportunity to do so in conjunction with good education on the subject is far more likely to lead to positive outcomes.

This sort of nonsense needs to stop. We can have a government that does education correctly, that's been proven. What the hell do you tax dollars pay for, if not for the food your kids need in order to learn properly.

Jesus H.

~Tenth

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
So instead of feeding the children and contacting their parents they wasted items that could have been eaten? Talk about a lack of regard for what's going on in the world. Half the people on this planet are starving and they're throwing away food to set an example, what a joke.

I want to take every adult involved in this and crack there heads together. Stupidity at its best.

And while you're at it crack the parents heads together also, for not keeping enough money in their kids accounts.

If they can't afford then they should go on the Free Lunch Program.

reply to post by GreenGlassDoor

When flunkies miss a meal?
How do you know these middle school kids are flunkies? Assume much?
You do know that brains require nourishment, right?
You also know that hungry people aren't able to concentrate properly, right?

Originally posted by Hopechest
That's pretty horrible.

Kids should not be held accountable for what their parents do. Let alone be singled out like that in front of their classmates.

My goodness, I can imagine how belittled they must have felt. Hell, raise my taxes to cover the cost of their lunches if you have to but don't treat them like second rate citizens.

that's the free market at work...no money, no food....you don't want a socialist cafeteria simply handing out free food to slacker children now, do you?

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Do you have kids of your own?

I don't myself but I can tell that you think that you're quite the expert on nutrition and education.

As someone else said in another post, best to provide these kids with the nutrition they need to succeed than to starve them of a meal and deprive them of a future. It sure does make good kindling for the right wing noise machine.

Reply to post by tothetenthpower

Actually study after study has shown that the single biggest factor in student success is parental participation and interest in their student's life.

Sending Johnny to school and expecting the school to take up the slack by default kind of shows the level of participation here, ja?


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Originally posted by bg_socalif

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
So instead of feeding the children and contacting their parents they wasted items that could have been eaten? Talk about a lack of regard for what's going on in the world. Half the people on this planet are starving and they're throwing away food to set an example, what a joke.

I want to take every adult involved in this and crack there heads together. Stupidity at its best.

And while you're at it crack the parents heads together also, for not keeping enough money in their kids accounts.

If they can't afford then they should go on the Free Lunch Program.

Sh!t happens, don't punish the kids. Its not their fault their parents messed up.

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I certainly hope that this is sarcasm.

Because if it's not? It would be quite an ignorant thing to say on ATS of all the places.

Originally posted by GreenGlassDoor
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Actually study after study has shown that the single biggest factor in student success is parental participation and interest in their student's life.

Well ofcourse, that's just common sense. But study after study have also shown that a child who doesn't eat is incapable of focusing and absorbing the information being presented. I'm not absolving the parent of being an actual parent.

Sending Johnny to school and expecting the school to take up the slack by default kind of shows the level of participation here, ja?

We home schooled our children till middle/high school and let them decide. I pay enough taxes to the government and expect them to make sure that my child is well taken care of for the 8 hours a day I pay for them to be.

Food should be the least of their concerns. This should not even be an issue. Who lets a hungry kid starve?

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Your argument only holds water if you're talking breakfast. There is enough science on cognitive functions and fasting in children to support this.

Sorry, Charlie, but lunch isn't the most important meal of the day.


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Reply to post by tothetenthpower

Taken care of? Schools aren't babysitters. How about enough taxes to promise that the kiddies learn?


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I give ( or used to, i'm retired) about 35-50% of my income in taxes. Be in local, provincial, federal, sales tax, HST, unemployment insurance, retirement savings tax etc..

Considering how much actual dollar value cash I've provided, just myself to the government over the last 35 years or so, yeah, I do expect them to spend 8 hours, educating and taking care of my child.

Otherwise they can pay for the private tutor to come to my home and teach my kids for the equivalent period of time. Which ever they prefer.

Forgive me for expecting high quality for a service that is VERY expensive. Not only to me, but all Canadians.

~Tenth

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by GreenGlassDoor

 

I give ( or used to, i'm retired) about 35-50% of my income in taxes. Be in local, provincial, federal, sales tax, HST, unemployment insurance, retirement savings tax etc..

Considering how much actual dollar value cash I've provided, just myself to the government over the last 35 years or so, yeah, I do expect them to spend 8 hours, educating and taking care of my child.

That is not even close to the amount of money that would be required to provide top level education and care for every child in Canada, 8 hrs /day. In fact, you would probably need in around 80-90% of all Canadians income to cover the total cost of all Canadians educations. And that would mean zero funds for every other facet the government deals with.

Otherwise they can pay for the private tutor to come to my home and teach my kids for the equivalent period of time. Which ever they prefer.

Why? They already provide a school...filled with educators. You can send your child there, same as everybody else.

If your community is too small for that level of service...move. This Canadian has zero intention of paying for your overinflated sense of self worth.

Forgive me for expecting high quality for a service that is VERY expensive. Not only to me, but all Canadians.

~Tenth

You are expectations are out of whack.

If you don't mind, why don't you share with us what you did for a living. I want to hire you to do something you were never trained for, and I want you to do it at a substantially reduced rate for what you expect.

That is what you are asking our educators to do, so it seems fair.

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That's the rub ain't it? Bush's Sec of Education went on the John Stewart show and the first thing they talked about was the meal program. She stated that the Dep Ed doesn't do the nutritional programming. That is done by the Dep Ag.

Every state, less Utah, has at least one "drop out factory" where 50% of the students do not graduate High School. I've railed before about the bloated Public Education system and how it is an abysmal failure.

This is why I find the whole being upset at kids not getting a school lunch a little absurd. Public education in the US is a broken Buick. People are demanding we fix the broken tail-light of a Ford. If education was overhauled to include a nutrition program for student success then I wouldn't have a problem with it. It is not, however. It has become a "feed the children" program, notice the emotional arguments provided in this thread.

The education advice I recieved was in a college macroeconomics class: "if you can sell something you don't need to be here."

So given that the basic hull of public education, the education part, has shattered we're arguing about rearranging the deck chairs on a sinking ship.

As such, if people start looking into the innerworkings of what comprises public education because some kids are skipping a few meals and realize it's all for naught then that's a good thing.

For the time being I really wouldn't care if they canceled all school meal programs. These 25 kids received a solid life lesson.


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