A question for people who are pro-abortion

A fetus is no way a parasite.

parasite (pār'ə-sīt') Pronunciation Key An organism that lives on or in a different kind of organism (the host) from which it gets some or all of its nourishment.
Parasites are generally harmful to their hosts, although the damage they do ranges widely from minor inconvenience to debilitating or fatal disease. .

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The parasite has to be in its host to live, grow, and multiply.

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reply to post by Honor93


All he has to do is sign away his parental rights.

A custodial parent may seek a termination of parental rights for a child who no longer has a relationship with a non-custodial parent. In such cases, the court will typically order a hearing. However, if a non-custodial parent agrees to terminate his/her parental rights, child support obligations will cease.

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reply to post by timetothink

We treat animals better than humans in this world

as much as i disagree, what's so wrong with that ?
no them, no us ... what happened to this 'equality' thing ppl keep talkin' about ?

as for your analogy, how many of those you mentioned were in utero ??
why is living, breathing, human being such a difficult concept for you to understand ?

Originally posted by Charmed707

Originally posted by Honor93

what difference does it make if a woman thinks it's 100% her choice/decision ??

That's a huge part of the abortion issue.

sorry dude, that's a 2-way street no matter how you look at it.

A man's choice only results in the creation of a 'blob of cells' that has no rights. The creation of an 'actual person' that has rights is 100% the result of a woman's choice.

User-generated sites like ATS should have mandatory IQ tests to join.

Dude, your issue isn't with abortion, your issue is not being able to control the outcome of your sexual actions and your relationships.

Here's a little lesson from my book of "Relationships 101". When you make a deposit sans a specific contract stating of the contingencies of that deposit, in agreement with both parties, you don't get to seek "interest" on that deposit. It is considered a gift, not a bill of service with a "payment due."

The moral of the story, know what you're "investing" in.

reply to post by Honor93


What equality thing?

I don't think we are equal to animals and we shouldn't kill our young like animals do.

A fetus IS a living breathing human.....even learn anything about biology?

Originally posted by Charmed707

Originally posted by Honor93

please clarify your thoughts here ... it makes -0- sense.

Pro-choicers frame their argument around the idea that no one has a right to tell a woman what to do with 'her body'.

what 'abortion issue' ?? it is legal and should remain as such.

There are restrictions varying by state. It will always be a controversial issue.

edit on 4/6/2013 by Charmed707 because: (no reason given)

i find your generality offensive, thank you very much.

you're wrong, many pro-choice arguments are framed around the absolute truth that it is the decision of no one other than those involved.
safe and clean has always been a primary goal.

as a woman, i agree, my body, my decision ... however, i accept input from all involved.
have no fear, restrictions soon to be challenged will be struck down.

it is a decided issue and i cannot think of any reason that it should or could be over-turned.
the only thing overturning RvW would accomplish is turning back the clock, nothing more.

abortions were conducted loooong before doctors got involved.
and as asked previously, which do you prefer ?
clean and safe or risky and filthy ??
there are no 'other' options.

reply to post by Honor93


So we can use your argument to stop any and all gun bans?

Why even bother having any laws against anything?

Originally posted by Charmed707

Originally posted by Honor93

making abortion illegal isn't going to stop them from happening, you do realize this don't you ?

Making anything illegal doesn't stop it from happening. You don't have a point.

then what is your point ?
and answer the dang question ... clean and safe or risky and filthy ??
what other options are you offering ?

reply to post by timetothink

A fetus IS a living breathing human.....even learn anything about biology?

LOL!

Funny stuff. 2nd line

Originally posted by Charmed707

Originally posted by Honor93

huh ?? when doesn't an adult woman have a voice in the decision ?
please explain.

Pro-choicers act like a woman who is 'forced' into carrying a child to full-term is somehow being victimized.

it would be, why would you think it wouldn't ?
forcing anyone to perform against their will is victimizing them.

or are you having playground fantasies again ?

