reply to post by Blue Shift
Human science & human love are both suffering an equally destructive problem, but Love is not the biggest problem.
People are selfish, by nature. Selfish love is a problem, but selfish science/ industrialisation is the biggest problem.
Selfish people make war, rip people off, steal & pursue BS projects which are destructive/ dehumanising, simply to make money. Big cars tempt people
into buying them. Build/ manufacture responsibly,and it won't exacerbate the climate impact, etc, etc. Selfish marketing people use the selfishness
of the average person to sell them crap they don't need, for profit, using the delusion that it makes you a better person if you have more stuff.
Industrialisation has led to the population boom. The natural impact of advanced medicine, technology, infrastructure, logistics & food
production/distribution without equitable distribution of said power and resources is a population explosion. Simple fact. Without clever &
ethically advanced governance of an entire group of people receiving better standards of goods & services, care, etc, then populations will explode,
resources will dwindle, wars will erupt (both by necessity & by design when selfish powerful people make war to secure more power & control of
resources, wealth, etc)
Selfish people also suffer from the delusion that exerting control over others can be taken as being 'Love'.
True love will live in harmony with a family, community, wider social sphere & ecosphere, satisfied even when they don't have much 'stuff'.
Trouble is, as naturally selfish beings, we are easily duped by the suggestion that we 'deserve' more stuff, and are duped further that we must
provide this 'stuff' in order to love & be loved. NB - People tend to have big families in poor countries, simply because there is the (real)
perception that more workers = more income for the family, where less government support is distributed to families. Mostly, we are wired to love
each other, scientific fact. And it can be stated with almost exacting certainty, that if there is a metaphysical sphere beyond this realm of flesh &
bone, then the higher qualities of mind/heart/soul will be those which are valued in that sphere.
Love, is a 'good' thing therefore, being as it is rooted in unselfishness when expressed properly, without delusion, without perversion of intent
toward selfish abstracts.
Love is real, and it is not the problem. Selfish expression of love is part of the problem, but the real major problem is industrialisation without
proper ethical (loving?) management of the results of said industrialisation.
We will sadly destroy ourselves as a race, because we are somehow wired/ programmed by culture & environment to be selfish, more often than we are
unselfish. Humanity is technically 'fallen' (inherently selfish) and thus 'redemption' (resulting in benevolence & beneficence), is the way out
on an individual basis - learning to make willful choices to act unselfishly in as many circumstance as are possible, trusting in that Highest ideal
of a perfect order & harmony with the spheres around & above us.
In terms of the wider community on Earth presently? Wowzer. I think 'apocalypse' makes perfect sense given the evidence to date. We will destroy
ourselves/ our rulers will destroy us, it's just a matter of time - unless we are aided by unselfish advanced humans/beings to create an advanced &
ethical society. Or, by 'God'.
Don't try to say we can ethically manage the outcome of the present scenario? Massive kill-off by TPTB, followed by the establishment of a fourth
reich, comprised elite rulers & slave workers, is pretty much what they seem to be planning. If what exists is broken, then it must in some fashion
be taken down in order to be rebuilt. I would rather some incredibly advanced being does the 'take-down', in order to create a perfect world, as
opposed to TPTB doing it, to create a living hell.
IMHO, 'Someone' is likely to intervene & stop them in their tracks before they get chance.
Call me crazy, I don't care. You seem to think Love is 'wrong' somehow. Without cooperation rooted BOTH in self-preservation & a desire to
procreate/ love/ be loved, we would have no community. Without love (IE - when selfishness completely takes over the governance, as presently),
community will collapse.
Where are we at? And what hope is there? Do the top 1% holders of wealth & resource care about the rest? Not likely. If they did, they would not
be the top 1%
Maybe 1% of the top 1% would care, and try to redress the balance somehow. But that won't save us.