What would you do: advice sought on a controversial topic

a reply to: Thurisaz

Thank you, for reading and being interested. There are many threads about the subject on ATS. The problem is many of those folks sound a little off. I suspect it's done on purpose, many times, to troll, debunk those that try to seriously present the problem and the information that backs it up….

I think this is a good time to bump the thread, as there are three, at least, started in the last day or so on the same topic, and they are unusual, as the OPs are obviously stable and sane and give well presented, credible cases.

This is more anecdotal than anything. But I did include links to substantial and credible information throughout the thread as the arguments intensified.
Tetra

a reply to: tetra50

I have bumped 2 other threads (a bumper one from 2007) and another from 2010: Solfeggio Frequencies, The Music Industry and You the link specifically discusses the frequencies and human health. Really interesting.

a reply to: Thurisaz

Yes, the Solfeggio thread is a really good one. I've read both. There is a member I haven't seen in a while that posted quite a lot about this, and was credible, as well: MemoryShock. If interested, anyone could do a search as he has a story to tell, as well. It seems this isn't very rare. Of course, one of the threads going now, by SystemResistor, talks about a global telepathy, which I think is technologically propogated. Anyway, the global aspect means that it's spreading, that lots of people are dealing with this, but probably quietly. Talking about this is highly frowned upon by those we hear…..
tetra

a reply to: tetra50

I have this thread saved in my subscribed threads so I can read other replies.



ps... this is the thread you referred to?

Yes, I sent you a rather confused private message,sorry. I think we're on the same page now…..
hope you have time to read some of this. A lot is just arguing the theory, but some is actual good links and research.
tetra

a reply to: tetra50

I found this thread last night and did not stop. What an informative read. I will intentionally keep this short and sharp, and I will return to contribute more later.

This is how it all started for me www.abovetopsecret.com...


What if one doesn't want to bea drain on others, surely this should not have to be a consciousness effort ?

Namaste
~sacri~

Gang stalking is real. Very real. Just ask some of the people in East Germany who had secret police assigned to them what it's like to have every aspect of your life #ed with by paid individuals. Sometimes an individual is found in the populace that has the potential to create trouble. Certain organizations in this world pay, lie, steal, and kill in order to make sure this individual can't make trouble. The most common way is to make them think they're crazy and be labelled as such so that they can't get help.

Or to induce amnesia and drop you in another country with a new identity that not even you can disprove.

But, there are rare cases where these individuals were able to capture one of the agents assigned to them and make them spill the beans. Completely by accident. And find out there is a secret police organization in the United States and Canada made up of anonymous individuals assigned to different targets. To make sure that the targeted individual goes down the correct educational and career path. Why? I have no clue.

There were over 186,000 the last I heard. Random people. That record and transmit everything you say. They watch you online. Insert key logger viruses into your PC. Random DOS attacks.

All designed to break your psyche and make you submit. But if you were to find out about all of this web of lies and deceit, you can defend yourself and break out of it

Hypothetically speaking of course, about all of this. I don't anyone getting flaggedor anything

a reply to: thisguy27
Hey thisguy27, and the rest of the newcomers to the thread: I've pulled some quotes available from the GB6 thread now going on, which reveal some very interesting information regarding Mind Control, in general, and made them available here, in a slightly different perspective.

'The Controllers'

www.constitution.org...

Perhaps the most interesting pieces of evidence surrounding the abduction phenomenon are the intracerebral implants allegedly visible in the X-rays and MRI scans of many abductees.23 Indeed, abductees often describe operations in which needles are inserted into the brain; more frequently still, they report implantation of foreign objects through the sinus cavities. Many abduction specialists assume that these intracranial incursions must be the handiwork of scientists from the stars. Unfortunately, these researchers have failed to familiarize themselves with certain little-heralded advances in terrestrial technology.

The abductees' implants strongly suggest a technological lineage which can be traced to a device known as a "stimoceiver," invented in the late '50s-early '60s by a neuroscientist named Jose Delgado. The stimoceiver is a miniature depth electrode which can receive and transmit electronic signals over FM radio waves. By stimulating a correctly-positioned stimoceiver, an outside operator can wield a surprising degree of control over the subject's responses.

