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Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by tetra50
I have actually read the whole thread but none of what you reposted does away with the need for a reason for a person to be targeted. All those points show a means to an end but none give a clear idea of what that end, as far as any individual in particular is concerned, could possibly be or why X is targeted instead of Y or Z. This is where individual cases break down.
edit on 5-4-2013 by daskakik because: (no reason given)
Its wild because the same things may be going on with ALL the ENERGIES related w/o knowing as some can be like lets say flytraps as to attract questionable energies closer as so THEY Are WATCHED/EVALUATED...
I just think that you have misidentified what the experiences are, and that your interpretation is impractical. Furthermore, I think that it is not just you, and your ilk, who have this happen to them
Who are the fallen ones, pray tell? And why would I not accept that, what state of denial am I in, in your estimation. And here, I find downright offensive, for you do not know me at all. Nor does my OP provide anything with which you would take it to this personal level, of my ilk and state of denial.
Also, what I am trying to tell you, is that I have already seen almost all of the evidence you are presenting, and that if you put everything possible into scope, the most likely culprit are the fallen ones. You just do not wish to accept that possibility, because you are in such a grave state of denial.
No. 1: No. 2) No. Haven't a clue what you are talking about. 3)No. I am overcome with "filth", after many years of more subtle interference which wasn't filth, but simply thoughts that didn't seem germaine to what I was doing at the moment, nor had I ever encountered in my mind before, totally unrelated to absolutely anything going on at the time. The characteristics of this changed dramatically approx. 10 yrs. ago, when it became pure filth, uncharacteristic of any thoughts ever entertained nor occurring in my brain before, ever. The filth overcoming me comes out of the pure blue, not trying to fight anything, fixing an egg for breakfast and the symbolism of that being consuming a potential life of another form. Or, seeing the worst, dirtiest interpretation of a really harmless statement, as though my mind comes up with completely foreign (previous to forty years of thought, on academic levels mainly, or serious intellectual probing of concepts), bad, out of taste jokes about something I would never have responded to that way--out of the blue, my not resisting anything. Just suddenly, some totally uncharacteristic, immature, and raunchy, sometimes offensive--and totally uncharacteristic again, in all my thinking all my life, of the same ponderings of abstractual concepts to the most mundane.
Answer these: Do you ever feel like a pressure on your head, as if something is pressing in, if you try to block the thoughts? Do you often hear what sounds like the swan song of a dieing ear drum cell? Are you only overcome with "filth" when you dwell on what you are perceiving? Do you hear random noises about you very often?
I'm telling you it's not just you. It's everyone, and everyone just doesn't pay attention like you are. If you stop dwelling on it, it will get easier for you.
Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by tetra50
But if this is the case then is it accurate to say that anyone is really targeted? If someone goes for a stroll in a park and it starts to rain, does it rain only on them because someone is trying to trigger a preprogrammed response? Isn't everyone that is out and about in that area getting the same treatment?
As for your other reply, my point was in reference to specific cases. Your general explanations don't really address them and they do nothing to validate them. I don't think it is wrong on my part to take individuals claiming to be targets of this type of control as individual cases that may or may not be factual.
edit on 5-4-2013 by daskakik because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by tetra50
Sorry that I am not suffering from something very real. I have said that I believe that real cases exist but that I don't believe everyone claiming to be a victim is real.
I see you putting this out there like it has been worked out to a science, which is more reason against arbitrary experimentation on the average person. If they were actually at the roll out stage then I doubt people would notice and there would be no way to fight it.
I think you might be building up an enemy just to satisfy a romantic notion of fighting the good fight.
Originally posted by tetra50
Originally posted by Bleeeeep
reply to post by tetra50
I just think that you have misidentified what the experiences are, and that your interpretation is impractical. Furthermore, I think that it is not just you, and your ilk, who have this happen to them
Then be clearer, and explain in plain words what the experiences are, and why you find my interpretation impractical, especially not knowing my history. And I would object, here, that you have brought this into a personal interpretation, which I was avoiding. This was for all the victims who suffer, not me. So, I resent this pounding at me personally, when the OP was clear.