Originally posted by timetothink
A fetus is no way a parasite.

parasite (pār'ə-sīt') Pronunciation Key An organism that lives on or in a different kind of organism (the host) from which it gets some or all of its nourishment.

[color=amber]Parasites are generally harmful to their hosts, although the damage they do ranges widely from minor inconvenience to debilitating or fatal disease. .

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The parasite has to be in its host to live, grow, and multiply.

student.biology.arizona.edu...

hahahahaha, at least you got the definition right, now please, explain how that doesn't apply to a 'clump of cells' attached to its host for ALL of its nutrients ??

[color=amber] yeah, uhuh, RH factors
next.

yes, it does and sometimes we get twins, triplets, and more.
so, what's your point again ?

fyi ... in case you get stuck on the 'multiplying' part ... how many times do the 2 cells multiply to make 1 baby ? now, how many more times to make multiples ????
yeah, i think 'babies' cover the entire gamut of 'parasite's' definition, don't you ?

reply to post by Honor93


Multiply means creating offspring....do babies have babies in the womb.....I missed that in science class.

And I guess you choose not to read the part where it says a parasite is a different species than the host.


Use the whole definition not just the parts that fit your agenda.

Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by Honor93

 

All he has to do is sign away his parental rights.

A custodial parent may seek a termination of parental rights for a child who no longer has a relationship with a non-custodial parent. In such cases, the court will typically order a hearing. However, if a non-custodial parent agrees to terminate his/her parental rights, child support obligations will cease.

singleparents.about.com...

edit on 6-4-2013 by timetothink because: (no reason given)

fathers who weren't involved in the decision while pregnant, aren't provided such an option to avert CS later.
on the contrary, men are left to do their own thing until a 'need' arises, sometimes years later.
the 'surprise factor' works well to manipulate them into compliance.
ETA -- this could be classed as one of the first 'shock and awe' psyche operations and it's proven successful beyond their wildest imaginations.

why ? because ppl don't hold THEM accountable.

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Did I say something wrong?

reply to post by Honor93


Surprise or no surprise....when he finds out, he signs away.

Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by Honor93

 

What equality thing?

I don't think we are equal to animals and we shouldn't kill our young like animals do.

A fetus IS a living breathing human.....even learn anything about biology?

don't go there, don't make me step on your toes, again, please ?

either we are all 'animals' or we aren't.
your superiority complex isn't something we share.

a 'fetus' CAN BE a living, breathing human being.
perhaps you'll learn that next semester

Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by Honor93

 

So we can use your argument to stop any and all gun bans?

why and how would it even apply ?

Why even bother having any laws against anything?

less laws is always better
got a question that's relevant ?

Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by Honor93

 

Multiply means creating offspring

only in the Church, only in the Church teachings will you hear such nonsense.

....do babies have babies in the womb.....I missed that in science class.

me too but last i checked, babies in utero would have to copulate first or did you skip that part in science class ??

And I guess you choose not to read the part where it says a parasite is a different species than the host.

nope and it doesn't matter.
besides, considering how the new DNA forms, it is a different species so to speak.
(x and y whereas y is foreign to the system hosting x)

Use the whole definition not just the parts that fit your agenda.

don't get snippy with me just because you can't concede your own errors
what 'agenda' ???
the one of truth, i'll cop to that.

Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by Honor93

 

Surprise or no surprise....when he finds out, he signs away.

it doesn't work that way in real life and i know first hand, do you ?

Charmed707 has a good point, but wrong conclusion.
Its true that its very hypocritical that woman can have an abortion, but she can force a man to pay for a child he never consented to (consent to sex =/= consent to have a child) and which was solely her decision (as she has the last say with the option of abortion).
But the solution to equalise this injustice is not to ban abortion. Its to allow opting out of child support (and any parental rights and duties) until abortion limit has passed (so called financial abortion). Allowing people MORE choice, not less.

Also ask yourself, why is it a big deal if one parent abandons his child, but not a big deal if both parents do it (giving it up for adoption), which is arguably even worse for the child? Seems hypocritical to me. Should we force such parents to pay child support to the child's new caretaker (the state or new parents)?