The most famous example of the stimoceiver in action occurred in a Madrid bull ring. Delgado "wired" the bull before stepping into the ring, entirely unprotected. Furious for gore, the bull charged toward the doctor - then stopped, just before reaching him. The technician-turned-toreador had halted the animal by simply pushing a button on a black box, held in the hand.24


In a fascinating series of experiments, Delgado attached the stimoceiver to the tympanic membrane, thereby transforming the ear into a sort of microphone. An assistant would whisper "How are you?" into the ear of a suitably "fixed" cat, and Delgado could hear the words over a loudspeaker in the next room. The application of this technology to the spy trade should be readily apparent. According to Victor Marchetti, The Agency once attempted a highly-sophisticated extension of this basic idea, in which radio implants were attached to a cat's cochlea, to facilitate the pinpointing of specific conversations, freed from extraneous surrounding noises.31 Such "advances" exacerbate the already-imposing level of Twentieth-Century paranoia: Not only can our phones be tapped and mail checked, but even tabby may be spying on us!

Of course, this isn't just about "Tabby" spying on you. When considered in light of this thread and its implications, the "stimoceiver" has particular implications about Thisguy27's post. This device would actually be a tapping device for the human mind. Not only that, it would make one's thoughts actually heard, outside of the subject's mind. Not only that, as I am fond of saying, a line out is a line in: Meaning, information, not the "thought product" of one's own mind and thinking machinations, say through V2Skull (voice to skull) could be "piped in" but then piped back out, but passed off as the subject's thoughts, when it's simply something piped in by another party. Some party, huh.

The importance as it relates specifically to Thisguy's post is that, under that set of conditions, it then becomes virtually impossible for the subject, or actually target (as obviously, in TI, targeted individual in a gangstalking situation) to do what thisguy suggests, and that is to turn the tables on the targeters, get them to be honest about what's taking place and make it stop. As a matter of fact, it then becomes completely impossible for this person to fight back in any way whatsoever. For one thing, the piped in information being passed off as the thoughts of the individual would severely hamper that person making any and all connections to other humans for help or even believability. Think of it this way: Say you go to a local police department in an effort to get help. A detective grants you an interview. Once sitting across from the detective, this is what is heard coming out of "your mind:" Geez, this guy sure is fat. Or geez, look at all those moles on his face. What's his wife think when she's looking up close at his face in bed? And so on. See what I mean. It's non-stop #$cking with you, and you'll never get a sympathetic ear in such a situation.

For another thing, no plan one would attempt to make to do what thisguy27 suggests, would be any secret to the person's handlers or controllers. Therefore, any attempt would be anticipated and easily shut down. Then you consider all of the above, along with the personality fracturing situation the target is living with daily of actually hearing this crap in their mind all day long, coming from others. It amounts to non-stop hellish torture, and makes you virtually helpless. The worst is it is a kind of torture where absololutely no one is laying a hand on you, and therefore, almost totally unproveable.

Augmentation isn't just for breasts, anymore. Ready made schizophrenia. Oh the miracles of technology….all hypothetical, of course.
Tetra50

After reading the OP and most responses thoroughly, I can only offer my personal experience with an individual who was 'living' a similar situation. This is a difficult situation to describe in text, but I will do my best and I will try to keep it relatively short and respectful.

I was living with my cousin from early 2012 to mid 2013. We rode to and from work together every day. We spent entirely too much time together. In that one year I learned all kinds of things about him. He was as normal as they come, had a bit of a temper and was incredibly intelligent. He was one of those people who 'knew a little bit about everything'.

One day he snapped.

He had an argument with his parents about something minor, and he ended up going to a friends house to cool off. Standard procedure. A few hours later, that friend called his parents and told them that he was at their house essentially having a nervous breakdown. He had all kinds of unreal thoughts, like thinking that he was the father of his friends' child and that they (his friend and friend's girlfriend) were trying to get him to pay child support. No such thing was happening. There is a long list of odd things that happened that night, but they are unimportant at this point in the story. They assumed he had gotten his hands on some drugs, and were waiting til the morning to see if anything changed. The morning came and my cousin was a completely different person than I have ever known him to be.