Next, pray tell, what is my "ilk?"
Who are the fallen ones, pray tell? And why would I not accept that, what state of denial am I in, in your estimation. And here, I find downright offensive, for you do not know me at all. Nor does my OP provide anything with which you would take it to this personal level, of my ilk and state of denial.
Also, what I am trying to tell you, is that I have already seen almost all of the evidence you are presenting, and that if you put everything possible into scope, the most likely culprit are the fallen ones. You just do not wish to accept that possibility, because you are in such a grave state of denial.
No. 1: No. 2) No. Haven't a clue what you are talking about. 3)No. I am overcome with "filth", after many years of more subtle interference which wasn't filth, but simply thoughts that didn't seem germaine to what I was doing at the moment, nor had I ever encountered in my mind before, totally unrelated to absolutely anything going on at the time. The characteristics of this changed dramatically approx. 10 yrs. ago, when it became pure filth, uncharacteristic of any thoughts ever entertained nor occurring in my brain before, ever. The filth overcoming me comes out of the pure blue, not trying to fight anything, fixing an egg for breakfast and the symbolism of that being consuming a potential life of another form. Or, seeing the worst, dirtiest interpretation of a really harmless statement, as though my mind comes up with completely foreign (previous to forty years of thought, on academic levels mainly, or serious intellectual probing of concepts), bad, out of taste jokes about something I would never have responded to that way--out of the blue, my not resisting anything. Just suddenly, some totally uncharacteristic, immature, and raunchy, sometimes offensive--and totally uncharacteristic again, in all my thinking all my life, of the same ponderings of abstractual concepts to the most mundane.
Answer these: Do you ever feel like a pressure on your head, as if something is pressing in, if you try to block the thoughts? Do you often hear what sounds like the swan song of a dieing ear drum cell? Are you only overcome with "filth" when you dwell on what you are perceiving? Do you hear random noises about you very often?
I'm telling you it's not just you. It's everyone, and everyone just doesn't pay attention like you are. If you stop dwelling on it, it will get easier for you.
It has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with me dwelling on it. I can distract myself in a variety of ways. These foreign thoughts creep in, no matter how relaxed a state I am in. The more relaxed, and not resistant, the worse it is.edit on 5-4-2013 by tetra50 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by tetra50
You might feel that it is belittling but I'm just being honest. Mind control seems to be a little like illness. Some people are really ill and then there are hypochondriacs. Not in reference to you but they do exist. I don't really understand what it is you are trying to convince me about. I already stated that I believe these things happen but I doubt it happens to people for no good reason.
I also believe that a general form of control, as Bleeeeep and Ophiuchus mentioned, does not fit the phenomenon as stated in the OP so are we to discuss one or the other?
Originally posted by tetra50
What "general form of control?" I find your writing lacking in clarity.
Perhaps you are one of those who have that overblown sense of patriotism and do not realize that what is often happening is the opposite of what you are told. These things don't happen to protect country and loyalty, but to destroy it.
I see your responses as picking apart something that was wholly intended to do the opposite. Leave the picking alone, assume it happens, suspend your belief for the purposes of healing. You continue to degenerate the discussion to tangential nitpicking, refusing to accept any logic you will not entertain regardless of its logic.
World domination and the domination and control of the populace must not be something you see as happening, or a goal.
If you do not wish to participate in the discussion on that level, then leave it. You lost me with the romanticized anything once I described what the rape of the mind must be like and it should be the last sacred bastion of our lives and bodies as individuals. If you don't see the paramountness of that, and how offensive it is to suggest this is some kind of romanticization, we will never reach any agreement about much of anything, and I feel you have missed the point of the OP.
This OP was not intended to be a debate of your beliefs. It was outlined clearly. It was about compassion, and stopping this happening.
Needless to say, I found that highly inflammatory, and adding nothing to the subject worth continuing.