I won't get into the specific thoughts that he was expressing, but one thing that he (fueled by the stupidity of his younger brother) insisted upon was that he was what he kept referring to as a T.I. After quite a few failed attempts at communication, he told us that a T.I. was a Targeted Individual. He would respond out loud to voices he heard in his head, he would get angry if the voice was one of a family member (or other familiar person) and that person (in reality) had no idea what he was talking about when he referenced the conversation they had in his mind. There were points where he would 'change realities' every 30-60 seconds. One minute he was a drug kingpin and we were hiding his money from him. The next minute he was angry at himself for being a gay pornstar. The next he thought his mom was his wife. It was a difficult process to observe, his undoing. But being a strong willed and curious individual I wanted to be a part of whatever was taking place. His family just wanted him to stop, and would even give 'Stop, or else' statements quite often. I knew that in his state there was no use in this kind of action. Logical thinking such as Action--> Consequence was not taking place in his mind.

There were many days where he would look out the window and say that certain cars that went by were passing the house over and over, and that they were watching him. I sat with him a few times and took note of each car that passed. Never was there an instance of a car doing more than passing more than twice. The house was on a main road with a Walmart and two convenience stores on one end and a convenience store on the other end. The 'two pass rule' as I called it was to be expected. There is so much more that I will leave out of this post, mainly because it would fill an encyclopedia sized volume if I went into the detail contained within my memory.

Throughout the following months his family took him to a few 'specialists' who claimed all kinds of miracle cures, including (but certainly not limited to) an injection of a magical drug that would 'snap him out of a dream-like state'. Didn't work. Most of the daily meds they prescribed to him had horrible side effects like involuntary muscle spasms and sudden death. Not good stuff. So in the end they just kept him sedated and hope for the best I guess?

His diagnosis is Paranoid Schizophrenia, a phrase everyone is probably familiar with. I'm not saying this to be an ass, or to be disrespectful, because in a way I WANT his condition to be something brought on by some twisted government program. I don't WANT my cousin, one of my best friends, to have a lifelong mental illness that will, in the end, destroy his quality of life. I WANT it to be as easy as some guy in a black suit flipping a switch and the 'old him' just comes right back.

Please, OP, don't take this as disrespectful. Take it as a display of my confusion. Take it as my insatiable desire to understand everything around me. Take it as my subtle nod to the possibility that these mental 'glitches' may be due to something far more sinister than a simple chemical imbalance...or they may not be. If you like, PM me and I will tell you more details of what I saw and maybe one of us can shed some light on something for the other.

I want to thank you for an incredibly insightful, profound, important and what must be incredibly difficult to relive and think about in terms of the ongoing struggle of someone you clearly love , post. I am grateful for your respect, when I could totally understand your reaction, instead, to be anger that people like me feed into your cousin's delusion which became part of his undoing. But I am also grateful for the opportunity to respond to an extremely valid point.

This is the thing. Both schizophrenia and targeted individuals exist. In light of that fact--that is, of course, if you accept that there are targeted individuals, and perhaps you don't, after all--it can be extremely difficult to tell the difference. And obviously, this must be approached on a case by case basis.

In my own case, I've taken at least five Multi-Phasic Minnesota Personality Index I & II tests over the span of twenty five years. I have completed each one with the same clinical depression diagnoses. As I've gotten older, I think once, post traumatic stress disorder was added. I've been a chronic pain patient for the last twenty five years, as well, so clinical depression is a biological consequence of chronic pain, in that living with pain changes the chemical balance in one's brain. The somatic nervous system is irrevocably altered and the dopamine receptors, endorphin production, and serotonin availability for the nerve sheaths in the brain all function differently after years of ongoing pain.

Having said all that, I must also tell you there have been many times I have actually wished I really were just schizophrenic. For one thing, to think that someone had actually thought up, planned and induced certain thoughts in my mind, the thoughts being as horrific as they are, is very hard, brutal, even, to face at all, because it totally destroys my faith in mankind being basically good. The idea that someone could have such evil in their mind, and then the will to induce that in mine....that cruelty is beyond anything I want to contemplate. So you see, it would be far easier for me to think I just need some risperdahl. The idea that someone could despise me that much to be so motivated to destroy my very soul, to make me seem worse than Hitler, say, is far, far worse to accept than my possible mental illness.

It's a common philosophy these days at our perceptions of reality actually creating reality. If that were true and known about, the idea that someone could be using my consciousness, among other people's to create what's been introduced into my mind as some kind of reality is absolutely horrifying on many levels--to me, at least.

So you see, I've considered what you are saying on many different levels, even just "making up my mind" that from now on, I would just approach life as a schizophrenic..... But it just doesn't work, because I'm not.

The other thing is this: there's obviously information I am leaving out, about my past, family, about my body because this isn't the place to go into some of that. But I can say this: I've undergone some testing, a PET scan, nuclear bone scan, some other things, all which proved what I assert before I even understood it.

I will take you up on the U2U, though, so please check your inbox.
Regards and thanks for sharing your story and listening to mine, ever becoming less hypothetical.
Tetra

Perhaps it is being used on everybody and we are "non-compliant" and thus targeted.

This thread was an interesting read. The term 'gang stalking' made me think of a socio-psychological phenomenon called 'group think'. In groups, the collective will of the group often overwhelms the will of the individual. (Think of the news stories about gangs of youths doing what was then referred to as berzerking.)

Where an individual would normally never consider something illegal or immoral, in a group where the majority are feeding off each others energy, egging each other on, it is easy to get caught up in that wave and carried along. "I" is a person no longer worried about the consequences of these actions. "I" did not do this. The group did. There is a perception of anonymity associated with group think in which the individual feels safer committing these acts knowing the blame will be shared at the very least. The sense of self is diminished often leaving the person feeling less like themselves and more like the people they are observing. At this point, the individual begins to create what they believe is the next appropriate step in the sequence of events. In a sense, behaving the way they believe the other members of the group would behave if they were in the same position seeing things from the same perspective. Fearless, powerful, unstoppable. This escalation is repeated and provides the motive force for the group. Eventually the sense of self is squelched in favor of the community experience and safety of perceived anonymity.

Awakening from this condition is often abrupt and psychologically demanding. Psychic breaks, moments of absent sanity, can be experienced. Euphoria, discontent, confusion, and ultimately intense fear when the perceived safety of anonymity and the group dynamic have vanished.

People not behaving like themselves. There is no technology involved, yet it would seem a plausible explanation to the casual observer.

Just a thought...

originally posted by: SystemResistor
Perhaps it is being used on everybody and we are "non-compliant" and thus targeted.

Yes, System, I think you are absolutely correct, and that this has become quite obvious.

I am thinking of a commercial back when I used to watch tv, which was a while ago. It was jewelry or perfume or something, and Julia Roberts was in it….everyone was at an upscale location for a party, dressed to the nines, and such….there were diamond chains attached to everyone's wrists…..

tetra

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Thanks for adding that, Vroom. I have read of this dynamic and "experiment." And it's taken new form now, to give it a more positive, social connotation: the flash mob. But even two people, paired, with certain psychological profiles, in criminology it's recognized that one of them will commit a horrific crime that psychologically he/she would never have done, if not paired with another, that creates this dynamic which makes this possible. It is how crimnology experts agree the "In Cold Blood" murders happened with the two men…..

Thanks so much for reading and participating.
tetra

Yea i still don't understand why people don't get that there are targeted individuals, people have been targeted forever heck the Salem witch trials would fall under this category, it's been happening forever, it does not really mater how it's done the most important thing is trying to find a way to stop it if you are going through this......

originally posted by: King Seesar

Yea i still don't understand why people don't get that there are targeted individuals, people have been targeted forever heck the Salem witch trials would fall under this category, it's been happening forever, it does not really mater how it's done the most important thing is trying to find a way to stop it if you are going through this......

Hey KS: Wondering how you've been doing. You raise a great point with your post. As in, figuring out how it's done is germaine and pivotal to stopping it. One cannot be separated, nor isolated from the other, as they are a natual cause/consequence ratio in the equation of ending what is happening. Also, the importance of how it's done figures into and explains the overwhelming damage it does to the individual being targeted.

But no matter. We both, you and I, know it exists, that its real, what its function in our society is and how in the end, once allowed, means the society and therefore, our humanity, itself, becomes the target…..
This is why this issue is all important to every single one of us, for if you acquiesce to the targeting and removal of basic, human rights of one individual, your neighbor, say, then it's a very short walk up the sidewalk to your own doorstep….

Hope you are well.
tetra

a reply to: ChaosComplex
You told a very poignant story, and used it ChaosComplex, to question the voracity and imply that such ideas are the horrible cause of what happened to your relative.

Please, OP, don't take this as disrespectful. Take it as a display of my confusion. Take it as my insatiable desire to understand everything around me. Take it as my subtle nod to the possibility that these mental 'glitches' may be due to something far more sinister than a simple chemical imbalance...or they may not be. If you like, PM me and I will tell you more details of what I saw and maybe one of us can shed some light on something for the other.

I certainly didn't take it as disrespectful, and gave it a considerable amount of weight and serious thought and consideration. I read the story. I rethought mine. I made a thoughtful reply attendant to all the things you raised there. I sent you that Private Message you invited in this part I quoted. You neither replied on the thread, nor returned by PM.

So, I'm writing again, here. Because the implication was this thread and all the information in it attendant to the circumstances of suffering this either because one is targeted for it, or ensnared in a large web targeting another, or even all of us, regardless or because of anything at all other than the controllers' desire to control….but all this and the facts that back it up, is the reason relatives like yours have total meltdowns that destroy their minds and lives.
Did it occur to you, I wonder, that he really was suffering from this, and that THIS WAS the cause of the meltdown, not the claim of it, or reading about claims of it on the internet or elsewhere, or thinking it was possible in a delusion fed by information in threads like this….

Because it's like knowing that fire burns you, but then you get burned playing with it, and even though everyone knows it burns you if you play with it, no one talks about that. It's just ignored. And when you show up to the emergency room with burns, everyone says you were in the sun too long, or your hands couldn't take all the sandpaper you used on sanding the house you're getting ready to paint, or some such ignorant lunacy. That really is how obvious it is to some of us that suffer from this, and try to talk about it.

And then someone comes along when you DO talk about the fire, and says you're the one starting what's burning people, and you're irresponsible, therefore, and responsible for folks getting burned. But this is the thing everyone forgets about fire, in general: if we'd never discovered it, we wouldn't be here now, alive, to blame anyone for anything….

I thought you of all people, issuing that invitation for a private message that would unconfuse us both and shed light on anything, would reply….
tetra

My apologies, tetra50! This thread was sitting at the bottom of my subscribed threads and I didn't notice anyone replied...

originally posted by: tetra50
I want to thank you for an incredibly insightful, profound, important and what must be incredibly difficult to relive and think about in terms of the ongoing struggle of someone you clearly love , post. I am grateful for your respect, when I could totally understand your reaction, instead, to be anger that people like me feed into your cousin's delusion which became part of his undoing. But I am also grateful for the opportunity to respond to an extremely valid point.

It's certainly a 'touchy' subject, for both those involved directly and indirectly. It's one of the great unknowns to me at this point.

This is the thing. Both schizophrenia and targeted individuals exist. In light of that fact--that is, of course, if you accept that there are targeted individuals, and perhaps you don't, after all--it can be extremely difficult to tell the difference. And obviously, this must be approached on a case by case basis.

I do accept the possibility of targeted individuals. I must admit that I am more well-read on schizophrenia than targeted individuals, and that generally leads me to think a certain way about the subjects. It's a real mind bender (pun sort of intended) to think that our brains and minds can be influenced/controlled from what I would assume is great distances.

In my own case, I've taken at least five Multi-Phasic Minnesota Personality Index I & II tests over the span of twenty five years. I have completed each one with the same clinical depression diagnoses. As I've gotten older, I think once, post traumatic stress disorder was added. I've been a chronic pain patient for the last twenty five years, as well, so clinical depression is a biological consequence of chronic pain, in that living with pain changes the chemical balance in one's brain. The somatic nervous system is irrevocably altered and the dopamine receptors, endorphin production, and serotonin availability for the nerve sheaths in the brain all function differently after years of ongoing pain.

Having said all that, I must also tell you there have been many times I have actually wished I really were just schizophrenic. For one thing, to think that someone had actually thought up, planned and induced certain thoughts in my mind, the thoughts being as horrific as they are, is very hard, brutal, even, to face at all, because it totally destroys my faith in mankind being basically good. The idea that someone could have such evil in their mind, and then the will to induce that in mine....that cruelty is beyond anything I want to contemplate. So you see, it would be far easier for me to think I just need some risperdahl. The idea that someone could despise me that much to be so motivated to destroy my very soul, to make me seem worse than Hitler, say, is far, far worse to accept than my possible mental illness.

It would certainly take an evil person to do that type of thing, and we both know that this world has plenty of evil in it.

It's a common philosophy these days at our perceptions of reality actually creating reality. If that were true and known about, the idea that someone could be using my consciousness, among other people's to create what's been introduced into my mind as some kind of reality is absolutely horrifying on many levels--to me, at least.

Hmmmm...so what you mean is that your consciousness is being used to influence reality as a whole by the things being introduced into your thoughts? That's pretty interesting, and definitely an angle that I hadn't thought of previously. If, in fact, we are creating our own reality through perception (an idea that I whole heatedly believed until my life completely fell apart through no doing of my own) then it would certainly stand to reason that a targeted individual's mind could be influenced and used to affect reality...do you mean on a small scale (personal reality) or would this effect be something bigger? Or maybe I'm misunderstanding what you wrote...either way, very interesting and if you don't mind please do explain that aspect of it all.

So you see, I've considered what you are saying on many different levels, even just "making up my mind" that from now on, I would just approach life as a schizophrenic..... But it just doesn't work, because I'm not.

The other thing is this: there's obviously information I am leaving out, about my past, family, about my body because this isn't the place to go into some of that. But I can say this: I've undergone some testing, a PET scan, nuclear bone scan, some other things, all which proved what I assert before I even understood it.

That last part, which I have placed in bold...do you mean that these tests proved that you are not schizophrenic, or that these tests proved there was something more going on? If you feel comfortable divulging more details maybe a U2U or I can give you my email (which I check far more often then the communications at this site)...this is an extremely interesting topic for me and I would love to go more in depth if that's something you're interested in...

originally posted by: King Seesar

Yea i still don't understand why people don't get that there are targeted individuals, people have been targeted forever heck the Salem witch trials would fall under this category, it's been happening forever, it does not really mater how it's done the most important thing is trying to find a way to stop it if you are going through this......

Seek the Haven. Its is a safe pllace to "rest" surrounded by loved ones

originally posted by: ChaosComplex

Everyone operates their own individual reality tunnel. Reality cannot be defined as one whole singular event. Can they be altered yes. Machines maybe.. people yes.. but then it goes deeper.. sounds spoken word..


They say it takes 3....

edit on 13-9-2014 by Sacri because: juiiiiiiiiicy

a reply to: ChaosComplex
I already sent you that U2U, you first invited. I'm just repeating that, as I'm making sure you got it.
I'd also like to say that's a wonderful signature you have there.

The last, about the physical testing, proved I was enduring what I describe, as there were physical traces left from being mentall hammered with a particular technology. Nothing, as you well know, will prove someone is not a schizophrenic, I don't think….

As to reality being influenced by consciousness and perception, I think it's a pretty common idea, and I mean it in my personal experience, that it affected my own reality. I would never think I was so important as to be influencing anything more than my own little sphere of existence. But what I meant was, if there is any truth to this idea, and it coalesces with the "influence" of things "piped into" my brain, it would be horrible, on any scale, for anyone, myself, included.

There are plenty of descriptions of this technology throughout the thread, sourced. If you still have doubts, I encourage you strongly to take the time to go through the pages and read the links…..

I am open to communication with you, especially since you've said your own life fell apart…..
You know, what many have described here, as well as myself, is that this happened to us, too. And then it got worse, via what's described herein.

Someone I invited to the thread, started reading it, and then messaged me privately he couldn't be involved. What he said to me, I thought, was very wise. He said he had experienced some of what I described here, and found that giving it more attention wasn't the way to deal with it. I certainly understand and respect that. For me, I tried that and many other cognitive approaches….but when you cannot escape being a target, sometimes, there is no other choice than to go public with it, and hope you reach others who may need certain information.
However, having said that, I in no way wish to feed the delusions of mental illness, nor stop anyone from seeking the right kinds of medications and help. But that doesn't apply to everyone.
Sincerely,
tetra50